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I believe a soldier has a job to do,
and to neglect that job would shame Christ.
On the other hand, a Believer should not seek to be put in that situation.
If drafted, then you go and obey your authority.
If not drafted, why be drawn to shed blood?
Those of us who have seen it, and done it, know that there is no glory in it.
God controls the fate of battle, not man, and not man's arsenal.
Freedom is not free, but the cost is ordained by God.
Unless He places you in that position, do not seek it.
If we have faith in God, and His Will on earth, then we have no need to go to battle for any cause, unless commanded to by an authority.
and to neglect that job would shame Christ.
On the other hand, a Believer should not seek to be put in that situation.
If drafted, then you go and obey your authority.
If not drafted, why be drawn to shed blood?
Those of us who have seen it, and done it, know that there is no glory in it.
God controls the fate of battle, not man, and not man's arsenal.
Freedom is not free, but the cost is ordained by God.
Unless He places you in that position, do not seek it.
If we have faith in God, and His Will on earth, then we have no need to go to battle for any cause, unless commanded to by an authority.
T
First excuse my bad english, I'm not great with it. 
I appreciate all your asnwers and I'm goin to think that a christian soldier have to do the work that he is paid for: defence the fatherland. I don't think that is a sin for a soldier to kill an enemy soldier if he must do it. Obviously just if it is an urgence and I don't think a christian soldier is allowed to torture or kill another just for fun.
Jason004 has mentioned the peaceful reaction of the apostles when they was persecuted. They didn't use the force for get free theirselves.
And I think that a christian, if he wants to follow the example of Jesus that died for others, have not to defend himself, but if there is an urgence, he must defend others: his family, mis wife, his childrens, his fatherland. But maybe God wants us to defend also ourself (but I think this a contradiction with the behaviour of the apostles)...
I don't know if this position is biblical and right. Can someone helps me?
Many thanks and God bless you all!
I appreciate all your asnwers and I'm goin to think that a christian soldier have to do the work that he is paid for: defence the fatherland. I don't think that is a sin for a soldier to kill an enemy soldier if he must do it. Obviously just if it is an urgence and I don't think a christian soldier is allowed to torture or kill another just for fun.
Jason004 has mentioned the peaceful reaction of the apostles when they was persecuted. They didn't use the force for get free theirselves.
And I think that a christian, if he wants to follow the example of Jesus that died for others, have not to defend himself, but if there is an urgence, he must defend others: his family, mis wife, his childrens, his fatherland. But maybe God wants us to defend also ourself (but I think this a contradiction with the behaviour of the apostles)...
I don't know if this position is biblical and right. Can someone helps me?
Many thanks and God bless you all!
E
First excuse my bad english, I'm not great with it.
I appreciate all your asnwers and I'm goin to think that a christian soldier have to do the work that he is paid for: defence the fatherland. I don't think that is a sin for a soldier to kill an enemy soldier if he must do it. Obviously just if it is an urgence and I don't think a christian soldier is allowed to torture or kill another just for fun.
Jason004 has mentioned the peaceful reaction of the apostles when they was persecuted. They didn't use the force for get free theirselves.
And I think that a christian, if he wants to follow the example of Jesus that died for others, have not to defend himself, but if there is an urgence, he must defend others: his family, mis wife, his childrens, his fatherland. But maybe God wants us to defend also ourself (but I think this a contradiction with the behaviour of the apostles)...
I don't know if this position is biblical and right. Can someone helps me?
Many thanks and God bless you all!
I appreciate all your asnwers and I'm goin to think that a christian soldier have to do the work that he is paid for: defence the fatherland. I don't think that is a sin for a soldier to kill an enemy soldier if he must do it. Obviously just if it is an urgence and I don't think a christian soldier is allowed to torture or kill another just for fun.
Jason004 has mentioned the peaceful reaction of the apostles when they was persecuted. They didn't use the force for get free theirselves.
And I think that a christian, if he wants to follow the example of Jesus that died for others, have not to defend himself, but if there is an urgence, he must defend others: his family, mis wife, his childrens, his fatherland. But maybe God wants us to defend also ourself (but I think this a contradiction with the behaviour of the apostles)...
I don't know if this position is biblical and right. Can someone helps me?
Many thanks and God bless you all!
In other words, my friend, choose to trust God or to trust yourself. If you do not have enough faith in God right now then take the time to build your faith through prayer, giving money to the poor and missions, Bible reading, and fasting.
Be diligent to serve God in the times of peace so that you do not stumble during the times of war.
T
Yeah, I can agree with some parts of this post, but not with others. I Think that if God gives me the possibility to defend another person I'm not called to throw away that opportunity.
Example, if I'm walkin' in a street with my wife and a raper comes out from a dark corner haven't I the must of protect herself even with violence if it necessary or I must bow down my knees, pray to God and let the raper rape my wife?
There is a line, but for the example you gave, protecting your wife is part of your ROLE as husband.
To neglect that God given role would be sin.
This paradox, of where our passivism and submission meets our duties, is exactly why Paul makes it clear that it is better to remain single,
yet better to marry only if we struggle with lust.
If we are walking in the Spirit, He will make it clear to us when we are to respond in physical boldness of action,
and when we are to respond in spiritual boldness of submission.
Even when we are called to action, it is not our own strength, but God's, that we depend on to help us succeed in defending.
To neglect that God given role would be sin.
This paradox, of where our passivism and submission meets our duties, is exactly why Paul makes it clear that it is better to remain single,
yet better to marry only if we struggle with lust.
If we are walking in the Spirit, He will make it clear to us when we are to respond in physical boldness of action,
and when we are to respond in spiritual boldness of submission.
Even when we are called to action, it is not our own strength, but God's, that we depend on to help us succeed in defending.
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I mean, a christian soldier, if he need to do that during his work can kill someone?
Thanks for the attention, brothers.
God bless.
Thanks for the attention, brothers.
God bless.
Jesus never killed anyone, so why should I? Jesus never condoned fighting, he told his disciples to buy a sword and taught them a staunch lesson by it; 'he who lives by the sword, dies by the sword. Don't you think I can call on my father and he'll send twelve legions of angels to my aid? But how would the scriptures be true if it happened as such?'
The disciples never needed a purse, bag, or sandals, as Jesus asks them, and they reply 'no, we did not, teacher'. They needed nothing but what Jesus had taught them; love, compassion, selflessness. They never needed a purse, or a bag, or a sandals, so what purse, bag or sandals should they have had with them to sell in order to buy a sword? The answer is none.
If a man is of the world, he needs a purse, and sandals, and a bag, and selling them to buy a sword teaches an important spiritual lesson; attachment to things of the world is divided with spirituality.
Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.
53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
E
It seems that the given assumption is that praying to God doesn't work when it really matters since you assume that the person will continue to rape them even if you pray to God. Does God only work when you don't need an immediate response? Is God your plan B? He is for plenty of people. I want you to really examine that and see if you really are relying on the Holy Spirit to work in your life.
Once again, I retort that this is exactly the reason why we do not see miracles. We lack faith. When push comes to shove we trust our own strength and not God.
Once again, I retort that this is exactly the reason why we do not see miracles. We lack faith. When push comes to shove we trust our own strength and not God.
[h=3][/h]Where would this Christian nation be, Christian nation meaning the very fabric of Christian philosophy was woven into the foundation of this country at her founding, if our military were populated by Christians who would not kill our enemies who were trying to kill us?
Psalm 144:1-2 Of David. Blessed be the Lord, my rock, who trains my hands for war, and my fingers for battle; he is my steadfast love and my fortress, my stronghold and my deliverer, my shield and he in whom I take refuge, who subdues peoples under me.
John 15:13 Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends.
Psalm 144:1-2 Of David. Blessed be the Lord, my rock, who trains my hands for war, and my fingers for battle; he is my steadfast love and my fortress, my stronghold and my deliverer, my shield and he in whom I take refuge, who subdues peoples under me.
John 15:13 Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends.
I mean, a christian soldier, if he need to do that during his work can kill someone?
Thanks for the attention, brothers.
God bless.
Thanks for the attention, brothers.
God bless.
J
There's been much controversy, though, over the right to kill those who never attacked you or tried to kill you, for, say, mercantile reasons, or for a political ideological disagreement, to go forth killing on somebody else's land who didn't attack you. How will the Christian nation remain, that kills enemies with an empire mentality, on their own soil? Is the idea of empire even Christian? Are not empires the beasts of the Bible? If we're Christian, why did we go after North Vietnam, or Iraq, with huge force, and are, in essence, turning a blind eye to ISIS, out to lunch or golfing, which is a just war that needs to be waged, by all of conscience in the entire world? There's much serious to be concerned over, when invoking the Christian nation claim of such as this or LGBT glorification. If you call yourself a Christian, try being a Christian.
E
It would probably be the same place where the Church is-- powerful and living....rather than weak and dying.
A lot of people seem to be making the strawman argument of "Well we can't just do nothing!" A Christian should seldom just be sitting with his hands in his pockets. Could you imagine where this country would be if we threw down our arms and just got together and fasted and prayed to the Lord?
If you have never even thought about this then you need to take some time to repent and consider your ways. Christianity isn't meant to be self-sustainable. If it was, then Christianity would have been wiped out during its early persecution. God is the great sustainer of Christianity.
A lot of people seem to be making the strawman argument of "Well we can't just do nothing!" A Christian should seldom just be sitting with his hands in his pockets. Could you imagine where this country would be if we threw down our arms and just got together and fasted and prayed to the Lord?
If you have never even thought about this then you need to take some time to repent and consider your ways. Christianity isn't meant to be self-sustainable. If it was, then Christianity would have been wiped out during its early persecution. God is the great sustainer of Christianity.
I look at it a little diferent then that
what lies in our heart
what lies in our motive
What lies in our actions, does not give exclusion to police or any government because they are all corrupted just as man is.
Murder or killing there is no justification rather you are a solider or not. Your weapon of choice should be the Bible, and not to take up arms against your fellow man. Lets see what the bible says:
While a Christian does not engage in a physical war against blood and flesh (Eph 6:12), he is engaged in warfare nonetheless, a spiritual fight. The apostle Paul describes the war waged within the Christian between “sin’s law” and “God’s law,” or ‘the law of the mind’ (the Christian mind in harmony with God) Ro 7:15-25.
This warfare of the Christian is an agonizing one, requiring the exertion of every effort for a person to come off winner. But he can be confident of victory through the undeserved kindness of God through Christ and the help of God’s spirit. (Ro 8:35-39) Jesus said of this fight: “Exert yourselves vigorously to get in through the narrow door” (Lu 13:24), and the apostle Peter counseled: “Keep abstaining from fleshly desires, which are the very ones that carry on a conflict (or, “are doing military service”) against the soul.” (1 Peter 2:11) Beloved, I urge you as foreigners and temporary residents to keep abstaining from fleshly desires, which wage war against you
(James 4:1, 2) What is the source of the wars and fights among you? Do they not originate from your fleshly desires that carry on a conflict within you? 2 You desire, and yet you do not have. You go on murdering and coveting, and yet you are not able to obtain. You go on fighting and waging war. You do not have because of your not asking.
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In addition to this warfare against sin’s law, the Christian has a fight against the demons, who take advantage of the tendencies of the flesh by tempting the Christian to sin. (Eph 6:12) In this warfare the demons also induce those under their influence to tempt or to oppose and persecute Christians in an effort to get them to break their integrity to God. 1Co 7:5; 2Co 2:11; 12:7; compare Lu 4:1-13.
Think about this TheSearcherOfTheLight How is it that, if you were to be a solider in combat while stabbing your fellow man and to talking to him about God at the same time while he bleeding, "in terms convert or die" basically how would these scriptures come to play?
Mathew 5:43-45
YOU heard that it was said, ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 However, I say to YOU: Continue to love YOUR enemies and to pray for those persecuting YOU; 45 that YOU may prove yourselves sons of YOUR Father who is in the heavens
Didn't the scriptures say , our war is against the wicked spirit forces in the heavenly places not flesh and blood. So you have the right to defend yourself but not as a solider when you put your self in harms way. Do you think Jesus would pick up a Gun?
So the bible does not allow for blood shed of any sort, that's what Jesus came to do shed blood for everyone so there is no need of it. How then are you to love you neighbor and show him God at the same time as your killing him ? anyone doing or thinking that it is ok is in the same boat as the Muslims are when they kill in the name of their God if you don't convert, same boat my friend no matter how you look at it same boat. No one can deny what the bible has to say on it or the love of God is not in you.
what lies in our heart
what lies in our motive
What lies in our actions, does not give exclusion to police or any government because they are all corrupted just as man is.
Murder or killing there is no justification rather you are a solider or not. Your weapon of choice should be the Bible, and not to take up arms against your fellow man. Lets see what the bible says:
While a Christian does not engage in a physical war against blood and flesh (Eph 6:12), he is engaged in warfare nonetheless, a spiritual fight. The apostle Paul describes the war waged within the Christian between “sin’s law” and “God’s law,” or ‘the law of the mind’ (the Christian mind in harmony with God) Ro 7:15-25.
This warfare of the Christian is an agonizing one, requiring the exertion of every effort for a person to come off winner. But he can be confident of victory through the undeserved kindness of God through Christ and the help of God’s spirit. (Ro 8:35-39) Jesus said of this fight: “Exert yourselves vigorously to get in through the narrow door” (Lu 13:24), and the apostle Peter counseled: “Keep abstaining from fleshly desires, which are the very ones that carry on a conflict (or, “are doing military service”) against the soul.” (1 Peter 2:11) Beloved, I urge you as foreigners and temporary residents to keep abstaining from fleshly desires, which wage war against you
(James 4:1, 2) What is the source of the wars and fights among you? Do they not originate from your fleshly desires that carry on a conflict within you? 2 You desire, and yet you do not have. You go on murdering and coveting, and yet you are not able to obtain. You go on fighting and waging war. You do not have because of your not asking.
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In addition to this warfare against sin’s law, the Christian has a fight against the demons, who take advantage of the tendencies of the flesh by tempting the Christian to sin. (Eph 6:12) In this warfare the demons also induce those under their influence to tempt or to oppose and persecute Christians in an effort to get them to break their integrity to God. 1Co 7:5; 2Co 2:11; 12:7; compare Lu 4:1-13.
Think about this TheSearcherOfTheLight How is it that, if you were to be a solider in combat while stabbing your fellow man and to talking to him about God at the same time while he bleeding, "in terms convert or die" basically how would these scriptures come to play?
Mathew 5:43-45
YOU heard that it was said, ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 However, I say to YOU: Continue to love YOUR enemies and to pray for those persecuting YOU; 45 that YOU may prove yourselves sons of YOUR Father who is in the heavens
Didn't the scriptures say , our war is against the wicked spirit forces in the heavenly places not flesh and blood. So you have the right to defend yourself but not as a solider when you put your self in harms way. Do you think Jesus would pick up a Gun?
So the bible does not allow for blood shed of any sort, that's what Jesus came to do shed blood for everyone so there is no need of it. How then are you to love you neighbor and show him God at the same time as your killing him ? anyone doing or thinking that it is ok is in the same boat as the Muslims are when they kill in the name of their God if you don't convert, same boat my friend no matter how you look at it same boat. No one can deny what the bible has to say on it or the love of God is not in you.