Light -> Sun in Genesis.

[JesusIsAll]

Ah but gravity is still a Theory not a Law, therefore its all up for scientific debate lol.

And indeed if Gravity by its theory is attraction between masses, the Earth's mass is several times that of a bird. By that reasoning birds should not be able get very far off the earth. Which leads me to conclude Sir Newton was incorrect about Gravity and that it does not exist.

Birds weigh little, it's called Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation, and I've never heard Newton said gravity doesn't exist! Anyway, it was awfully real in school, especially the math. (I hope this isn't one of those, "Saw it on the web, so it's got to be true.") Anyway, gravity is pretty much law to me, so I'll not jump from a skyscraper roof and fly, anytime soon.

 

[Calminian]

So this barrier of yours separates the water? Because in order to separate something, they must of have been joined together at one time, and so it must be referring to the same element, and which it is water, not no cosmo water, but just plain water. And so we have water that is floating above us? This is why the atheist has so much ammo against believers, because of their understanding of scriptures.

I'm not sure what point your making, but God can separate what ever He wants. The expanse (the heavens) is that which separates the waters. The lower waters were used to make the land and the sea. The waters above the expanse are never mentioned again, except by a psalmist thousands of years later.

This means there are waters still out there in space at the edge of the universe. This is what the text says.

From the article I linked:

But wait a minute! Water floating around in outer space at the edges of the cosmos? Really?

Yes, that’s what the text seems to imply. But what’s even more mind-boggling is the fact that we may actually be seeing glimpses of these waters in our telescopes. As strange as it sounds, enormous water reservoirs have actually been detected in recent years in outer space by secular scientists! From a purely secular source in 2011,
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Water really is everywhere. Two teams of astronomers, each led by scientists at the California Institute of Technology (Caltech), have discovered the largest and farthest reservoir of water ever detected in the universe. Looking from a distance of 30 billion trillion miles away into a quasar—one of the brightest and most violent objects in the cosmos—the researchers have found a mass of water vapor that’s at least 140 trillion times that of all the water in the world’s oceans combined, and 100,000 times more massive than the sun. Source 6

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Yeah, it seems wacky to me too, but this is what our “wacky” modern scientists are saying. From NASA.gov,
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“The environment around this quasar is very unique in that it’s producing this huge mass of water,” said Matt Bradford, a scientist at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. “It’s another demonstration that water is pervasive throughout the universe, even at the very earliest times.” Bradford leads one of the teams that made the discovery. His team’s research is partially funded by NASA and appears in the Astrophysical Journal Letters. full article 6

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It appears even secular scientists believe water played a major role in the development of our universe. For further reading from the creationist perspective, see, Water Near Edge of Universe Bolsters Creation Cosmology.6​

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Birds weigh little, it's called Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation, and I've never heard Newton said gravity doesn't exist! Anyway, it was awfully real in school, especially the math. (I hope this isn't one of those, "Saw it on the web, so it's got to be true.") Anyway, gravity is pretty much law to me, so I'll not jump from a skyscraper roof and fly, anytime soon.

Lol Newton thought Gravity was real, at least in theory. I am merely saying his theory is wrong and gravity does not actually exist.

Lots of things were supposed to be "Real" in school like them "hominids" that starkly turn out the be either fully human or total hoaxes, saying the earth is billions of years old (perhaps only a paltry hundred millions in your time at school, they like to revise that number a lot since there is no proof), saying the earth is a ball, that we orbit the Sun, that we evolve from monkeys, and that we live in a galaxy (lol and they even show you pictures! Though no one ever questions just how they got a picture of the galaxy without leaving it first).

Also by no means am I encouraging anyone to jump off a skyscraper lol, you are far too heavy and dense and lack the surface area to get lift from the waters of the air.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Also by no means am I encouraging anyone to jump off a skyscraper lol, you are far too heavy and dense and lack the surface area to get lift from the waters of the air.

Been told often enough I'm far too dense, for sure!

 

[Cycel]

BTW; If there's no answer. Could you please just say it?

There is an answer. The majority of biblical scholar (that's liberal scholarship) recognize that the Genesis creation story share many affinities with the Babylonian creation myth, which is older by the way. The Babylonians also believe light was created first and that it existed apart from the sun. The explanation is that when you look into a heavily overcast sky at noon you cannot see the sun. This lead to the belief that light existed separately.

We of course know that earth rotates into shadow, thus causing the day night cycle. The author of Genesis, like the Babylonians before him, had no concept of a modern cosmology. The Genesis account is a Bronze Age story. It is a mistake to read it literally.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Been told often enough I'm far too dense, for sure!

Lol well punned, well punned indeed. Though perhaps its better to be dense than to be full of hot air lol.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

There is an answer. The majority of biblical scholar (that's liberal scholarship) recognize that the Genesis creation story share many affinities with the Babylonian creation myth, which is older by the way. The Babylonians also believe light was created first and that it existed apart from the sun. The explanation is that when you look into a heavily overcast sky at noon you cannot see the sun. This lead to the belief that light existed separately.

We of course know that earth rotates into shadow, thus causing the day night cycle. The author of Genesis, like the Babylonians before him, had no concept of a modern cosmology. The Genesis account is a Bronze Age story. It is a mistake to read it literally.

Just curious Cycel, how fast you figure the earth rotates, if it rotates at all?

 

[JesusIsAll]

Lol well punned, well punned indeed. Though perhaps its better to be dense than to be full of hot air lol.

I have been trying to harness some of these CC threads to inflate balloons, but just recently learned that round thing on my computer is a camera, not a nozzle. Really could make one a Global Warming believer. Of course, to you, I need not emphasize the gravity of the situation.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

I have been trying to harness some of these CC threads to inflate balloons, but just recently learned that round thing on my computer is a camera, not a nozzle. Really could make one a Global Warming believer. Of course, to you, I need not emphasize the gravity of the situation.

Lol, I'm sure you have confused a lot of people at NSA before you figured out it was a camera. Global Warming would be a weighty issue indeed. Though I'd float the possibility that one is false too considerring how cold last winter was.

 

[4enlightment]

I'm not sure what point your making, but God can separate what ever He wants. The expanse (the heavens) is that which separates the waters. The lower waters were used to make the land and the sea. The waters above the expanse are never mentioned again, except by a psalmist thousands of years later.

This means there are waters still out there in space at the edge of the universe. This is what the text says.

From the article I linked:

But wait a minute! Water floating around in outer space at the edges of the cosmos? Really?

Yes, that’s what the text seems to imply. But what’s even more mind-boggling is the fact that we may actually be seeing glimpses of these waters in our telescopes. As strange as it sounds, enormous water reservoirs have actually been detected in recent years in outer space by secular scientists! From a purely secular source in 2011,
​

Water really is everywhere. Two teams of astronomers, each led by scientists at the California Institute of Technology (Caltech), have discovered the largest and farthest reservoir of water ever detected in the universe. Looking from a distance of 30 billion trillion miles away into a quasar—one of the brightest and most violent objects in the cosmos—the researchers have found a mass of water vapor that’s at least 140 trillion times that of all the water in the world’s oceans combined, and 100,000 times more massive than the sun. Source 6

​

Yeah, it seems wacky to me too, but this is what our “wacky” modern scientists are saying. From NASA.gov,
​

“The environment around this quasar is very unique in that it’s producing this huge mass of water,” said Matt Bradford, a scientist at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. “It’s another demonstration that water is pervasive throughout the universe, even at the very earliest times.” Bradford leads one of the teams that made the discovery. His team’s research is partially funded by NASA and appears in the Astrophysical Journal Letters. full article 6

​

It appears even secular scientists believe water played a major role in the development of our universe. For further reading from the creationist perspective, see, Water Near Edge of Universe Bolsters Creation Cosmology.6​

An international team of astronomers working with NASA’s Kepler spacecraft have discovered two new planets, one of which might support flowing water, according to the findings published Tuesday by Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society Letters. http://www.newsweek.com/newly-found-planet-may-have-flowing-water-astronomers-report-253350


I remember as a child that Neptune has water on it planet, but now I was told that they were assumptions in what they believe it is water. But you know what, it has dawn on me why did they needed a probe to visit the moon that is near by, to see if it have had any life on it since we has eyes (Scopes) that can see further than the moon. I had came to realized that everything are assumptions, not actual facts. But maybe you have something there; if there is water that is above us, and they said that they had spotted a galaxy like our very own, maybe they are seeing the reflections of our own galaxy from the water that is above us?

 

[JesusIsAll]

Lol, I'm sure you have confused a lot of people at NSA before you figured out it was a camera. Global Warming would be a weighty issue indeed. Though I'd float the possibility that one is false too considerring how cold last winter was.

Probably on the "no fly list" now. I read somewhere scientists are embarrassed over the cooling trends popping up all over, and the preferred terminology, now, is Global Climate Change. Recently, it was in the news the Antarctic ice sheet is at an all time record magnitude, isn't it? I'm waiting for an explanation of why Global Climate Change is a problem, since this is the nature of weather since statistics have been kept. But I'm beginning to feel guilty, shouldn't be taking up this thread with atmospheric matters, until the light source of "Let there be light" is disclosed. But this is CC: I'm confident the answer will be forthcoming.

 

[Calminian]

There is an answer. The majority of biblical scholar (that's liberal scholarship) recognize that the Genesis creation story share many affinities with the Babylonian creation myth, which is older by the way. ...

It's older than Moses, but not older than Moses' source material. The entire Genesis account predates Moses, and even references books written before the flood.

This is the generations of the book of Adam (Gen. 5:1) for instance.

I suggest you read up on the Tablet Theory. It might strengthen your faith in the Bible.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Probably on the "no fly list" now. I read somewhere scientists are embarrassed over the cooling trends popping up all over, and the preferred terminology, now, is Global Climate Change. Recently, it was in the news the Antarctic ice sheet is at an all time record magnitude, isn't it? I'm waiting for an explanation of why Global Climate Change is a problem, since this is the nature of weather since statistics have been kept. But I'm beginning to feel guilty, shouldn't be taking up this thread with atmospheric matters, until the light source of "Let there be light" is disclosed. But this is CC: I'm confident the answer will be forthcoming.

Ah, well indeed the source of Light is God for he created the Light. Thought that one was answered all ready, if it was not obvious before. Even going back to the atmo-dome its source is also God as he created that as well. God being Creator is Rightful Owner and can do what he wills with everything in all of Creation.

 

[Calminian]

Ah, well indeed the source of Light is God for he created the Light. Thought that one was answered all ready, if it was not obvious before. Even going back to the atmo-dome its source is also God as he created that as well. God being Creator is Rightful Owner and can do what he wills with everything in all of Creation.

What dome?

 

[GodIsSalvation]

What dome?

The dome above the face of the earth where all the air is. Some people call it the sky. I just call it the sky dome to distinguish between the waters of the Firmament above it (outer space they call it these days)

 

[JesusIsAll]

Ah, well indeed the source of Light is God for he created the Light. Thought that one was answered all ready, if it was not obvious before.

Nobody said what the light was, whether an orb, a crack in some higher heaven, some sort of diffused light substance or just light that stood still, the sorts of things there are always a few around here who know the answers to, like finding somewhere that light, in the Hebrew, meant a big glowing snow cone to goat herders.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Nobody said what the light was, whether an orb, a crack in some higher heaven, some sort of diffused light substance or just light that stood still, the sorts of things there are always a few around here who know the answers to, like finding somewhere that light, in the Hebrew, meant a big glowing snow cone to goat herders.

Yea, it does make one wonder where the light exactly was on the first day, but I suppose one could also say it doesn't matter too much since that was only for the first three days and God then took the light and used it to form stuff like the Sun, Moon, and Stars.

If I were to wager a guess, I'd say it was all in one place given that God separated the Light from the Dark for there to be a first day.

 

[Calminian]

The dome above the face of the earth where all the air is. Some people call it the sky. I just call it the sky dome to distinguish between the waters of the Firmament above it (outer space they call it these days)

Where does scripture say waters are above the atmosphere? If you're speaking of the firmament, we are told that the stars sun and moon are contained in it. That's considerately larger than the atmosphere.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Where does scripture say waters are above the atmosphere? If you're speaking of the firmament, we are told that the stars sun and moon are contained in it. That's considerately larger than the atmosphere.

Lol I am feeling some deja vu here. The atmo-dome is the waters of the sky. The waters of the Firmament is Outer Space where the Sun, Moon, and Stars are indeed. And then there are waters above the Firmament, the Heaven of Heavens.

EDIT: Genesis 1:6-8 for the scriptures.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Lol I am feeling some deja vu here. The atmo-dome is the waters of the sky. The waters of the Firmament is Outer Space where the Sun, Moon, and Stars are indeed. And then there are waters above the Firmament, the Heaven of Heavens.

EDIT: Genesis 1:6-8 for the scriptures.

An aside to this, can you imagine the vastness and richness of God's heaven?