Why don't we have a perfect bible today?

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Of course we do have a perfect bible today, but most on this forum don't believe that. My question to ya'll is:

A) Is God not capable of preserving his word.
B) Does God not want us to have his inerrant word today.
C) Is there another option I'm missing? Please explain.
 
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You failed to answer this last time and I am sure you will fail to do it again.

What do you mean by perfect?
 
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A) Yes, He absolutely is.
B) Yes, He does and we do, but the KJV isn't the only valid translation of the Word of God.
 

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Well, I too would like to hear clarification on what perfect is meant to mean, but in the meantime:

A) Yes
B) No (as in he does want)
C) Textual criticism
 
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A) Yes, He absolutely is.
B) Yes, He does and we do, but the KJV isn't the only valid translation of the Word of God.
Oh, crap. Let's try that again. God wants us to believe His Word is inerrant but the KJV isn't the only true version.
 
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Inerrant means no mistakes, it means I can pick up my bible and believe every word in it. That means when I pick up my bible I can believe what it says when I read the word Easter in the book of Acts.

Act_12:4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.
 
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You failed to answer this last time and I am sure you will fail to do it again.

What do you mean by perfect?

The whole question is loaded and thus meaningless. If you do not say what you mean by perfect, there is no way to discuss whether or not something is perfect.
 
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Come on, dude. We know what inerrant means! The Bible is the inerrant Word of God. All translations are flawed in some respect (not for nefarious reasons but because translating Hebrew, Aramaic and Koine Greek isn't an exact science) but the message of salvation etc. remains, as does every good thing needed to grow in one's faith in God. Just avoid modified 'translations' like the Jehovah's Witness bollocks.
 
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Come on, dude. We know what inerrant means! The Bible is the inerrant Word of God. All translations are flawed in some respect (not for nefarious reasons but because translating Hebrew, Aramaic and Koine Greek isn't an exact science) but the message of salvation etc. remains, as does every good thing needed to grow in one's faith in God. Just avoid modified 'translations' like the Jehovah's Witness bollocks.
That's double speak Tintin. You said "The bible is the inerrant Word of God but all translations are flawed"... could you elaborate on that.
 
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Why can't you answer one freakin question, KJV1611?
 
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The spirit of the message is the same in all valid translations. Therefore, each is purely the Word of God. Only the Hebrew, Aramaic and Koine Greek are more reliable but you have to know those ancient languages to read them and not all are capable of that. I most certainly am not, so a quality English translation is sufficient and remains the Word of God.
 
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The spirit of the message is the same in all valid translations. Therefore, each is purely the Word of God. Only the Hebrew, Aramaic and Koine Greek are more reliable but you have to know those ancient languages to read them and not all are capable of that. I most certainly am not, so a quality English translation is sufficient and remains the Word of God.
Are you a politician lol. Is there a bible on earth today that is the perfect, one that I can go read and believe every single word in it?
 
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Are you a politician lol. Is there a bible on earth today that is the perfect, one that I can go read and believe every single word in it?
Yes, the Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. There are also many quality translations that are available. All valid translations are the Word of God. The originals are the very best resource but translations do a very good job communicating God's message to those who need it. Please don't call me a politician, I hate politics.
 
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What's your freakin question Last?
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Yes, the Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. There are also many quality translations that are available. All valid translations are the Word of God. The originals are the very best resource but translations do a very good job communicating God's message to those who need it. Please don't call me a politician, I hate politics.
Which one is the perfect translation?
 
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Of course we do have a perfect bible today, but most on this forum don't believe that. My question to ya'll is:

A) Is God not capable of preserving his word.
B) Does God not want us to have his inerrant word today.
C) Is there another option I'm missing? Please explain.
Of course the Bible is errant. God didn't write it with his own finger. Men compiled it with their council authority. And scribes and translators made due with what they knew in taking manuscripts, epistles, etc... from one language and translated them into the next. Plus there was the added interjection of the politics of the time.

For instance King James, a pervert, a queer, a man who was said to sex his own mother, and who literally bathed in the blood of his enemies, authorized the first printing of the Bible in England. The Authorized King James Version 1611.
But King James, known as queen james by many because he was gay and would sometimes dress as a woman, was also paranoid of the pagans in his realm. Namely those he called witches.

He therefore authorized the Exodus 22:18 scripture to be changed. From, thou shalt not allow a poisoner to live, unto thou shalt not let a witch to live.
So that the persecution and prosecution and execution of those deemed witches could commence under the authority of the church.
Yes, the Bible is errant. And often contradictory. As we see here from one verse unto the other.

Proverbs 26:4-5
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Do not answer a fool according to his folly,
or you yourself will be just like him.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Answer a fool according to his folly,
or he will be wise in his own eyes.

But Christians don't worship the Bible.That would be biblioidolatry, a sin. Rather, they glean their relationship from Christ from within themselves.

The ego's of men sought to rule the world for eternity proclaiming God's word was contained in 66 books. But if so, when there is but one God, how did the Bible come to be through the exercise of over 40 different authors and numerous councils that compiled what ultimately became their decree as a closed canon?

God didn't write the Bible. Therefore, it is no surprise when there are contradictions and errors.
For instance, God would know the mustard seed is not the smallest seed on earth. Mark 4:31. But men did.
God knows the smallest seed on earth is that which is almost microscopic and belongs to the epiphytic orchid.

Don't find your faith depends on page after page of scripture. Our faith is to come from the divine revelations and relationship with have with God through Jesus Christ.
You're arguing about man made things. The Bible. Of course there are errors.
 
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Why don't you follow the thread... I answered you in post #6.
 
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No, you didn't.
 
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Which one is the perfect translation?
From a spelling and purely grammatical standpoint, there isn't one. From a does-this-translation-communicate-God's-message-to-His-people-and-the-lost standpoint, most translations are perfect.