GOD IS GOING TO DESTROY ALL GOVERNMENTS INCLUDING USA
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I have read the Bible. I am not too sure what you are trying to imply about me here brother. Lol, I am a tad bit confused over this comment.
I see we agree that the earth must be destroyed one day. Perhaps you disagree with the second point about how God sets up kings and removes them. I base the statement off the Bible. So here you go, perhaps this will help clear up any misunderstanding brother Rehbein.
Daniel 2:20-21
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his: [SUP]21 [/SUP]And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:
I see we agree that the earth must be destroyed one day. Perhaps you disagree with the second point about how God sets up kings and removes them. I base the statement off the Bible. So here you go, perhaps this will help clear up any misunderstanding brother Rehbein.
Daniel 2:20-21
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his: [SUP]21 [/SUP]And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:
yogosans14
Thats funny you just ask me that same question in my message box???
I told you I never said I was one
One can share beliefs
I don't go to church
I read on my own
but yes I have talk to Jehovah witnesses
But that does not make me one, if I share views of any religion
So here again I ask of you, what christian sect are you from? and what does it matter if we all believe in christ and God?
If you wanted you can refer me to as a Nontrinitarianism but im on the fence with that. It all takes time
Thats funny you just ask me that same question in my message box???
I told you I never said I was one
One can share beliefs
I don't go to church
I read on my own
but yes I have talk to Jehovah witnesses
But that does not make me one, if I share views of any religion
So here again I ask of you, what christian sect are you from? and what does it matter if we all believe in christ and God?
If you wanted you can refer me to as a Nontrinitarianism but im on the fence with that. It all takes time
B
[h=1]How should a Christian view politics?[/h]
Question: "How should a Christian view politics?"
Answer: If there is anything that will spark a spontaneous debate, if not an outright argument, it is a discussion involving politics—even among believers. As followers of Christ, what should be our attitude and our involvement with politics? It has been said that “religion and politics don’t mix.” But is that really true? Can we have political views outside the considerations of our Christian faith? The answer is no, we cannot. The Bible gives us two truths regarding our stance towards politics and government.
The first truth is that the will of God permeates and supersedes every aspect of life. It is God’s will that takes precedence over everything and everyone (Matthew 6:33). God’s plans and purposes are fixed, and His will is inviolable. What He has purposed, He will bring to pass, and no government can thwart His will (Daniel 4:34-35). In fact, it is God who “sets up kings and deposes them” (Daniel 2:21) because “the Most High is sovereign over the kingdoms of men and gives them to anyone he wishes” (Daniel 4:17). A clear understanding of this truth will help us to see that politics is merely a method God uses to accomplish His will. Even though evil men abuse their political power, meaning it for evil, God means it for good, working “all things together for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose” (Romans 8:28).
Second, we must grasp the fact that our government cannot save us! Only God can. We never read in the New Testament of Jesus or any of the apostles expending any time or energy schooling believers on how to reform the pagan world of its idolatrous, immoral, and corrupt practices via the government. The apostles never called for believers to demonstrate civil disobedience to protest the Roman Empire's unjust laws or brutal schemes. Instead, the apostles commanded the first-century Christians, as well as us today, to proclaim the gospel and live lives that give clear evidence to the gospel’s transforming power.
There is no doubt that our responsibility to government is to obey the laws and be good citizens (Romans 13:1-2). God has established all authority, and He does so for our benefit, “to commend those who do right” (1 Peter 2:13-15). Paul tells us in Romans 13:1-8 that it is the government’s responsibility to rule in authority over us—hopefully for our good—to collect taxes, and to keep the peace. Where we have a voice and can elect our leaders, we should exercise that right by voting for those whose views most closely parallel our own.
One of Satan’s grandest deceptions is that we can rest our hope for cultural morality and godly living in politicians and governmental officials. A nation’s hope for change is not to be found in any country’s ruling class. The church has made a mistake if it thinks that it is the job of politicians to defend, to advance, and to guard biblical truths and Christian values.
The church’s unique, God-given purpose does not lie in political activism. Nowhere in Scripture do we have the directive to spend our energy, our time, or our money in governmental affairs. Our mission lies not in changing the nation through political reform, but in changing hearts through the Word of God. When believers think the growth and influence of Christ can somehow be allied with government policy, they corrupt the mission of the church. Our Christian mandate is to spread the gospel of Christ and to preach against the sins of our time. Only as the hearts of individuals in a culture are changed by Christ will the culture begin to reflect that change.
Believers throughout the ages have lived, and even flourished, under antagonistic, repressive, pagan governments. This was especially true of the first-century believers who, under merciless political regimes, sustained their faith under immense cultural stress. They understood that it was they, not their governments, who were the light of the world and the salt of the earth. They adhered to Paul’s teaching to obey their governing authorities, even to honor, respect, and pray for them (Romans 13:1-8). More importantly, they understood that, as believers, their hope resided in the protection that only God supplies. The same holds true for us today. When we follow the teachings of the Scriptures, we become the light of the world as God has intended for us to be (Matthew 5:16).
Political entities are not the savior of the world. The salvation for all mankind has been manifested in Jesus Christ. God knew that our world needed saving long before any national government was ever founded. He demonstrated to the world that redemption could not be accomplished through the power of man, his economic strength, his military might, or his politics. Peace of mind, contentment, hope and joy—and the salvation of mankind—is accomplished only through His work of faith, love, and grace.
Recommended Resources: Politics - According to the Bible: A Comprehensive Resource for Understanding Modern Political Issues in Light of Scripture by Wayn
Answer: If there is anything that will spark a spontaneous debate, if not an outright argument, it is a discussion involving politics—even among believers. As followers of Christ, what should be our attitude and our involvement with politics? It has been said that “religion and politics don’t mix.” But is that really true? Can we have political views outside the considerations of our Christian faith? The answer is no, we cannot. The Bible gives us two truths regarding our stance towards politics and government.
The first truth is that the will of God permeates and supersedes every aspect of life. It is God’s will that takes precedence over everything and everyone (Matthew 6:33). God’s plans and purposes are fixed, and His will is inviolable. What He has purposed, He will bring to pass, and no government can thwart His will (Daniel 4:34-35). In fact, it is God who “sets up kings and deposes them” (Daniel 2:21) because “the Most High is sovereign over the kingdoms of men and gives them to anyone he wishes” (Daniel 4:17). A clear understanding of this truth will help us to see that politics is merely a method God uses to accomplish His will. Even though evil men abuse their political power, meaning it for evil, God means it for good, working “all things together for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose” (Romans 8:28).
Second, we must grasp the fact that our government cannot save us! Only God can. We never read in the New Testament of Jesus or any of the apostles expending any time or energy schooling believers on how to reform the pagan world of its idolatrous, immoral, and corrupt practices via the government. The apostles never called for believers to demonstrate civil disobedience to protest the Roman Empire's unjust laws or brutal schemes. Instead, the apostles commanded the first-century Christians, as well as us today, to proclaim the gospel and live lives that give clear evidence to the gospel’s transforming power.
There is no doubt that our responsibility to government is to obey the laws and be good citizens (Romans 13:1-2). God has established all authority, and He does so for our benefit, “to commend those who do right” (1 Peter 2:13-15). Paul tells us in Romans 13:1-8 that it is the government’s responsibility to rule in authority over us—hopefully for our good—to collect taxes, and to keep the peace. Where we have a voice and can elect our leaders, we should exercise that right by voting for those whose views most closely parallel our own.
One of Satan’s grandest deceptions is that we can rest our hope for cultural morality and godly living in politicians and governmental officials. A nation’s hope for change is not to be found in any country’s ruling class. The church has made a mistake if it thinks that it is the job of politicians to defend, to advance, and to guard biblical truths and Christian values.
The church’s unique, God-given purpose does not lie in political activism. Nowhere in Scripture do we have the directive to spend our energy, our time, or our money in governmental affairs. Our mission lies not in changing the nation through political reform, but in changing hearts through the Word of God. When believers think the growth and influence of Christ can somehow be allied with government policy, they corrupt the mission of the church. Our Christian mandate is to spread the gospel of Christ and to preach against the sins of our time. Only as the hearts of individuals in a culture are changed by Christ will the culture begin to reflect that change.
Believers throughout the ages have lived, and even flourished, under antagonistic, repressive, pagan governments. This was especially true of the first-century believers who, under merciless political regimes, sustained their faith under immense cultural stress. They understood that it was they, not their governments, who were the light of the world and the salt of the earth. They adhered to Paul’s teaching to obey their governing authorities, even to honor, respect, and pray for them (Romans 13:1-8). More importantly, they understood that, as believers, their hope resided in the protection that only God supplies. The same holds true for us today. When we follow the teachings of the Scriptures, we become the light of the world as God has intended for us to be (Matthew 5:16).
Political entities are not the savior of the world. The salvation for all mankind has been manifested in Jesus Christ. God knew that our world needed saving long before any national government was ever founded. He demonstrated to the world that redemption could not be accomplished through the power of man, his economic strength, his military might, or his politics. Peace of mind, contentment, hope and joy—and the salvation of mankind—is accomplished only through His work of faith, love, and grace.
Recommended Resources: Politics - According to the Bible: A Comprehensive Resource for Understanding Modern Political Issues in Light of Scripture by Wayn
I do not want you to be confused, so let me be clear. Reading your comments here, it is painfully clear that your understanding of Scripture is sorely lacking. So much so, that you should spend as much time as possible reading and learning, and not try to teach others of Scripture........
Additionally, I need to be sure you are not confused about another statement you made.......concerning Nontrinitarianism
This statement reveals that you deny the Holy Trinity. If so, then you are not my Brother in Christ. Not being mean, simply clarifying so there will be no misunderstanding.
To deny the Holy Trinity is to:
1) Deny the Deity of Christ
2) If you deny the Deity of Christ, you deny Christ
3) If you deny Christ, you deny God
4) To deny the Holy Spirit
My brothers and sisters in Christ proclaim the Holy Trinity, the Deity of Christ, and the Holy Spirit.......God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.......they are my brothers and sisters in Christ.
(again, not to be mean, just to be clear)
Additionally, I need to be sure you are not confused about another statement you made.......concerning Nontrinitarianism
This statement reveals that you deny the Holy Trinity. If so, then you are not my Brother in Christ. Not being mean, simply clarifying so there will be no misunderstanding.
To deny the Holy Trinity is to:
1) Deny the Deity of Christ
2) If you deny the Deity of Christ, you deny Christ
3) If you deny Christ, you deny God
4) To deny the Holy Spirit
My brothers and sisters in Christ proclaim the Holy Trinity, the Deity of Christ, and the Holy Spirit.......God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.......they are my brothers and sisters in Christ.
(again, not to be mean, just to be clear)
J
Absolutely, Christians in all walks. But one of things about the concept of some politics of Christianity, which has led to much historical abuse at the hands of men and devils, is that Jesus Christ didn't spend five minutes in scripture on the politics of His day. The gospel is, bottom line, not about the kingdoms of the world, but the eternal, spiritual kingdom of God, about righting souls, not righting a world system, a system already written down for destruction. I never like seeing Jesus Christ dragged into all the muck of the affairs of vain men He, Himself, never waded in, either. And if souls were right, the world would follow.