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Would you categorize yourself as a fundamentalist Christian?
Do you believe in the false idea that everyone has the "Christ consciousness" and they just need to tap into it?
What church religion would you classify yourself as? Christian Scientist?
Do you believe all religions are one?

Just curious.


I say this because I believe the Bible is my sole authority and that every word of it is true. I believe Jesus does not dwell within everyone and therefore they are not saved. For He that has the Son has life and He that does not have the Son does not have life (1 John 5:12). I say this because I do not place my faith in out of body experiences or new revelations that might conflict with God's Word. I don't push out of body experiences or a vision I had, but I lay the foundation of Jesus Christ and promote His glory and power and not my own glory and power. What foundation are you laying? Jesus? Or a vision or out of body experiences?
 
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I say this because I believe the Bible is my sole authority and that every word of it is true. I believe Jesus does not dwell within everyone and therefore they are not saved. For He that has the Son has life and He that does not have the Son does not have life (1 John 5:12). I say this because I do not place my faith in out of body experiences or new revelations that might conflict with God's Word. I don't push out of body experiences or a vision I had, but I lay the foundation of Jesus Christ and promote His glory and power and not my own glory and power. What foundation are you laying? Jesus? Or a vision or out of body experiences?
12 I must go on boasting. Although there is nothing to be gained, I will go on to visions and revelations from the Lord. 2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows. 3 And I know that this man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows—

So was John or Paul or Luke was in the body or out of the body when they had their experience? And how many days it had taken God to create and filled the earth? Why were the prophets were put to sleep when God or the angels had visited them? the only one that was awake was Moses and Elijah, and there is a possibility that Adam and Enoch was also awake.

25 I know that my redeemer lives,
and that in the end he will stand on the earth.
26 And after my skin has been destroyed,
yet in my flesh I will see God;



 
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This verse tell us about categorizing.

John 3:8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

You can't put someone that is born of the spirit in a category.
 

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The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.” NAS

1. πνεῦμα – wind, breath, or spirit. The noun πνεῦμα appears in one form or another some 386 times in the New Testament and it is translated as spirit in every instance except here in John 3:8. This begs the question, why? The word that is usually translated as “wind” in the Greek New Testament is ἄνεμος which is used some 31 times in its various forms.
2. The word πνεῖ means wind, blow, or breath and occurs only here.
3. αὐτοῦ – can be either masculine or neuter in gender – He, him, or it, so this is of little help in determining whether πνεῦμα should be translated as wind or Spirit.
4. English translations that translate it as “The Spirit breathes:"

a. Aramaic Bible in Plain English – “The Spirit breathes where he will, and you hear his voice, but you do not know from where he comes and where he goes; thus is everyone who is born from The Spirit.”
b. Douay-Rheims Bible – “The Spirit breatheth where he will; and thou hearest his voice, but thou knowest not whence he cometh, and whither he goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.”
c. Young's Literal Translation – “The Spirit where he willeth doth blow, and his voice thou dost hear, but thou hast not known whence he cometh, and whither he goeth; thus is every one who hath been born of the Spirit.”


5. I offer two interpretation of this verse based on the different uses of the words πνεῦμα, πνεῖ, and αὐτοῦ.

a. If it can be considered proper to translate πνεῦμα as 'wind' in this one verse when it is never so translated anywhere else in scripture, and if πνεῖ is also properly translated as 'blow' then it may be that Jesus is using the natural phenomenon of wind to explain the inexplicable working of the Holy Spirit. In other words, this rendering of the text would offer such an explanation as that given by Clark's Commentary on the Bible, “The wind blows in a variety of directions - we hear its sound, perceive its operation in the motion of the trees, etc., and feel it on ourselves - but we cannot discern the air itself; we only know that it exists by the effects which it produces: so is every one who is born of the Spirit: the effects are as discernible and as sensible as those of the wind; but itself we cannot see. But he who is born of God knows that he is thus born: the Spirit itself, the grand agent in this new birth, beareth witness with his spirit, that he is born of God, Romans 8:16; for, he that believeth hath the witness in himself.” Is there justification for this rendering; perhaps.
b. However, if we apply the same translation to πνεῦμα that it is given through the rest of scripture (including its later appearance in this same verse) and translate πνεῖ as 'breaths', and render αὐτοῦ as 'he' rather than 'it' then this creates an entirely different understand of this text. “The Spirit breaths where he wishes and you hear the sound of him, but do not know where he comes from and where he is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit."

* Jesus is talking about detection and discernment – we hear but are unable to discern its origin or its destination. This is talking about perception.
* How would this relate to those who are born of the Spirit? The force of “even so” draws a comparison between the characteristics of the Spirit and the one who is born of the Spirit. The context is explaining how the Holy Spirit operates in the new birth. In this passage the Lord is suggesting that the Spirit breathes where He wills; His voice is heard (i.e., His inspired words are perceived); “even so,” is one begotten of the Spirit. It is the Holy Spirit’s operation through the word of God that initiates the new birth experience 1 Pet. 1:23. The new birth is a passive experience. It is something that is done to us and is linked to two connecting elements – water and Spirit.
 
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This verse tell us about categorizing.

John 3:8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

You can't put someone that is born of the spirit in a category.
That really doesn't answer my questions. I don't mind someone quoting Scripture. In fact, I encourage it. But you are not talking plainly so as to be understood. Talk to me straight.
 
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Yes, what you had came up with sound the same as the one that I had posted from the NIV translation. It is basically trying to say that you can't restrain someone or hold them to a certain pattern to follow, like putting them into a certain category like claiming them to be a Baptist, SDA, and whatever categories that's out there. Try restraining someone's breath or the wind, and that is how someone that is led by the spirit.
 
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Yes, what you had came up with sound the same as the one that I had posted from the NIV translation. It is basically trying to say that you can't restrain someone or hold them to a certain pattern to follow, like putting them into a certain category like claiming them to be a Baptist, SDA, and whatever categories that's out there. Try restraining someone's breath or the wind, and that is how someone that is led by the spirit.
What about those who preach another Christ or gospel? What about those that Jesus denies in Matthew 7?
 
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What about those who preach another Christ or gospel? What about those that Jesus denies in Matthew 7?
Like the ones that opposes what the scriptures says by claiming the world is over seven thousand years old? Or the ones that claimed that the angels came and had sex with the people and created hybrids? There's so many that had fallen for that book of tricks which is falsely called knowledge and don't you know that the word science means knowledge? God has given knowledge to certain ones to prove that the word is true, but instead they had turned it against Him. Did you know that Newton had believe that he has gotten his wisdom from God?

‘This most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent Being. … This Being governs all things, not as the soul of the world, but as Lord over all; and on account of his dominion he is wont to be called “Lord God” παντοκρατωρ [pantokratòr], or “Universal Ruler”. … The Supreme God is a Being eternal, infinite, absolutely perfect.’2Isaac Newton’s times of hardship and struggle throughout his lifetime did not produce bitterness. Instead, Newton’s own words show that this brought him closer to God. ‘Trials are medicines which our gracious and wise physician gives because we need them; and the proportions the frequency and weight of them to what the case requires. Let us trust his skill and thank him for the prescription.’

He loved God and believed God’s Word—all of it. He wrote, ‘I have a fundamental belief in the Bible as the Word of God, written by men who were inspired. I study the Bible daily.’
https://answersingenesis.org/creation-scientists/sir-isaac-newton/
 
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No, the Sun is not the only thing in Creation that gives forth light. It is only the Greater Light set to rule in the day. The Moon, the Lesser Light is set to give forth light at night.
It doesn't look as though you are aware. Like Earth, the Moon shines only by reflected sunlight. Did you think it shined by its own light?
 
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On the fourth day God allowed the sun to shine and the same day he allowed the moon to shine. A day unto God is as a thousand years. From Adam to Christ is 4 thousand years. Jesus is called the Sun of righteousness. During this same time God created the church, which is a reflection of the Son. We are approaching 7,000 years since Adam and that's when God rest and that's when we rest.
 
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Like the ones that opposes what the scriptures says by claiming the world is over seven thousand years old? Or the ones that claimed that the angels came and had sex with the people and created hybrids? There's so many that had fallen for that book of tricks which is falsely called knowledge and don't you know that the word science means knowledge? God has given knowledge to certain ones to prove that the word is true, but instead they had turned it against Him. Did you know that Newton had believe that he has gotten his wisdom from God?

‘This most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent Being. … This Being governs all things, not as the soul of the world, but as Lord over all; and on account of his dominion he is wont to be called “Lord God” παντοκρατωρ [pantokratòr], or “Universal Ruler”. … The Supreme God is a Being eternal, infinite, absolutely perfect.’2Isaac Newton’s times of hardship and struggle throughout his lifetime did not produce bitterness. Instead, Newton’s own words show that this brought him closer to God. ‘Trials are medicines which our gracious and wise physician gives because we need them; and the proportions the frequency and weight of them to what the case requires. Let us trust his skill and thank him for the prescription.’

He loved God and believed God’s Word—all of it. He wrote, ‘I have a fundamental belief in the Bible as the Word of God, written by men who were inspired. I study the Bible daily.’
https://answersingenesis.org/creation-scientists/sir-isaac-newton/
Again, that really doesn't answer my questions.
 
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Shekinah glory..
revelation .... recalling from memory... dont know the verse..."there will be no more night ... they will not need the light of the sun nor the light of the lamp, for the lord god will give them light and they will reign forever and ever
 
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Again, that really doesn't answer my questions.
In other words, it's like I asked you what you're favorite food was and you say you like the color red in painting your bathroom walls. You're not making any sense.
 
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On the fourth day God allowed the sun to shine and the same day he allowed the moon to shine. A day unto God is as a thousand years. From Adam to Christ is 4 thousand years. Jesus is called the Sun of righteousness. During this same time God created the church, which is a reflection of the Son. We are approaching 7,000 years since Adam and that's when God rest and that's when we rest.
Interesting. I think it was also you who said something also interesting the other day, I didn't have time, but about the fourth day of creation and the sun being smitten by the fourth angel in Revelation? The word of God has such amazing unity, something man could not possibly have come up with, and penned by so many, over so long a period. Regarding the fourth angel, "...the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD."
 
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Shekinah glory..
revelation .... recalling from memory... dont know the verse..."there will be no more night ... they will not need the light of the sun nor the light of the lamp, for the lord god will give them light and they will reign forever and ever
Revelation 21:2 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

Revelation 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
 
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Thanks jesus is all! :)
It is so very true! :)
 
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It doesn't look as though you are aware. Like Earth, the Moon shines only by reflected sunlight. Did you think it shined by its own light?
Lol I have heard this theory before, this is what they teach in public school. I believe they are wrong. I do believe the Moon gives forth its own light. I pondered this one many years ago when I was out walking and noticed a half moon in the sky at the same time the Sun was in the sky too, which of course is not possible if the Moon's light is a reflection from the Sun.

This reminds me though, going back to the supposed spin of the earth; how fast you figure the earth spins on its axis if it spins at all? I'll be very up front with you, I do not believe the earth spins at all, and it is a very easy prove it does not.
 
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Slow down people. As it was explained to me was the first light from Genesis came from God Himself. As it will be in Heaven, there will be no day or night for the Lord will be their light.
 
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Thanks jesus is all! :)
It is so very true! :)
You're most welcome, Powemm! Revelation chapters 21 and 22 are most beautiful, as if a real glimpse into eternity.
 
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Channa: Only God can answer your question with 100% accuracy

The short answer to your question is Jesus is the light.


The reason I respond this way is of all the threads I have read this one has mostly satanic responses I have seen.
I want to be certain you see this. I will post this when done.Just before I looked at this thread I read majority of people on CC are looking for someone to explain God to them.


My response is you need to know the Lord.
Just like you have friends and family and know them. God is not an intangible object like most believe.If you believe he exists, all you have to do is speak to him. He will speak to you and give you a very clear answer. He has promised James 1: [SUP]5 [/SUP]If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him. [SUP]6 [/SUP]But when he asks, he must believe and not doubt, because he who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. [SUP]7 [/SUP]That man should not think he will receive anything from the Lord;

You should not be afraid of God. He loves you and cares for you and wants you to know him.

Back to the light in verse 3:Proverbs 8 is a completed thought however in the middle Jesus said this about himself.
[SUP]22[/SUP] “The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works,
before his deeds of old;
[SUP]23[/SUP] I was appointed from eternity,
from the beginning, before the world began.
[SUP]24[/SUP] When there were no oceans, I was given birth,
when there were no springs abounding with water;
[SUP]25[/SUP] before the mountains were settled in place,
before the hills, I was given birth,
[SUP]26[/SUP] before he made the earth or its fields
or any of the dust of the world.
[SUP]27[/SUP] I was there when he set the heavens in place,
when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,
[SUP]28[/SUP] when he established the clouds above
and fixed securely the fountains of the deep,
[SUP]29[/SUP] when he gave the sea its boundary
so the waters would not overstep his command,
and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.
[SUP]30[/SUP] Then I was the craftsman at his side.
I was filled with delight day after day,
rejoicing always in his presence,
[SUP]31[/SUP] rejoicing in his whole world
and delighting in mankind.

Scripture also says about Jesus in book of John 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [SUP]2 [/SUP]He was with God in the beginning.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. [SUP]4 [/SUP]In him was life, and that life was the light of men. [SUP]5 [/SUP]The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it

Blessings from God: sincerely; Dave