The new covenant with Christ Jesus

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Gal.5:9-10 "...you turn back to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage? You observe, days, and months and seasons and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have labored for you in vain." ("DAYS"that covers it all). Col2:11,-16 tells us ,the physical "requirements" are replaces with the spiritual ones. Spirit baptism, spiritual retreats, when and where ever we want, replace the "required" days. SO, col.2:16"Let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, v.17"Which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance in of Christ." Rom.14:13"Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother's way." v.17"For the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit." v.20 "...All things are indeed are pure, but it is evil for the man who eats with offense." I will look for more verse to show our freedom in Christ. Love Hoffco
It appears that we are thinking the same way in relation to my post #258. Self works cannot be not holy, God's works are holy and calls us into His rest, ceasing from our own works. God bless
 
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I will go fix our big tent we use for our overnighters with the teens. They love it. the girls had it this pass Sun. night the boys want it soon. Pray ,NOW, we are in troubled waters over leadership. Love to all,Hoffco
 
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It appears that we are thinking the same way in relation to my post #258. Self works cannot be not holy, God's works are holy and calls us into His rest, ceasing from our own works. God bless
You are RIGHT in this point of doing what pleases God , which is to be done every day. I would add, any work I do can be pleasing to God, if it is done in a holy manor. So all things I do, can be pleasing to God or not pleasing to God, all depends on my heart motive and my holy actions. A wink of my eye can be holy or evil, depends on the SITUATION. Love Hoffco
 
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Are you speaking of resting from works to save ourselves?
Did the HOLY SPIRIT teach you that laying down one's life means resting?

If your answer is yes once again, then it means i am just talking to a kid who loves to play, even on the day of Sabbath, ignorant to his or her MASTER's voice.
 

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FYI: "law" in Ac 24:13-14 refers to the Pentateuch, not the Mosaic law.

there is the problem right there, you do not respect Gods covents, and call them came from Moses

and do not Honor Gods Holy things.
 
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Friends of the same faith, please allow the HOLY SPIRIT to remind and stir up our memory.

In the Gospel JESUS violated the Sabbath according to the Law of Moses and the Pharisees who keep them are witness to this and that is why being in the flesh/carnal and not spiritual, they opposed HIM. JESUS was doing things SPIRIT/spiritually and as the LORD over/of the Sabbath. This means, HE owns the Sabbath and whatever HE does on that day is just and fair in sight of GOD, who is well pleased with HIM from the beginning, introducing HIM to HIS disciples. They are ones who were inspired by the HOLY SPIRIT to write all this down for our witnessing.

JESUS also quoted others who violate the Sabbath that the Pharisees ignore and just pick on one individuals. They are the priest, King David and they themselves who take their priced possession to water. The MESSIAH was establishing a New Covenant of practices to be practiced by those who believe/have faith in HIM, who have been born of the SPIRIT and have spiritual understanding to words of spirit and life of JESUS.

Obey the New Covenant Christian, so that the righteousness requirement of the Law and the Prophets shall be fulfilled in you. No need to look back and delight in what flesh/carnal practiced and have failed in the sight of GOD and not man, that which was given to Moses before, that which was also Spiritual.

Moses said this before he slept, to the congregation of Israel about a Prophet to come among them.

"You all will have to listen to HIM. If anyone does not, GOD will require of them."
 
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When researching all I could find about the miracles of Messiah, it became obvious how He used them to put the Pharisees in their place while upholding the Commandments of Almighty. We need to realize, for as long as man has been here, man has tried relentlessly to rule over other men. We also need to look at our own hearts to see who sits on the throne within us.

Messiah was perfect, and He kept the Father's Torah perfectly, including Sabbath. If He hadn't, His sacrifice could not have been spotless and acceptable.
[h=1]Matthew 11:30 (KJV)[/h] [SUP]30 [/SUP]For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

(a yoke simply means, teachings, or what the teacher allows or forbids/ bind or loose)
 
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Matthew 11:30 (KJV) [SUP]30 [/SUP]For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

(a yoke simply means, teachings, or what the teacher allows or forbids/ bind or loose)
I like to take what scripture says and apply it to the world God gives us to live in. Ir we take Christ into our family, we support each other, we have fun together, we build each other up, it is easy. If we don't, we bicker and fight, we find fault and judge, it is hard. It even works for our driving our car, if we go by the rules of the road we avoid accidents usually. If we express joy of the Lord, confidence in the life God gives us, and accept the things we have to accept that are hard and make the best of them like Daniel did when he had to be exiled in Babylon, life still becomes the best it can be.
 
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We must keep in mind that Jesus was made a man UNDER the law of the Old Testament and have to keep it, perfectly, and He did; Then Jesus prepare his disciple for the new Covenant which would be inaugurated by the Holy Spirit's teaching them the new and reminding them of the stories, parables, that Jesus used to introduce them to the new ways of the New Cov.. Jesus told them, the new would not fit into the old. The rest of the New Testament tells us how radically different is the New Cov.. This is not taught by some of us who hang so hard onto the old ways. You are sinning greatly against the new Cov.. Jesus personally appeared to Paul and personally taught Paul. the New Cov. We MUST listen to the changes in the New Cov . in the New Testament. Love Hoffco
 
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We must keep in mind that Jesus was made a man UNDER the law of the Old Testament and have to keep it, perfectly, and He did; Then Jesus prepare his disciple for the new Covenant which would be inaugurated by the Holy Spirit's teaching them the new and reminding them of the stories, parables, that Jesus used to introduce them to the new ways of the New Cov.. Jesus told them, the new would not fit into the old. The rest of the New Testament tells us how radically different is the New Cov.. This is not taught by some of us who hang so hard onto the old ways. You are sinning greatly against the new Cov.. Jesus personally appeared to Paul and personally taught Paul. the New Cov. We MUST listen to the changes in the New Cov . in the New Testament. Love Hoffco
What you describe is true in part, yet somewhat incomplete. It is very true the the new will not fit into the old. When Jesus described that scenario, using wine as the example, He was teaching that the old cannot be perfected by adding the new to it. Nevertheless, the old can be incorporated into the new. If the old wineskin is already expanded to its maximum diameter it will break if it has to expand any more. I interject this verse speaking of the new covenant.

Matthew 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took , and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened .

Leaven is like yeast, and wine that is in the process of fermenting is the same as the bread rising. So even though the new cannot make the old perfect, the the old is already fermented, and can be put into a wineskin that is new because it doesn't expand. With that said, it would also be bogus to do that because there would be no purpose because that action doesn't do anything productive if there is no new wine.

To summarize, the Word of God is the wine in the new and the old coming from the One and only Almighty God. In the old days "sourdough" was used as leaven to expand a loaf of bread before baking instead of yeast like we have today. It had been made previously and was kept handy to for making new bread.

John 5:46-47
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?


Even though the new cannot perfect the old covenant, the old covenant containing the words of the Almighty God, can be incorporated into the new covenant without any danger of it bursting. As leaven in bread, so is the Word of God in both the old and the new. The writings of the old covenant were used to prove the validity of the new, and to give us hope through faith.

Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

1 John 2:7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.

2 Timothy 3:16-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
 
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We must keep in mind that Jesus was made a man UNDER the law of the Old Testament and have to keep it, perfectly, and He did; Then Jesus prepare his disciple for the new Covenant which would be inaugurated by the Holy Spirit's teaching them the new and reminding them of the stories, parables, that Jesus used to introduce them to the new ways of the New Cov.. Jesus told them, the new would not fit into the old. The rest of the New Testament tells us how radically different is the New Cov.. This is not taught by some of us who hang so hard onto the old ways. You are sinning greatly against the new Cov.. Jesus personally appeared to Paul and personally taught Paul. the New Cov. We MUST listen to the changes in the New Cov . in the New Testament. Love Hoffco
If we look at Jesus as only new without a Father, telling us that all of the Father must go rather be where Jesus came from, we have danger of getting lost. Jesus had been part of the world created by God and lived in since Noah started new.

Christ talked often of listening to Moses. He explained that law was the same when He said "you have been told" and then He explained what they had been told and how we were to understand and carry those same laws out by what He told them about it "But I tell you". It was the same with salvation and atonement: Christ's blood had worked for atonement and after the crucifixion it worked for salvation.

Mat 27:51-53 Suddenly, the curtain of the sanctuary was split in two from top to bottom; the earth quaked and the rocks were split. The tombs were also opened and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised. And they came out of the tombs after His resurrection, entered the holy city, and appeared to many.

New Testament scripture is written to a world that had only known how God explained Himself before Christ lived as a man, it was new to them and they had to learn the new. We are living in a world where we don't know much about how God created the world, what the eternal truths are, we only know the new. Just as they needed to know the new in the first years after Christ, we need to know the old that has been discounted for many years.
 
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Elin said:
FYI: "law" in Ac 24:13-14 refers to the Pentateuch, not the Mosaic law.
there is the problem right there, you do not respect Gods covents, and call them came from Moses

and do not Honor Gods Holy things.
You'll have to explain how Jesus calling Scripture
"the Law (Pentateuch) and the Prophets" (prophetic books)
is not respecting God's covenants and not honoring God's holy things.
 
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What you describe is true in part, yet somewhat incomplete. It is very true the the new will not fit into the old. When Jesus described that scenario, using wine as the example,
He was teaching that the old cannot be perfected by adding the new to it.
Nevertheless, the old can be incorporated into the new.
That's not Scripture talking, that's just-me talking. . .shoe horning again.

We are not at liberty to "improve" on what Jesus said with our own principles affixed to it
or extraneous meanings imposed on it.
 
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If we look at Jesus as only new without a Father, telling us that all of the Father must go rather be where Jesus came from, we have danger of getting lost. Jesus had been part of the world created by God and lived in since Noah started new.

Christ talked often of listening to Moses. He explained that law was the same when He said "you have been told" and then He explained what they had been told and how we were to understand and carry those same laws out by what He told them about it "But I tell you". It was the same with salvation and atonement: Christ's blood had worked for atonement and after the crucifixion it worked for salvation.

Mat 27:51-53 Suddenly, the curtain of the sanctuary was split in two from top to bottom; the earth quaked and the rocks were split. The tombs were also opened and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised. And they came out of the tombs after His resurrection, entered the holy city, and appeared to many.

New Testament scripture is written to a world that had only known how God explained Himself before Christ lived as a man, it was new to them and they had to learn the new. We are living in a world where we don't know much about how God created the world, what the eternal truths are, we only know the new. Just as they needed to know the new in the first years after Christ, we need to know the old that has been discounted for many years.
Well written and true. Thank you.
 
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What you describe is true in part, yet somewhat incomplete. It is very true the the new will not fit into the old. When Jesus described that scenario, using wine as the example, He was teaching that the old cannot be perfected by adding the new to it. Nevertheless, the old can be incorporated into the new. If the old wineskin is already expanded to its maximum diameter it will break if it has to expand any more. I interject this verse speaking of the new covenant.
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What you describe is true in part, yet somewhat incomplete. It is very true the the new will not fit into the old. When Jesus described that scenario, using wine as the example,
He was teaching that the old cannot be perfected by adding the new to it.
Nevertheless, the old can be incorporated into the new.

Now I will finish my original statement that you didn't quote
If the old wineskin is already expanded to its maximum diameter it will break if it has to expand any more. I interject this verse speaking of the new covenant.



That's not Scripture talking, that's just-me talking. . .shoe horning again.

We are not at liberty to "improve" on what Jesus said with our own principles affixed to it
or extraneous meanings imposed on it.
But we are called to pursue truth and improve via His predestination plan for us by every word that God has ever spoken. One cannot improve on something that is already perfect. The perfect plan of salvation was finalized (the plan, not the enacted procedure) complete before the world began. Take out the first steps that are necessary for the plan to be perfect and what do ya have? As I said, "the old cannot be perfected by adding the new." I will say however, and more emphatically that the old must be part of the new, henceforth making it a complete newness through Christ. Did not Christ say that if we didn't believe the writings of Mose we wouldn't believe His words? Moses recorded God's words, he didn't make up his own theological laws. What I hear from so many is like Jesus entered and taught that we should reject everything from His Father because He's got something new that doesn't mix with His Father's old and worn out principles. I quote scripture to back up what I'm saying and you say "that's not scripture talking?" By the way, I slip on my shoes without a horn. Good day.
 
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Matthew 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took , and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened .

God's leaven is not like the leaven of the Pharisees who distorted the Word of God by adding and subtracting to the original spiritual meanings and principles given. It's all or nothing. You cannot have one thing from God without the rest of what God has given.
 

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You'll have to explain how Jesus calling Scripture
"the Law (Pentateuch) and the Prophets" (prophetic books)
is not respecting God's covenants and not honoring God's holy things.

calling it mosaic law and not

Gods laws that he wrote with his own finger,

does God injustice by saying it came from a man
 
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Elin said:
You'll have to explain how Jesus calling Scripture
"the Law
(Pentateuch) and the Prophets" (prophetic books)
is not respecting God's covenants and not honoring God's holy things.
calling it mosaic law and not

Gods laws that he wrote with his own finger,

does God injustice by saying it came from a man
If you knew the NT, you would know that you are being holier than God
who calls it "the law of Moses" eight times in his NT word alone, including by Jesus.
 
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Assertion without demonstration (of any misinterpretation of the passage, Heb 8:7-13) is without merit.
One might want to read Hebrews 9 to understand what was to set aside in Hebrews 7:18-19 and what would become obsolete Hebrews 8:13. And, of course, to read Hebrews 10 to see which part of the law was changed.
If one notices, the Hebrew writer quoted Jeremiah 31:33 twice which was regarding the new covenant (not new laws) which He will put His laws (not new laws) in His people's heart.
 
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To LEPIDUS, Sorry, you lie, because you don't use the WHOLE "context" of the NEW T.. Paul forbade the keeping of the Sat. sabbath, and all other sabbaths. Do you have a conscience? Or have you seared it so much, it can not speak to your heart anymore? Love Hoffco
Have to question whether Paul wrote against the keeping of the Sabbath when he himself preached and taught the gentiles on the Sabbaths in Acts.
Have to question whether Paul wrote against the Word of God's teaching on Sabbath - it's lawful to do good and the Word of God is the Lord of the Sabbath.
Have to question who is to decide how long man can go without physical rest if not the Creator of man.
Have to ask what kind of love it is to speak against someone one barely knows.