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1 Peter 2:13-15 (NKJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men--
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If they loved America and not just the benefits of America- but our founding fathers, and if they became citizens the right way, I would have no problem with it. But even the bible talked a lot about the boarders of a city. They are trying to take over- they want a Mexican America, they want to change our language to Spanish. There was one guy, illegal alien, who drove an ice cream truck for disguise. He was selling drugs to elementary school children. He had raped, molested, and killed many of them- and police couldn't find him because he wasn't in our system. There's a right way and a wrong way. I have visitors in my home from time to time, but I do not stop locking my door and let just anyone in at anytime. there is a reason for locks, there is a reason for boarders. I do not agree with ILLEGAL immigrants, but I welcome new Americans who became so legitimately.
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Unaccompanied Guatemalan Minors Break from Shelter, Rob 91-Year-Old Veteran. Look at the picture in the article. Some of them look in their thirties. Obviously, the American people are being "hoodwinked" by the Obama Administration who is spending 868 million of your tax dollars to resettle them in a city near you. Hope you don't get stabbed.
Unaccompanied Guatemalan Minors Break from Shelter, Rob 91-Year-Old Veteran
Unaccompanied Guatemalan Minors Break from Shelter, Rob 91-Year-Old Veteran
I insist (being absolutely illegal allien during last 12 years = without any ID) that freedom from any kind of ties with the beast-aliked state is real form freedom.
May anyone who likes, mantain a cult out of valid government-issued photo-ID and obidience to authorities.
But freedom from any kind of stinky paper makes life independent.
One who does not have ID at all, has not fear before future refusal of the cursed mark of the beast.
Christianity and statehood are in point of mutual conflict.
What to me if state calls me illegal, while I myself do not admit legacy of any state, other than Vatican and Sovereign Maltes Order???
May anyone who likes, mantain a cult out of valid government-issued photo-ID and obidience to authorities.
But freedom from any kind of stinky paper makes life independent.
One who does not have ID at all, has not fear before future refusal of the cursed mark of the beast.
Christianity and statehood are in point of mutual conflict.
What to me if state calls me illegal, while I myself do not admit legacy of any state, other than Vatican and Sovereign Maltes Order???
some illegal alien is good some is bad. We can say all illegal is bad.
It is not easy to love illegal because they are poor, and some of them is bad. But at least as Christian we command to love the stranger AKA illegal alien.
Matt 25
[SUP]35[/SUP] For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
[SUP]36[/SUP] Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
[SUP]37[/SUP] Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
[SUP]38[/SUP] When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
It is weir If we read more, we find out that both the righteous and the bad are surprise.
The bad think they are taking care Jesus, when Jesus as stranger, and the righteous never felt helping Jesus when He was stranger.
It scare me as well. Jesus never lie, it will judge people in this way. Have we love stranger?
It is not easy to love illegal because they are poor, and some of them is bad. But at least as Christian we command to love the stranger AKA illegal alien.
Matt 25
[SUP]35[/SUP] For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
[SUP]36[/SUP] Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
[SUP]37[/SUP] Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
[SUP]38[/SUP] When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
It is weir If we read more, we find out that both the righteous and the bad are surprise.
The bad think they are taking care Jesus, when Jesus as stranger, and the righteous never felt helping Jesus when He was stranger.
It scare me as well. Jesus never lie, it will judge people in this way. Have we love stranger?
I don't know if my new neighbors are legal or illegal, but they are from a very different culture that does not blend well with ours and they make life difficult for everyone. We can't have benches in the park any more because they tear them up. I must lock everything carefully now, before they moved in we had no problems. They clog the public medical centers so Americans have a very difficult time getting care if needed. Even though they have close family ties centered around the mother, the fathers usually feel no responsibility to the marriage or the children. Even their way with the plumbing, silly as that sounds, makes for a terrible problem. They throw grease in the drains never any other place so they threaten our drainage system. Many have their music blaring loudly in their back yards until the law finally takes over at 10:00 at night, then they move their parties indoors. If you say anything it is met with "no speak English". Even the legal ones do not fit into the American small town culture.
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La Raza politics coming to America:
"Hundreds of students and teachers smashed windows and set fires inside a state capital building in southern Mexico on Monday, as fury erupted over the disappearance of 43 young people believed abducted by local police linked to a drug cartel.
The protesters called for the 43 students from a rural teachers' college in Guerrero state, missing since Sept. 26, to be returned alive, even though fears have grown that 10 newly discovered mass graves could contain their bodies."
Protesters Burn State Building in Southern Mexico - ABC News
^ No death penalty to get rid of the cartel leaders kidnapping young people off the streets and harvesting their organs for sale on the black market but lots of corrupt government officials for the Mexican criminal organizations to bribe.
Already in the U.S. we see a dramatic increase of corruption charges occurring amongst Mexican-Americans who have acquired positions in government amongst heavily populated Hispanic wards... which shouldn't come as a surprise since Mexico And Argentina Are The Most Corrupt Countries In Latin America: The 10 Most Corrupt Mexicans Of 2013 - Forbes
We had a case in the city of Bell here that was so bad it almost bankrupted the entire city: City of Bell scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Hispanic mayor and his coherts literally ran the city like a mafia.
Enjoy this "liberal diversity" Democrats have foisted upon us after declaring that it's immoral and "racist" to have a responsible immigration system that properly encultures new immigrants and transfers historic American values and language to the new entrants.
"Hundreds of students and teachers smashed windows and set fires inside a state capital building in southern Mexico on Monday, as fury erupted over the disappearance of 43 young people believed abducted by local police linked to a drug cartel.
The protesters called for the 43 students from a rural teachers' college in Guerrero state, missing since Sept. 26, to be returned alive, even though fears have grown that 10 newly discovered mass graves could contain their bodies."
Protesters Burn State Building in Southern Mexico - ABC News
^ No death penalty to get rid of the cartel leaders kidnapping young people off the streets and harvesting their organs for sale on the black market but lots of corrupt government officials for the Mexican criminal organizations to bribe.
Already in the U.S. we see a dramatic increase of corruption charges occurring amongst Mexican-Americans who have acquired positions in government amongst heavily populated Hispanic wards... which shouldn't come as a surprise since Mexico And Argentina Are The Most Corrupt Countries In Latin America: The 10 Most Corrupt Mexicans Of 2013 - Forbes
We had a case in the city of Bell here that was so bad it almost bankrupted the entire city: City of Bell scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Hispanic mayor and his coherts literally ran the city like a mafia.
Enjoy this "liberal diversity" Democrats have foisted upon us after declaring that it's immoral and "racist" to have a responsible immigration system that properly encultures new immigrants and transfers historic American values and language to the new entrants.
If a slave has taken refuge with you, do not hand them over to their master.
Let them live among you wherever they like and in whatever town they choose.
Do not oppress them.
(Deuteronomy 23:15-16)
When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them.
The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born.
Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt.
I am the Lord your God.
(Leviticus 19:33-34)
how do i honor these precepts in relation to America's immigrant issue?
Let them live among you wherever they like and in whatever town they choose.
Do not oppress them.
(Deuteronomy 23:15-16)
When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them.
The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born.
Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt.
I am the Lord your God.
(Leviticus 19:33-34)
how do i honor these precepts in relation to America's immigrant issue?
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First you do it by not pulling verses out of context. Jewish scholar Dr Stephen Steinlight says that the word for lives is literally sojourns or a temporary stay. While the Old Testament does confer rights on immigrants who sojourn with Israel (Deut. 23:3; 24: 14-21: 25:5; 26:10-13), these were still temporary visitors who held residence but were not citizens (Lev. 22:10; Psalm 19:12)
So right away, you're creating a false illusion that Israel was wide open for any non-Israelite to come and live in when nothing could be further from the truth. Ancient Israel took national security very seriously as they were locked in mortal combat throughout most of their history with the wicked pagan nations surrounding them. They did not allow the surrounding pagan nation's inhabitants to simply rush into Israel by the millions, using a verse in Deuteronomy as a justification, and destroy Israel in that way.
Of course, they would tolerate a foreign slave who was being harshly mistreated for a period of time until arrangements could be made but this was not wholesale immigration into Israel by non-slaves. How many illegal immigrants are slaves being harshly mistreated by their owner? Zero, that's how many.
So right away, you're creating a false illusion that Israel was wide open for any non-Israelite to come and live in when nothing could be further from the truth. Ancient Israel took national security very seriously as they were locked in mortal combat throughout most of their history with the wicked pagan nations surrounding them. They did not allow the surrounding pagan nation's inhabitants to simply rush into Israel by the millions, using a verse in Deuteronomy as a justification, and destroy Israel in that way.
Of course, they would tolerate a foreign slave who was being harshly mistreated for a period of time until arrangements could be made but this was not wholesale immigration into Israel by non-slaves. How many illegal immigrants are slaves being harshly mistreated by their owner? Zero, that's how many.
okay, the immediate context of Deuteronomy 23 is laws concerning uncleanness because of ejaculation, proper disposal of bodily waste, prohibitions against prostitution & usury, and respect of vows made to the Lord.
the immediate context of Leviticus 19 is prohibition against prostitution (reiterated), against fortune-telling & necromancy, admonishment to respect the elderly, and to use fair weights and measures.
not sure what you mean about "out of context" other than "these verses don't fit with my hostility towards Hispanics"
the principle that we should love our neighbors as ourselves remains whether an immigrant is a seasonal worker or seeks a permanent dwelling. how should i honor that?
the teacher says:
Whoever shuts their ears to the cry of the poor will also cry out and not be answered.
(Proverbs 21:13)
so we have the destitute trying to enter this nation, and we also have the poor among the country's own citizens, and i think the teaching is that we should hear and show mercy to them both. how do i do that?
the immediate context of Leviticus 19 is prohibition against prostitution (reiterated), against fortune-telling & necromancy, admonishment to respect the elderly, and to use fair weights and measures.
not sure what you mean about "out of context" other than "these verses don't fit with my hostility towards Hispanics"
the principle that we should love our neighbors as ourselves remains whether an immigrant is a seasonal worker or seeks a permanent dwelling. how should i honor that?
the teacher says:
Whoever shuts their ears to the cry of the poor will also cry out and not be answered.
(Proverbs 21:13)
so we have the destitute trying to enter this nation, and we also have the poor among the country's own citizens, and i think the teaching is that we should hear and show mercy to them both. how do i do that?
Yup, I agree. Jesus said love your enemy. The immigrant may enemy for some american, because some of them are criminal. But every nation have their own criminal citizen. They may make the park dirty because they poor and not get use to clean habit. But still Jesus command us to love them.
If they destroy America, american must understand, God will protect America if american keep God as God. No matter if there is immigrant or not. If american abide to the Lord, than the Lord will turn the immigrant to be part of the builder, not destroyer.
The only problem to America and all nation of the world is not immigrant, but whether they abide to the vine or not.
Everything will be alright as soon as we abide to the vine. It may make us less wealth but happy.
My ancestors have fought in every war this country has been involved in since King Philip’s War in 1675, before it was even a country. My dad was in Japan in WWII, my husband was in Viet Nam, my son and son-in-law were both in the Gulf Wars and my oldest grandson is only 20 and is a U.S. Marine. Every one of my immigrant ancestors came to this country legally from the earliest ones to the most recent, and took the legal path to citizenship. People need to wake up and see that it is the character of immigrants that matters! The ones who will break our laws to get here will very likely break them after they are here. This has been proven over and over again - just watch the news on TV.
No, our founding fathers did not have this scenario in mind - they expected the decency of respecting our laws from our citizens and foreigners who wanted to come here and live.
No, our founding fathers did not have this scenario in mind - they expected the decency of respecting our laws from our citizens and foreigners who wanted to come here and live.
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Take your ad hominem off this forum. If you have to appeal to falsely accusing everyone who points out the mistakes you're making with respect to scripture a "racist" in a poor attempt to try and prove that the Bible orders the acceptance of mass illegal immigration then you've not already lost a hopeless argument but simultaneously revealed that your character is flawed.
You can repeat your false assertions and introduce red herrings all day long and it changes nothing. See: http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/98295-illegal-aliens-8.html#post1735437 as I don't like to repeat myself in posts which run consecutively.
Obviously, you should try loving your neighbor a little more instead of seeking to create greater misery for them and their progeny by enabling further the negativity of mass illegal immigration upon them like you presently do.
You can repeat your false assertions and introduce red herrings all day long and it changes nothing. See: http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/98295-illegal-aliens-8.html#post1735437 as I don't like to repeat myself in posts which run consecutively.
Obviously, you should try loving your neighbor a little more instead of seeking to create greater misery for them and their progeny by enabling further the negativity of mass illegal immigration upon them like you presently do.
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