Why don't we have a perfect bible today?

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God said man would twist his word. A lot of Holy Spirit and a Strongs concordance will help to get past some of the perversions of the KJV. See: The Great Ecclesiastical Conspiracy
 

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I can not understand what part of this KJV1611 (the person not the book) and Jason0047 do not understand.
Thats the problem when you join a cult, they are programmed to ignore everything and stick to the same Mantra, even when you are beating them over the head with it.
 
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First, a cult is in thinking you can't trust God's Word.

Second, James Strong and his many friends who worked on the Strong's Concordance did not create a divinely inspired work. They were just men. They also provide a wide variety of definitions so you can play along with a "Choose your own Adventure" type Bible, too. There is no real nailed down Word of authority. God does not change. He had written the Word of God (i.e. Ten Commandments) on tablets of stone with His very own finger. Why do we think God has changed? He hasn't. God still perfectly has provided His Word for us today. For the Bible we have today says that it is perfect and that the words of the Lord are PURE words. Do you believe your Bible when it says those words?
 
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"And, behold, thou shalt be dumb, and not able to speak,...
because thou believest not my words,..."
(Luke 1:20)
 
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Five men who worked on the Modern Translations have lost their voice. Also, when this point was brought up to a Bible scholar on the John Ankerberg Show, he actually lost his voice, too.

Bible Corrector Loses Voice on Ankerberg Show

2 Corinthians 2:17
"For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ."
 
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Do you believe that comets are omens of doom too?
 
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So you believe that the Bible scholar who lost his voice on the Ankerberg Show specifically right at the time when he was supposed to give an answer to the five Bible correctors who had lost their voice was just a coincidence?
 
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That would be like an Atheist ignoring a giant Neon sign that fell into his house that says, "Believe in Jesus Christ" right after he just got back from arguing with a bunch of Christians there is no God.
 

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The King Jimmy is not a preservation of God's Word, for God gave it in Greek, Hebrew, & Aramaic -- English was not invented.
God's Word is preserved as He gave it.

"And, behold, thou shalt be dumb, and not able to speak,...
because thou believest not my words,..."
(Luke 1:20)
So why then have thousands of men who translated God's word in modern times -- why have they not lost their voices?

The passage you quote is about Zacharias, the father of John the Baptist, who was blameless, walking in all the commandments of the Lord! An angel had spoken God's Word to Zach, who disbelieved the miraculous promise. And I guarantee you that the angel was not speaking Elizabethan English.

< Habakkuk 2:2:

"And the LORD answered me, and said, Write the vision,
and make it plain"


 

Atwood

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If God has preserved His Scripture, then it is preserved. And thus it is preserved in Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic.
No particular manuscript is perfect, but the Scripture is preserved. No reading, no word, no letter of the original is out-of-existence.

Of course the King Jimmy is not a preservation of God's Word; it is a translation made from manuscripts and not the best manuscripts, though good ones.

When God gave his word, there was no Elizabethan English, no English of any kind. And if the name "Jimmy" was not in existence when the Bible was out-spired, how could the Jimmy be preserved?

Cease jimmying the Word.
 
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The real question we each need to answer is how to find actual truth from the Lord in words of scripture available to us.

All these posts about judging people who try to translate the words of the Lord to us in a language our mortal minds can best comprehend God's message to us is not answering the basic question at all. I find that listening to how God instructs us to live our life works for most everything, and God has a lot to say about judging, and still finding God's truth in all of our life.

I think Gordon Fee did a wonderful job giving helpful hints on how to do that in his book "How to Read the Bible for All It is Worth".

I also think it would be helpful for all of us to understand the original language used by the first men God breathed His Holy word to. That would have the least translations in it. Most people today say that is Greek, etc., they say by the time Christ lived with us the original Hebrew was gone. My search of the latest archeological findings says there is error in that finding. I also find that it applies that men began to think differently about 500 years before Christ. There are references to this in scripture, and there were Hellenized Jews and classical Jews. I think we need to learn about this to see what God wants us to see in His word, that it applies.

All this arguing about translations being perfect or not is not helping man hear directly from God's mouth at all.
 
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So you believe that the Bible scholar who lost his voice on the Ankerberg Show specifically right at the time when he was supposed to give an answer to the five Bible correctors who had lost their voice was just a coincidence?
The heck is a bible corrector? You are referring to a show that no one knows of and an incident no one has evidence for?
 
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Of course we do have a perfect bible today, but most on this forum don't believe that. My question to ya'll is:

A) Is God not capable of preserving his word.
B) Does God not want us to have his inerrant word today.
C) Is there another option I'm missing? Please explain.
Oh we have the perfect word Of God its just ppls views and beliefs about it that makes it seem flawed.
 
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Not all Translations say the same thing; And God is not the author of confusion.
 
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They all say the same thing - the message is the same.

There is no such thing as a perfect translation, there are just different ways of expressing the same thing to get at the same meaning.
 
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By requesting a video? The incident is not on tape. The author of that cooky webite is taking a KJV-onlyist at his word, supposedly.
 
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The King Jimmy is not a preservation of God's Word, for God gave it in Greek, Hebrew, & Aramaic -- English was not invented.
God's Word is preserved as He gave it.



So why then have thousands of men who translated God's word in modern times -- why have they not lost their voices?

The passage you quote is about Zacharias, the father of John the Baptist, who was blameless, walking in all the commandments of the Lord! An angel had spoken God's Word to Zach, who disbelieved the miraculous promise. And I guarantee you that the angel was not speaking Elizabethan English.

< Habakkuk 2:2:

"And the LORD answered me, and said, Write the vision,
and make it plain"


As I said, I am not against Modern Translations. I use them all the time and find them very helpful for this reason. I believe God allowed flawed Modern Translations to exist so as to test to see what is the pure Word of God. Thru this process, Modern Translations do offer a more plain Modern reading that is simple and easy to understand (More so in the Old Testament). I will admit that. But Jesus did not always speak in a way where everyone understood Him, though. He also spoke in parables, too.
 
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How do you account for variants within the ancient texts?
I do no not need to walk by sight. I have faith. There are a million reasons that could explain it. They could be fakes or deliberate corruptions. I see the observable evidence that the KJV is the preserved Word of God for our day. It internally verifies itself and is superior to other translations (If one were to do a simple side by side comparison). For the blood atonement, salvation, the deity of Christ, the mention of specific sins are watered down. Certain passages are changed that would create two different sets of faiths or beliefs (One being KJV and the other who is a Modern Translationist). Also, the devil's name is not placed wrongfully in the KJV, either. Bible numbers confirm the inspiration of the KJV as they do the original Greek text.
 
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