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prove-all · Aug 16, 2014

Re: one law for all

Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man
against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?

anyone who believes in Jesus name I call my brothers, or sisters.

Genesis 25:23 (KJV)
And the Lord said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb,
and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels;
and the one people shall be stronger than the other people;
and the elder shall serve the younger.

two different peoples have been fighting over the laws for a long time.

Proverbs 4:2 (KJV)
For I give you good doctrine, forsake ye not my law.

Proverbs 1:8 (KJV)
My son, hear the instruction of thy father, and forsake not the law of thy mother:

Proverbs 4:6 (KJV)
Forsake her not, and she shall preserve thee: love her, and she shall keep thee.

Proverbs 6:20 (KJV)
My son, keep thy father's commandment, and forsake not the law of thy mother:

Psalms 89:30 (KJV)
If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments;

Proverbs 28:4 (KJV)
They that forsake the law praise the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them.

Job 20:13 (KJV)
Though he spare it, and forsake it not; but keep it still within his mouth:

Psalms 27:10 (KJV)
When my father and my mother forsake me, then the Lord will take me up.

Psalms 119:53 (KJV)
Horror hath taken hold upon me because of the wicked that forsake thy law.

12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God,
(even) to them that believe on his name:

God says without the law you can still become a son of God, - but-

there is blessings and promises given who follow the law like,

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so,
he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:
but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

“Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them,

The secret things belong unto the Lord our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us
and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

13If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day;
14Then shalt thou delight thyself in the Lord; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth,

Luke 1:71
That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;
To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;

And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel;
and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations,
neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

BradC · Aug 16, 2014

Scuba said:

You have to discern the Lord's body and those who follow after righteousness by faith through the grace of God and not through liberalism, legalism or through the letter of the law.

Scuba · Aug 16, 2014

BradC said:

Same sex marriage is based on love and love is the greatest of all. Is not love foundational for the body of Christ?

prove-all · Aug 16, 2014

same sex mariage leads to the same sex having sex.

God calls this an abonamation and bible says they will not see the kingdom.

It is so againest the family God wants to make for Himself and his values.

now if we loved them we would warn them to repent, and change, not go along with it.

that is why we are where we are at in this country.

a little leven has spoiled the whole batch

Scuba · Aug 17, 2014

prove-all said:

That's my point. I'm told that I separate myself from the body of Christ when I honor the seventh day. They say I put myself in a place where I have a hard time finding fellowship because I'm not following the body of Christ. To me, the body of Christ is not built on belief in who Jesus is alone nor is it built on an undefined love, but rather, the body of Christ is build on who Jesus is and following the Father's will as taught by Jesus. Jesus did not do away with the seventh day Sabbath nor did He say same sex is okay. If the, so called, body of Christ is promoting same sex relations and honoring Sunday as the Lord's day in place of the seventh day they are not the true body of Christ.

Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven".

BradC · Aug 17, 2014

Scuba said:

ALL same sex relationships are based upon inordinate affections (pathos), which is depraved passion of the flesh that rules in the heart and imaginations of the mind and is expressed, acted out and given place to through the members of the physical body (Col 3:5) and has nothing to do with the love of God (agapao) or the kind of love that is established between a man and a woman in marriage or the marriage bed (Eph 5:25). If you understand even a little of this post, assuming you have the Spirit, then you have an answer to your own question.
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Scuba · Aug 17, 2014

BradC said:

Who cares why homosexuals do what they do. My concern is what the, so called, body of Christ is doing.

Presbyterians vote to allow gay marriage
Presbyterians vote to allow gay marriage | Religion News Service

Presbyterians Approve Ordination of Gay People http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/11/us/11presbyterian.html?_r=0

Episcopal Church Approves Gay Couples' Same-Sex Blessings
Episcopal Church Approves Gay Couples' Same-Sex Blessings

Episcopal Church Vote Favors Gay Ordination
Episcopal Church Vote Favors Gay Ordination | Gleanings | ChristianityToday.com

Sunday as the Lord's day.
Catechism of the Catholic Church - The third commandment

The Sabbath is not even the third commandment.

If we don't follow the body of Christ we will have a hard time finding fellowship. Oh well!

BradC · Aug 17, 2014

Scuba said:

You brought it up and you have no discernment as to the body of Christ, if you did, you would not have the understanding or bitterness you have in your heart. You are a believer / priest, so go and pray and ask God to reveal to you what is in your heart that is not of Him. Don't get mad at me, just go do it, God is faithful, unless you think otherwise.

Scuba · Aug 17, 2014

BradC said:

Mad!!! Who said anything about being mad? Didn't put words or emotions in my mouth to make yourself seem right.

Fishbait · Aug 17, 2014

Scuba said:

We have peace with God by trusting in the finished work of Christ alone. Add anything to that and you have fallen into a false gospel. You do not have peace with God by trusting in Christ and by being circumcised, or by trusting in Christ and 'keeping' the Feast of Weeks. Add anything to the work of Christ, and you lose the work of Christ.

Scuba · Aug 18, 2014

Scuba said:

Who cares why homosexuals do what they do. My concern is what the, so called, body of Christ is doing.

Presbyterians vote to allow gay marriage
Presbyterians vote to allow gay marriage | Religion News Service

Presbyterians Approve Ordination of Gay People http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/11/us/11presbyterian.html?_r=0

Episcopal Church Approves Gay Couples' Same-Sex Blessings
Episcopal Church Approves Gay Couples' Same-Sex Blessings

Episcopal Church Vote Favors Gay Ordination
Episcopal Church Vote Favors Gay Ordination | Gleanings | ChristianityToday.com

Sunday as the Lord's day.
Catechism of the Catholic Church - The third commandment

The Sabbath is not even the third commandment.

If we don't follow the body of Christ we will have a hard time finding fellowship. Oh well!

Don't let this sneak by nor sweep it under the rug.

prove-all · Aug 18, 2014

And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it:
God is the same yesterday, today and forever.

And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another,
shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

-the really pretty covent, God can not lie.

And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that
I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature.

-in the wilderness before mount sinia

4Then said the Lord unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you;
and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day,

that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.
“How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?(27-30)

-This incident happened prior to the giving of the Ten Commandments.

a gift: “See, for that the [Eternal]hath given you the sabbath …”

Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

- the ten commandents covenent exodus20-24

19:8And all the people answered together, and said, All that the Lord hath spoken we will do.
1And God spake all these words, saying, _

8Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God:
11For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is,
and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

- You read of the actual making of the Old Covenant,
and sealing it with blood, in (Exodus 24:4-8).

And notice it concludes with the words,
8“the covenant, which the Lord hath made with you ….”

to the Ten Commandment law, God added no more (Deuteronomy 5:22).

- It was then already made..., completed..., done deal.

22These words the Lord spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire,
of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more.
And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.
-Any other law, or covenant,coming later, is no part of it,
but a separate law or covenant. Paul tells us

“Though it be but a man’s covenant, yet if it be confirmed,
no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto” (Galatians 3:15)

- Once a covenant is signed, sealed, or ratified,
confirmed—in force,it cannot be added to or taken away from.
The Ten Commandments law was complete, God added no more or taken away..

prove-all · Aug 18, 2014

Re: Gods covenents

the Sabbath covenent and Holy days covent
are seperate from the ten commandments.

- the sabbath covenant

a seperate covenent apart from the ten commandents
and is a forever binding covent between his chosen people.

13Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep:
for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations;
that (ye may know) that I am the Lord that doth (sanctify you).

16Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, (to observe)
(the sabbath) throughout their generations, for (a perpetual) (covenant).

17“It is (a sign) between me and the children of Israel (for ever):
for in six days the [Eternal] made heaven and earth, and on
the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed” similar to Exodus 20:11.

Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout
your generations that ye may know that I am the [Eternal] that doth sanctify you”(Exodus 31:13)

“Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them,
that they might know that I am the [Eternal] that sanctify them.

But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness: they walked not in my statutes,
and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them;
and my sabbaths they greatly polluted:then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them
in the wilderness, to consume them”(Ezekiel 20:12-13).

“If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day;
and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the [Eternal],honourable;
and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways,nor finding thine own pleasure,
nor speaking thine own words”(Isaiah 58:13)

“Then shalt thou delight thyself in the [Eternal];
and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth,
and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father:
for the mouth of the [Eternal] hath spoken it”

Which the Lord commanded to be given them of the children of Israel,
in the day that he anointed them, by a statute for ever throughout their generations.

Thy name, O Lord, endureth for ever; and thy memorial, O Lord, throughout all generations.
And thou shalt anoint them, as thou didst anoint their father, that they
may minister unto me in the priest's office: for their anointing shall surely
be an everlasting priesthood throughout their generations.

this prophecy is dual. It was actually written down for the people of our day (Ezekiel 29:21; 33:33).

God promises when an individual keeps His Sabbath day holy:He shall live in them.

the tribe of Judah,the responsibility of preserving the knowledge of the correct day
1What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
2Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

Mac4Yuma · Aug 19, 2014

Scuba said:

I thinking out loud I feel that many just do not want to work at being a Christian but they like and want to be a Christian so they come up with ways to be one without working to be one. I think I said that correctly.
Mac.

Mac4Yuma · Aug 19, 2014

The subject title of "give me proof" seems strange because the Bible tells the reader to check out ever thing and it does not say to ask someone to prove something for them. Christians are to work at being a Christian...
This is a quick reply to the forum here and not to a person but to all.
Mac.

Kerry · Aug 19, 2014

Proof follows faith. there is no proof without faith.

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