GOD IS GOING TO DESTROY ALL GOVERNMENTS INCLUDING USA

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Before his ascension to heaven, Jesus gave his disciples clear instructions on how to carry out their ministry, but he did not include any political advice. (Matthew 28:18-20) Hence, his disciples continued to live by the formula that Jesus had provided earlier: “Pay back Caesar’s things to Caesar, but God’s things to God.”—Mark 12:17.

How did that formula help Jesus followers to live in the world but be no part of it? Where did they draw the line as to what things belong to the State, or Caesar, and what things to God?

The apostle Paul viewed participating in politics as stepping across the line. “Paul was willing to use his Roman citizenship to demand the protections of the judicial process due him, but he engaged in no lobbying on the public policy issues of the day,”

What guidelines did Paul give to fellow Christians? The same book adds: “His letters to believers in such important cities as Corinth, Ephesus, and even Rome betrayed no interest in secular political squabbles.” Paul commanded submission to government, but in none of his many letters did he ever detail even one policy for the local church to urge on public institutions. Romans 12:18; 13:1, 5-7

Christians living decades after the death of Paul kept firmly in place the same division between their obligations to God and to the State. They remained respectful toward political powers but refrained from political activities. Though they believed they were obligated to honor the governing authorities, the early Christians did not believe in participating in political affairs.

Some 300 years after the death of Christ, however, things changed. Theologian Charles Villa-Vicencio says: “When the political structures were changed under Constantine, Christians apparently flocked to participate in the civil service and the army and to accept political office.” (Between Christ and Caesar) What was the result? At the end of the fourth century C.E. that blend of religion and politics had become the State religion of the Roman Empire.

Today, many religions that claim to follow Christ continue to encourage their members to participate in politics. Those religions however, are not imitating Christ, nor are they following the example of the first century Christians.
 
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Some 300 years after the death of Christ, however, things changed. Theologian Charles Villa-Vicencio says: “When the political structures were changed under Constantine, Christians apparently flocked to participate in the civil service and the army and to accept political office.” (Between Christ and Caesar) What was the result? At the end of the fourth century C.E. that blend of religion and politics had become the State religion of the Roman Empire.

Today, many religions that claim to follow Christ continue to encourage their members to participate in politics. Those religions however, are not imitating Christ, nor are they following the example of the first century Christians.
There are Christian mechanics, doctors, truck drivers, bankers etc., why can't one have an occupation in politics. Not all have a full time position preaching and praying?

(GW) All God's people here, especially those in the emperor's palace, greet you.
(ESV) All the saints greet you, especially those of Caesar's household.
Phil 4:22
 
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All governments will be eradicated.

Governments today are "incorporated". In short, they're BUSINESSES. They operate under paper and digital currency, all spearheaded by the dollar!

It WILL happen. I'm just doing my job to warn you all. We don't need money and God has shown us this more than any before us, But we still refuse to understand.
 

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Their was a tie I could men of God being in the government but today politics are some corrupt that no one who stays can liv the way God wants them to.
 
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There are Christian mechanics, doctors, truck drivers, bankers etc., why can't one have an occupation in politics. Not all have a full time position preaching and praying?

(GW) All God's people here, especially those in the emperor's palace, greet you.
(ESV) All the saints greet you, especially those of Caesar's household.
Phil 4:22
bad Association spoil useful habits.soon one would get ensnared bye his surroundings
 

p_rehbein

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bad Association spoil useful habits.soon one would get ensnared bye his surroundings
So, you are saying that Politicians DO NOT deserve to be "witnessed to?" Way I see it is, a Christian in Politics has the opportunity to "witness" to other Politicians through word and deed. Just as any other person in any other profession.
 

p_rehbein

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Their was a tie I could men of God being in the government but today politics are some corrupt that no one who stays can liv the way God wants them to.
Are not all things possible with God? Can a person in Business fulfill God's will? How about a person in Banking? How about a person in the Public Education System?
 
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I'm not saying that you can't work in government buildings I'm just saying getting involved in politics voting for the president as well as involving our selves in war then we are dwindling our fingers in Satan's cup.jesus said I am no part of this world and my followers are no part of this world in our war is not with flesh and blood but with spirit creatures.and he also said whoever makes a friend of the world makes in enemy of God.I just learned this and I think it interesting
 

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I suggest you keep learning.............:) just saying...........couldn't disagree more.......

there are vast amounts of Scripture concerning the Bible and Government
 
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So, you are saying that Politicians DO NOT deserve to be "witnessed to?" Way I see it is, a Christian Politics has the opportunity to "witness" to other Politicians through word and deed. Just as any other person in any other profession.
I never said that they weren't permissible to be witness to.as regards to your comment is it ok for someone 2 go to a club where drunkards an adulterous are present and dance with them an associate with them or even drink or eat at the same table as them. you would be in contradiction with one's thought of why you would even be there in the first place.

how would you explain that you're there because you want to witness them about God. do you think that they would be willing to hear what you had to say or laugh at you because of their either drug use or intoxication that clouds the mind where Satan is able to get it?
first off Jesus said to teach everyone that has an ear that is willing to listen but he showed us the way of how to go about it.what I'm saying to you is in your personal life, are you able to worship God and the devil at the same time.
 
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Sense Satan is in control of all the earthly governments. To be a part of something that Gods going to destroy would that not also make you a sharer in it? We all have jobs weather the be gas stations where you have to sell tobacco or alcohol but your not forcing them to come into the store and buy it.Government and religion don't go hand to hand.The only ruler that you should vote for is God not earthly man that can't even direct his own step
 
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There is no such thing as a christian politics
God says you CAN not slave for 2 masters either you will hate one or love the other
 

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There is no such thing as a christian politics
God says you CAN not slave for 2 masters either you will hate one or love the other

what? goodness............sigh.............
 

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The Bible and Government
Biblical Principles: Basis for America's Laws
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BIBLE
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[TD="width: 174, bgcolor: transparent"] Sovereign authority of God, not sovereignty of the state, or sovereignty of man
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[TD="bgcolor: transparent"] Mayflower Compact, Declaration, Constitution, currency, oaths, mention of God in all 50 state constitutions, Pledge of Allegiance
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[TD="bgcolor: transparent"] Ex. 18:16, 20:3, Dt. 10:20, 2 Chron. 7:14, Ps. 83:18, 91:2, Isa. 9:6-7, Dan. 4:32, Jn. 19:11, Acts 5:29, Rom. 13:1, Col. 1:15-20, 1 Tim. 6:15
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[TD="bgcolor: transparent"] Ex. 20:1-17, Dt. 30:19, Ps. 119: 142-152, Pr. 14:34, Isa. 5:20-21, Jn. 10:10, Rom. 2:15, Heb. 13:8
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[TD="width: 174, bgcolor: transparent"] Rule of law rather than authority of man
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[TD="width: 120, bgcolor: transparent"] Biblical capitalism not Darwinian capitalism (service and fair play over strict survival of the fittest)
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[TD="width: 120, bgcolor: transparent"] Servanthood not political power
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P_rehbein,
How dare you to bring in the historical aspect into such a 'spiritual' subject..tsk, tsk.


(Ok, all you hyper types, that was tongue-in cheek).
 
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p_rehbein

Just because governments (Not just the US) used God's moral compass, Does not give it right to carry out any of God's judicial things.

A man that is atheist may have godly morals, but God would not appoint him over the his congregation.

So what your saying is that it is OK to serve Satan and His rulership and his governing body?

We are advise to follow the laws of the land,to the extent that it does not interfere with our bible principles.

I will Give some SCRIPTURES that you can understand where I'm coming from.

CLEARLY JESUS DOES NOT RULE OVER EARTH, THEN WHO?
Jesus Said at (John 14:30) I will not speak with you much more, for the ruler of the world is coming, and he has no hold on me.


WHILE JESUS WAS BEING TEMPTED, LETS TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT WAS OFFERED TO HIM?

(Mr 1:12,13)And immediately the spirit impelled him to go into the wilderness. So he continued in the wilderness for 40 days, being tempted by Satan. He was with the wild beasts, but the angels were ministering to him

(Matthew 4:8, 9) Again the Devil took him along to an unusually high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. And he said to him: “All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me.

We dont say Kingdoms really in our day and age but do call them our governments. Those scriptures showed that Satan was in control of them and all their Glory and he was going to give them to Jesus But he refused. So we can see that Satan is in control of the inhabited earth because he is misleading it. If it wasn't HIS to give He would have never offered it. Because it would have been pointless.

Rev 12:9 the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth

(Daniel 2:44) “In the days of those kings (
presidents) the God of heaven will set up a kingdom (Government)that will never be destroyed. And this kingdom (which is in heaven) will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever.

But why crush are bible faced Law biding Kingdom or Government? Because Satan is in control of all of them, look at what worldly man has done with its power and greed. Its plain shameful. God does not approve of there Bloodshed.

Jesus said:(Matthew 6:33) “Keep on, then, seeking first the Kingdom (Gods Government) and his righteousness, and all these other things will be added to you

Because only Gods government has righteousness
. Not Satan or man that has a treacherous heart.