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i get the impression that someone needs something other than their brother's character to talk about.
since he calls biblical principles of compassion toward the disenfranchised "out of context," i got him this:
Top 10 Myths About Immigration
By Leo Anchondo of Justice for Immigrants
since he calls biblical principles of compassion toward the disenfranchised "out of context," i got him this:
Top 10 Myths About Immigration
By Leo Anchondo of Justice for Immigrants
- Immigrants don't pay taxes.
Immigrants pay taxes, in the form of income, property, sales, and taxes at the federal and state level. As far as income tax payments go, sources vary in their accounts, but a range of studies find that immigrants pay between $90 and $140 billion a year in federal, state, and local taxes. Undocumented immigrants pay income taxes as well, as evidenced by the Social Security Administration's "suspense file" (taxes that cannot be matched to workers' names and social security numbers), which grew by $20 billion between 1990 and 1998.
(Source: http://www.immigrationforum.org/about/articles/tax_study.htm) - Immigrants come here to take welfare.
Immigrants come to work and reunite with family members. Immigrant labor force participation is consistently higher than native-born, and immigrant workers make up a larger share of the U.S. labor force (12.4%) than they do the U.S. population (11.5%). Moreover, the ratio between immigrant use of public benefits and the amount of taxes they pay is consistently favorable to the U.S. In one estimate, immigrants earn about $240 billion a year, pay about $90 billion a year in taxes, and use about $5 billion in public benefits. In another cut of the data, immigrant tax payments total $20 to $30 billion more than the amount of government services they use.
(Source: "Questioning Immigration Policy - Can We Afford to Open Our Arms?", Friends Committee on National Legislation Document #G-606-DOM, January 25, 1996. http:404 Not Found - Federation Of American Scientists) - Immigrants send all their money back to their home countries.
In addition to the consumer spending of immigrant households, immigrants and their businesses contribute $162 billion in tax revenue to U.S. federal, state, and local governments. While it is true that immigrants remit billions of dollars a year to their home countries, this is one of the most targeted and effective forms of direct foreign investment.
(Source: http://www.cato.org/research/articles/griswold-020218.html) - Immigrants take jobs and opportunity away from Americans.
The largest wave of immigration to the U.S. since the early 1900s coincided with our lowest national unemployment rate and fastest economic growth. Immigrant entrepreneurs create jobs for U.S. and foreign workers, and foreign-born students allow many U.S. graduate programs to keep their doors open. While there has been no comprehensive study done of immigrant-owned businesses, we have countless examples: in Silicon Valley, companies begun by Chinese and Indian immigrants generated more than $19.5 billion in sales and nearly 73,000 jobs in 2000.
(Source: Richard Vedder, Lowell Gallaway, and Stephen Moore, Immigration and Unemployment: New Evidence, Alexis de Tocqueville Institution, Arlington, VA (Mar. 1994), p. 13.) - Immigrants are a drain on the U.S. economy.
During the 1990s, half of all new workers were foreign-born, filling gaps left by native-born workers in both the high- and low-skill ends of the spectrum. Immigrants fill jobs in key sectors, start their own businesses, and contribute to a thriving economy. The net benefit of immigration to the U.S. is nearly $10 billion annually. As Alan Greenspan points out, 70% of immigrants arrive in prime working age. That means we haven't spent a penny on their education, yet they are transplanted into our workforce and will contribute $500 billion toward our social security system over the next 20 years.
(Source: Andrew Sum, Mykhaylo Trubskyy, Ishwar Khatiwada, et al., Immigrant Workers in the New England Labor Market: Implications for Workforce Development Policy, Center for Labor Market Studies, Northeastern University, Boston, Prepared for the New England Regional Office, the Employment and Training Administration, and the U.S. Department of Labor, Boston, Massachusetts, October 2002. http://www.nupr.neu.edu/11-02/immigration.PDF) - Immigrants don't want to learn English or become Americans.
Within ten years of arrival, more than 75% of immigrants speak English well; moreover, demand for English classes at the adult level far exceeds supply. Greater than 33% of immigrants are naturalized citizens; given increased immigration in the 1990s, this figure will rise as more legal permanent residents become eligible for naturalization in the coming years. The number of immigrants naturalizing spiked sharply after two events: enactment of immigration and welfare reform laws in 1996, and the terrorist attacks in 2001.
(Source: American Immigration Lawyers Association, Myths & Facts in the Immigration Debate", 8/14/03.http://www.aila.org/contentViewer.aspx?bc=17,142#section4)
(Source: Simon Romero and Janet Elder, "Hispanics in the US Report Optimism" New York Times, Aug. 6, 2003) - Today's immigrants are different than those of 100 years ago.
The percentage of the U.S. population that is foreign-born now stands at 11.5%; in the early 20th century it was approximately 15%. Similar to accusations about today's immigrants, those of 100 years ago initially often settled in mono-ethnic neighborhoods, spoke their native languages, and built up newspapers and businesses that catered to their fellow émigrés. They also experienced the same types of discrimination that today's immigrants face, and integrated within American culture at a similar rate. If we view history objectively, we remember that every new wave of immigrants has been met with suspicion and doubt and yet, ultimately, every past wave of immigrants has been vindicated and saluted.
(Source: Census Data: http://www.census.gov/prod/2002pubs/censr-4.pdf) - Most immigrants cross the border illegally.
Around 75% of today's immigrants have legal permanent (immigrant) visas; of the 25% that are undocumented, 40% overstayed temporary (non-immigrant) visas.
(Source: Department of Homeland Security Immigration Statistics | Homeland Security) - Weak U.S. border enforcement has led to high undocumented immigration.
From 1986 to 1998, the Border Patrol's budget increased six-fold and the number of agents stationed on our southwest border doubled to 8,500. The Border Patrol also toughened its enforcement strategy, heavily fortifying typical urban entry points and pushing migrants into dangerous desert areas, in hopes of deterring crossings. Instead, the undocumented immigrant population doubled in that timeframe, to 8 million-despite the legalization of nearly 3 million immigrants after the enactment of the Immigration Reform and Control Act in 1986. Insufficient legal avenues for immigrants to enter the U.S., compared with the number of jobs in need of workers, has significantly contributed to this current conundrum.
(Source: Immigration and Naturalization website:http://www.ncjrs.org/ondcppubs/publications/enforce/border/ins_3.html) - The war on terrorism can be won through immigration restrictions.
No security expert since September 11th, 2001 has said that restrictive immigration measures would have prevented the terrorist attacks-instead, the key is effective use of good intelligence. Most of the 9/11 hijackers were here on legal visas. Since 9/11, the myriad of measures targeting immigrants in the name of national security have netted no terrorism prosecutions. In fact, several of these measures could have the opposite effect and actually make us less safe, as targeted communities of immigrants are afraid to come forward with information.
(Source: Associated Press/Dow Jones Newswires, "US Senate Subcommittee Hears Immigration Testimony", Oct. 17, 2001.)
(Source: Cato Institute: "Don't Blame Immigrants for Terrorism", Daniel Griswold, Assoc. Director of Cato Institute's Center for Trade Policy Studies http://www.cato.org/dailys/10-23-01.html)
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You're not loving your neighbors. That's the point. You're hurting your neighbors and you're hurting the nation you live in. But you're also hurting the nations they come from thru coenabling their undesirable policies and preventing desirable change from occurring. All this, of course, in addition to misapplying scripture.
Obviously it really doesn't matter to us neighbors if hurting us and our nation is your goal or not. We'd just like you to stop doing it.
Obviously it really doesn't matter to us neighbors if hurting us and our nation is your goal or not. We'd just like you to stop doing it.
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Illegal immigrants take jobs from Americans who need them. In fact, they've taken most new job growth created in the U.S. since 2000.
All Employment Growth Since 2000 Went to Immigrants | Center for Immigration Studies
Simultaneously, because their income is so low, illegal immigrants also use far more in direct government benefits, welfare, public education, and population-based services than they pay in taxes.
Cost of Unlawful Immigrants to the U.S. Taxpayers
The High Cost of Cheap Labor | Center for Immigration Studies
^ This is serious as more than 80 welfare programs currently dominate the federal budget to the tune of $1.3 trillion spent in 2010 (see CRS report) on 128 million people in the U.S. and the national debt is set to begin accelerating again. In fact, just the annual interest on the national debt is skyrocketing and by 2020 will exceed ALL annual U.S. military spending.
Within two decades, the national debt and the annual interest which must be paid to creditors to prevent the U.S. from defaulting and crashing the world's economy and markets will be so enormous that there won't be money left over for welfare to any material degree and entitlement spending will be seriously curtailed. Taxes, of course, will also materially increase.
All you're doing Mr. "love your neighbor" is cramming as many millions upon millions of poor illegals into the country as you can before the bow breaks and welfare spending gets replaced by national debt interest payments with entitlement spending (e.g. Social Security and Medicare) seriously impacted as well as public education and all public spending to one degree or another for the majority of Americans. Additionally, you're increasing their future tax burden which is already high. You're hurting them and their families and you're also accelerating the point at which public spending as we know it ends leaving up to 200 million Americans negatively impacted.
This is just a taste. I haven't even delved into the socio part of socio-economics yet but it's late here and I need sleep. Love your neighbor... what a crock. The kind of sweeping irresponsibility people like yourself are engaging in will eventually hurt almost everyone.
All Employment Growth Since 2000 Went to Immigrants | Center for Immigration Studies
Simultaneously, because their income is so low, illegal immigrants also use far more in direct government benefits, welfare, public education, and population-based services than they pay in taxes.
Cost of Unlawful Immigrants to the U.S. Taxpayers
The High Cost of Cheap Labor | Center for Immigration Studies
^ This is serious as more than 80 welfare programs currently dominate the federal budget to the tune of $1.3 trillion spent in 2010 (see CRS report) on 128 million people in the U.S. and the national debt is set to begin accelerating again. In fact, just the annual interest on the national debt is skyrocketing and by 2020 will exceed ALL annual U.S. military spending.
Within two decades, the national debt and the annual interest which must be paid to creditors to prevent the U.S. from defaulting and crashing the world's economy and markets will be so enormous that there won't be money left over for welfare to any material degree and entitlement spending will be seriously curtailed. Taxes, of course, will also materially increase.
All you're doing Mr. "love your neighbor" is cramming as many millions upon millions of poor illegals into the country as you can before the bow breaks and welfare spending gets replaced by national debt interest payments with entitlement spending (e.g. Social Security and Medicare) seriously impacted as well as public education and all public spending to one degree or another for the majority of Americans. Additionally, you're increasing their future tax burden which is already high. You're hurting them and their families and you're also accelerating the point at which public spending as we know it ends leaving up to 200 million Americans negatively impacted.
This is just a taste. I haven't even delved into the socio part of socio-economics yet but it's late here and I need sleep. Love your neighbor... what a crock. The kind of sweeping irresponsibility people like yourself are engaging in will eventually hurt almost everyone.
in other words, the immigrant sector is growing the economy and creating jobs.
this study indicates at least 69% of immigrants are here & working legally, but because of hostile partisan rhetoric, we perceive the majority of the immigrant population to be "illegal"
this study indicates at least 69% of immigrants are here & working legally, but because of hostile partisan rhetoric, we perceive the majority of the immigrant population to be "illegal"
but this isn't the "news" or "politics" section of the forum, it's the BIBLE discussion section, and we are not citizens of this world, but a greater kingdom.
Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no longer stubborn.
For the LORD your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God, who is not partial and takes no bribe. He executes justice for the fatherless and the widow, and loves the sojourner, giving him food and clothing.
Love the sojourner, therefore, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt.
(Deuteronomy 10:16-19)
the children of Israel were in Egypt for 430 years.
430 year residence = sojourner as far as the Word of God is concerned.
i wouldn't dismiss it so quickly if i were you.
America as a nation is barely over half that old -- every one of us, who is not a native American Indian, is a "sojourner"
Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no longer stubborn.
For the LORD your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God, who is not partial and takes no bribe. He executes justice for the fatherless and the widow, and loves the sojourner, giving him food and clothing.
Love the sojourner, therefore, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt.
(Deuteronomy 10:16-19)
the children of Israel were in Egypt for 430 years.
430 year residence = sojourner as far as the Word of God is concerned.
i wouldn't dismiss it so quickly if i were you.
America as a nation is barely over half that old -- every one of us, who is not a native American Indian, is a "sojourner"
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Thus says the Lord of hosts,
Render true judgments, show kindness and mercy to one another, do not oppress the widow, the fatherless, the sojourner, or the poor, and let none of you devise evil against another in your heart.
But they refused to pay attention and turned a stubborn shoulder and stopped their ears that they might not hear. They made their hearts diamond-hard lest they should hear the law and the words that the Lord of hosts had sent by his Spirit through the former prophets.
Therefore great anger came from the Lord of hosts.
(Zechariah 7:9-12)
we should not encourage lawbreaking.
but our attitude toward the "sojourner" in any case should not be hostility, malicious speech & vitriol, but compassion and kindness.
all of us were lawbreakers and enemies of God when He found us.
shall we then 'devise evil against one another?' or love the stranger as ourselves?
love doesn't encourage criminality.
but love covers over all wrongs. love does good to its enemies.
I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me,
I was in prison and you came to visit me.
(Matthew 25:36)
how do we love these people?
Render true judgments, show kindness and mercy to one another, do not oppress the widow, the fatherless, the sojourner, or the poor, and let none of you devise evil against another in your heart.
But they refused to pay attention and turned a stubborn shoulder and stopped their ears that they might not hear. They made their hearts diamond-hard lest they should hear the law and the words that the Lord of hosts had sent by his Spirit through the former prophets.
Therefore great anger came from the Lord of hosts.
(Zechariah 7:9-12)
we should not encourage lawbreaking.
but our attitude toward the "sojourner" in any case should not be hostility, malicious speech & vitriol, but compassion and kindness.
all of us were lawbreakers and enemies of God when He found us.
shall we then 'devise evil against one another?' or love the stranger as ourselves?
love doesn't encourage criminality.
but love covers over all wrongs. love does good to its enemies.
I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me,
I was in prison and you came to visit me.
(Matthew 25:36)
how do we love these people?
It is normal that as human we think about our self first before love the neighbor. It hard to love your neighbor like your self.
We don't love people if they bother us, take our job, doing criminal etc.
But as a christian, the Lord give us a command to love our neighbor. If you only love to the person that is good to you, than what is the different between you in non christian.
Christian have a love, non christian also have a love.
But there is a different. Non christian doesn't have agape love as christian does.
Agape love mean we still love people that taking our job, hate us, or even if they kill us. Stephen love his killer, Jesus love and pray for his killer. That is an evident of the Christianity, agape love.
We don't love people if they bother us, take our job, doing criminal etc.
But as a christian, the Lord give us a command to love our neighbor. If you only love to the person that is good to you, than what is the different between you in non christian.
Christian have a love, non christian also have a love.
But there is a different. Non christian doesn't have agape love as christian does.
Agape love mean we still love people that taking our job, hate us, or even if they kill us. Stephen love his killer, Jesus love and pray for his killer. That is an evident of the Christianity, agape love.
There are still quite a few shady employers, who pay them cash under the table, and then cook the books to make it look like everything was above board and legal.
Unreported employment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Under-the-Table Pay Is Unacceptable - BusinessWeek
I know of a major meat packing plant, that has been busted numerous times for hiring the illegals. They shake it off and laugh, because the fine is far less than the money they saved by using the shady under the table cash payments. AND most of those deported are back in two or three weeks. Nothing will change until we tack on a mandatory two year prison sentence for hiring illegal aliens.
If we make everyone, employees and employers go by the Labor Laws, the problems go away.
my SSN was given to undocumented workers by a temporary staffing service. it caused no small problem for my taxes & security clearance status. no charges were ever filed.
it's like putting dog food outside and then spending every night shooing away raccoons. if you took the food inside, you would save yourself a lot of effort.
it's like putting dog food outside and then spending every night shooing away raccoons. if you took the food inside, you would save yourself a lot of effort.
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I've got too much to do right now to play your reindeer games at the moment posthuman so I'll leave you spouting nonsense for the present. For everyone else, here's a good report to read and please note that the economic liabilities incurred by the government caused by displacing Americans from their own domestic labor market is in addition to the points of this report: http://www.fairus.org/DocServer/research-pub/Generation-Jobless_Feb2014_rev.pdf
AMEN!
But that LOVE is not freedom to break the laws of the land, as long as the law of the land does not command us to break God's laws.
1 Peter 2:13-18 (NKJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men--
[SUP]16 [/SUP] as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Servants, be submissive to your masters with all fear, not only to the good and gentle, but also to the harsh.
Helping illegals" evade being captured by Immigration Officers, most certainly is a CRIME and falls under the Biblical heading "using liberty as a cloak for vice", and therefore is a DELIBERATE SIN. Two WRONGS, never did make a RIGHT.
Those who want to help illegals PHYSICALLY to show them Love of Christ, should be volunteers at a Detention Center providing MEDICAL AID, FOOD, and BOTTLED WATER to those captured and awaiting deportation; NOT OUT THERE HELPING THE COMMIT THE CRIME OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. And while you are providing the Aid to them, you can make them aware of the above verses, encouraging them to get on the waiting list, and wait their turn to immigrate LEGALLY.
Inside Texas' New Family-Friendly Detention Center for the Undocumented - ABC News
The reason we have to love the other human being/ whether legal o illegal is not because they contribute tax or money or else.
Even if they rob us, christian still commanded to love other human.
Stephen not only being rob, more than that people rob his soul aka kill him. But he pray for they forgiveness.
I myself not able to do that yet. But it is what the bible teaching Do we choose to do and believe our own calculation, and not to love them, they do damage to me, this what i usually choose, or we trust Him, what ever his command will end up to our own benefit.
Is not an easy task. Choose the narrow way is not easy.
Even if they rob us, christian still commanded to love other human.
Stephen not only being rob, more than that people rob his soul aka kill him. But he pray for they forgiveness.
I myself not able to do that yet. But it is what the bible teaching Do we choose to do and believe our own calculation, and not to love them, they do damage to me, this what i usually choose, or we trust Him, what ever his command will end up to our own benefit.
Is not an easy task. Choose the narrow way is not easy.
AND Loving them and INSISTING they go by the Immigration LAWS, are two sides of the same Coins. AND THAT IS THE WILL OF GOD.
Romans 13:1-8 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For he is God's minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience' sake.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God's ministers attending continually to this very thing.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law.
1 Peter 2:13-16 (NKJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men--
[SUP]16 [/SUP] as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.
I was a Volunteer Prison Chaplain for 9 years, ministering to those incarcerated in the largest Security Housing Unit (The Hole) for the Worst of the Worst violent inmates in the State of California. I showed them the Love of Christ, every time I talked to them or took them Christian reading material. FREQUENTLY they tried to get me to help them break the rules such as sneaking a letter out without the Officers seeing it. NOT ONCE did I help then commit a crime. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HELPING INMATES BREAK RULES AND HELPING ILLEGAL ALIENS BREAK RULES?
SIN IS SIN! GOD SAYS DON'T DO IT.
I know, we not help people to break the rule. It is not the will of God. But love them.
Don't make hate command. Teach them not to break the law with love. Teach them that breaking the law is not for his benefit.
In the long run, follow the will of God is the best for us, include for illegal alien.
This is the different between Christian and non Christian.
Non Christian will mad and hate the illegal because they think, illegal harm them.
Christian aware that nothing can harm them include illegal if God protect us.
Pay the tax is good, it doesn't matter where the tax go.
Karen Huddes, is ex senior legal council for world bank for 20 years. She said, according to the document, most us federal tax dollar go to vatican.
In other video she said federal reserve is belong to vatican. It under name of 9 bank and if you follow who owned point out to Jesuit.
Print money from thin air then loan to the government and US tax payer must pay the interest.
This do more dammage then illegal alien.
[video=youtube_share;5LxeIw3594o]http://youtu.be/5LxeIw3594o[/video]
Don't make hate command. Teach them not to break the law with love. Teach them that breaking the law is not for his benefit.
In the long run, follow the will of God is the best for us, include for illegal alien.
This is the different between Christian and non Christian.
Non Christian will mad and hate the illegal because they think, illegal harm them.
Christian aware that nothing can harm them include illegal if God protect us.
Pay the tax is good, it doesn't matter where the tax go.
Karen Huddes, is ex senior legal council for world bank for 20 years. She said, according to the document, most us federal tax dollar go to vatican.
In other video she said federal reserve is belong to vatican. It under name of 9 bank and if you follow who owned point out to Jesuit.
Print money from thin air then loan to the government and US tax payer must pay the interest.
This do more dammage then illegal alien.
[video=youtube_share;5LxeIw3594o]http://youtu.be/5LxeIw3594o[/video]