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why does it say in one verse that the LORD incite David to number Israel and in one verse it says satan?

and also Jesus was God in the flesh u see, but God is not a man it says..... i hear anthony buzard use this argument and other people u see........ what do we answer?????? i say that God is not a man, but He chose to take on humanity to redeem us as the Word come flesh u see, am i right?
 
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If the moon just all of sudden drifted away from the earth, that wouldn't mean the end of life on earth, yea the earth would have more tidal affects, the earth might wobble alittle more and the weather maybe more erratic, but life can still survive under those conditions.

The sun and the earth's core go hand and hand to sustaining life on earth it would be very difficult if either one of these light sources just went away, if the sun stopped shining well most things living on earth needs sun light to grow and it helps the planet to keep warm.

if the earth's core just all of sudden cooled, well there goes our atmosphere and our protection from vast amounts of radiation and with little to no oxygen in the atmosphere that has went away we could not breathe, also the earth's magnetic field is produced by earth's core this helps in many ways also.

just can't sustain air breathing life on a planet with no core that isn't producing a atmosphere, it becomes a waste land, a barren very cold or very hot lifeless place.

do people really know how precious the earth's core is to life, it's invaluable as with the sun as well.
 

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When the time of reformation came the Jew who were previously used in parables as shadow and types were no longer needed as a special people . They came from the Gentiles nations the Hittites and the Amorites and today are considered one of the gentile nations.

Ezekiel 16:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite.

Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.2Co 5:16

There is no need today to have a difference between the the Jew and the gentiles/ Greek. The fullness of the gentiles is the fullness of sinners.

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Even when they were used in parables before the refomation to represent the coming of Christ .An outward Jew who was not converted was as a gentile and needed to be born again from above. God puts no difference between them and other other nations today. Purifying the hearts of both by the same one work of his faith.
Thanks for your reply. I am confused as to what this "reformation" is you are referring to. From Abram/Abraham?

"There is no need today to have a difference between the the Jew and the gentiles/ Greek. The fullness of the gentiles is the fullness of sinners."

Concerning your 2nd analysis, I too, have considered this "fulness" to be of a bad report. But, thinking God, in Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, wants "good" things for us who were formerly gentiles. In that vein of thought? I be thinking that this is more of a good/Holy/Righteous, "occurrence, or, event," or, fulness.
 

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That is called the sin nature, brother.
Lets say you see a mouse who desperately searches for food for her young ones.

This mouse meets a cat desperately seeking food for her young ones.

Now its about pure and cruel survival. Which one of them would you help as a Christian?

And such unsolvable dilemmas are happening every second in the nature before our eyes. Its not sin for them. It is for us, because we are given something more than what they are given. But our bodies are working in the same way as theirs and we must fight it.
 

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Ephesians 4:[SUP]8 [/SUP]Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. [SUP]9 [/SUP](Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? [SUP]10 [/SUP]He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

1 Peter 3:[SUP]18 [/SUP]For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: [SUP]19 [/SUP]By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; [SUP]20 [/SUP]Which sometime were disobedient, ...........

I would say that when Christ descended to Abraham's bosom also known as Paradise, and preached the gospel to them in prison, I believe Adam & Eve believed in Him and got saved the same time when the thief met Him in Paradise & had heard the gospel preached.

Luke 23:[SUP]42 [/SUP]And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. [SUP]43 [/SUP]And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

We have this report.

Hebrews 11:1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For by it the elders obtained a good report. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. [SUP]4 [/SUP]By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh. [SUP]5 [/SUP]By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. [SUP]6 [/SUP]But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. [SUP]7 [/SUP]By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. [SUP]8 [/SUP]By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. [SUP]9 [/SUP]By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: [SUP]10 [/SUP]For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable. [SUP]13 [/SUP]These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. [SUP]15 [/SUP]And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. [SUP]16 [/SUP]But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

We see an account in the O.T. where the O.T. saints go in the afterlife; somewhere beneath the earth, but not hell.

1 Samuel 28:[SUP]11 [/SUP]Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel. [SUP]12 [/SUP]And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul. [SUP]13 [/SUP]And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth. [SUP]14 [/SUP]And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself. [SUP]15 [/SUP]And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the Lord is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy?

The fact that Adam is listed as part of Israel's roots as of the sons of Gods, that has him & Eve both of faith.

Luke 3:[SUP]38 [/SUP]Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

Since His resurrection and ascension, in leading the captivity captive wherein now Paradise is located in Heaven above with the saved O.T. saints within as Paul testified of the apostle John whom was taken to see Paradise above and had written the Book of Revelation about that experience.

2 Corinthians 12:1It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord. [SUP]2 [/SUP]I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) [SUP]4 [/SUP]How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

So, yes, Adam & Eve are saved now and waiting in Paradise in Heaven for the redemption of their bodies as well at the pre trib rapture event.[SUB][/SUB]
 

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I know that it is called this way.

And evolution from lesser animal bodies actually explains why it is so. What is a reproduction behavior in animals is adultery for us. What is a chemistry for finding the healthy partner in animals is a temptation for us. Etc.

We actually struggle with our body daily because of its natural functions.
The evolution of lesser animal bodies does not necessarily explain everything as to why it is so. Pigs were possessed by the demons called Legion. Unclean spirits have plagues animals and people. Dogs are sensitive to the presence of the paranormal. Not every animal is a meat eater and not every animal can be domesticated either.

When I look at the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics as everything goes from order to chaos as every system does break down over time, I see that as running against the grain for what the evolution theory proposes in how simple life evolving to a better and a more complex system. The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics also affirms the sin nature effect that is in this fallen world in the Bible.
 

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If the earth's core was exposed, the earth's outer layers removed, the core would look like from space very similar to a dwarf star like so.

Maybe. Scientists now say that there is a vast ocean near the earth's core. More at this link.

https://www.livescience.com/1312-huge-ocean-discovered-earth.html

I believe that is where the waters ran off to that had flooded the earth.

Isaiah 54:8[SUP]9 [/SUP]For this is as the waters of Noah unto me: for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth;

Proverbs 3:[SUP]4 [/SUP]Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

Psalm 104:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains. [SUP]7 [/SUP]At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away. [SUP]8 [/SUP]They go up by the mountains; they go down by the valleys unto the place which thou hast founded for them. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Thou hast set a bound that they may not pass over; that they turn not again to cover the earth.

I believe the waters ran off from the flood on this earth in the direction that formed the Grand Canyon, and headed towards that Mariana Trench off the cost of China by which got sealed off, trapping the waters from the flood that now makes up that ocean near the core of the earth.
 

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why does it say in one verse that the LORD incite David to number Israel and in one verse it says satan?
2 Samuel 24:1And again the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah....[SUP]10 [/SUP]And David's heart smote him after that he had numbered the people. And David said unto the Lord, I have sinned greatly in that I have done: and now, I beseech thee, O Lord, take away the iniquity of thy servant; for I have done very foolishly.

1 Chronicles 21:1And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel..........[SUP]7 [/SUP]And God was displeased with this thing; therefore he smote Israel. [SUP]8 [/SUP]And David said unto God, I have sinned greatly, because I have done this thing: but now, I beseech thee, do away the iniquity of thy servant; for I have done very foolishly.

The Lord was angry with Israel and he moved David against them by having Satan provoked David to number the people. Satan cannot do anything against His people without God's permission and so when Satan stood up against Israel, it was because the Lord's anger was kindled against Israel that He permitted David to be moved by Satan to provoke David to number the people.

More of a behind the scene look at what happens in the spiritual realm, I reckon. Like the two times in Job except that Satan "heckled" God being pleased by His servant Job for which God permitted Satan to test Job but to a limit.

It probably would be clearer if we knew what exactly the Lord was angry with Israel about to move David against Israel by numbering the people for which punishment would have to come by God.

and also Jesus was God in the flesh u see, but God is not a man it says..... i hear anthony buzard use this argument and other people u see........ what do we answer?????? i say that God is not a man, but He chose to take on humanity to redeem us as the Word come flesh u see, am i right?
That portion scripture cited out of context out of that one verse of "God is not a man...." is referring to what the sinful man is doing of what God would never do and affirming that when God says He would do something, He will do it..

Numbers 23:[SUP]19[/SUP]God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Since man was created in God's image; that verse is not allowed to be taken out of context to say that God is not a man per se, when that verse was about God is not like sinful man that would lie or change his mind.
 

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The evolution of lesser animal bodies does not necessarily explain everything as to why it is so. Pigs were possessed by the demons called Legion. Unclean spirits have plagues animals and people. Dogs are sensitive to the presence of the paranormal. Not every animal is a meat eater and not every animal can be domesticated either.

When I look at the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics as everything goes from order to chaos as every system does break down over time, I see that as running against the grain for what the evolution theory proposes in how simple life evolving to a better and a more complex system. The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics also affirms the sin nature effect that is in this fallen world in the Bible.
Demons in animals is just one extraordinary case and it lasted only for a very short time, because animals probably cannot handle it.

Also, not every animal is a meat eater, but every animal is naturally in a chain of food. Either a meat eater or a meat. And every living organism becomes a food for bacterias, ants, beetles, birds and animals after death. So this world is arranged in a way where the life of one organism depends on the death of another.

Why do we have exactly the same mechanisms animals have and it leads to sin in us and we must fight that? Coincidence? I do not think so.
 

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And I have another one:

How did the physical death and the physical passion of Christ saved us spiritually?

Logically, if He paid by physical death, we should not die physically.

But the reverse is true and we are not saved from the physical death, but from the eternal/spiritual one.
 
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I got one:

How do we reconcile Romans 2:7 (Its similar to Matthew 25) with Ephesians 2:8-9 and Romans 3:21-25(These are similar to John 3:16)?
 
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I got one:

How do we reconcile Romans 2:7 (Its similar to Matthew 25) with Ephesians 2:8-9 and Romans 3:21-25(These are similar to John 3:16)?
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God.

When we are in the flesh the only thing we can do is have faith.

Paul is telling the Gentiles,and their religions,and their works,and people who went by the Old Testament,and it's works,that those works will not save them,but only by having faith in Christ is what saves them,for that is the only thing we can do to start a relationship with God.

But when a person receives the Spirit,then they have to allow the Spirit to lead them,and do the works of the Spirit.

We know we have to be led of the Spirit to be saved,but if we do not do the works of the Spirit,then we are not led of the Spirit.

And the Bible says people after they have been saved can lack being led of the Spirit,as pointed out in Revelation with the first Church,and the fifth Church,and Paul,James,and John,pointed it out,that if they do not have works of the Spirit,which is love then they are not right with God,because they do not allow the Spirit to lead them.

Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Some people try to carry faith alone throughout their Christian life,and they lack being led of the Spirit,for they enjoy worldliness because they think they are alright.
 

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And I have another one:

How did the physical death and the physical passion of Christ saved us spiritually?

Logically, if He paid by physical death, we should not die physically.

But the reverse is true and we are not saved from the physical death, but from the eternal/spiritual one.
Christ was the ultimate sacrifice for sins. Thus all the previous sacrifices were summed up in His sacrifice. Included was that of the whole burnt offering. Therefore Christ offered His body, soul and spirit as a total sacrifice to God.

Now the offering of Christ does not save us simply from eternal damnation. It also saves us from the penalty, the power, and the presence of sin. The ultimate purpose of salvation is to redeem our bodies, souls, and spirits for eternity when we are perfected and glorified. So there are indeed saints who will not die but be raptured. But those who do die will be resurrected. And all the saints will be with God and Christ for eternity. As you can see, the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ have made all of this a reality.
 
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Demons in animals is just one extraordinary case and it lasted only for a very short time, because animals probably cannot handle it.

Also, not every animal is a meat eater, but every animal is naturally in a chain of food. Either a meat eater or a meat. And every living organism becomes a food for bacterias, ants, beetles, birds and animals after death. So this world is arranged in a way where the life of one organism depends on the death of another.

Why do we have exactly the same mechanisms animals have and it leads to sin in us and we must fight that? Coincidence? I do not think so.
I believe you are missing the truth by all the facts about the fallen world we live in, much in the same way you are missing the forest for the trees.
 
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And I have another one:

How did the physical death and the physical passion of Christ saved us spiritually?

Logically, if He paid by physical death, we should not die physically.

But the reverse is true and we are not saved from the physical death, but from the eternal/spiritual one.
BUT eventually physical death will be done away with as well as hell into the lake of fire at the great white throne judgment.

So in that sense death loses its sting in that way too.

Death can lose its sting now in that we are not going to go to hell after we die since Jesus has the keys to hell and death to prevent that for all those that believe in Him.
 
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I got one:

How do we reconcile Romans 2:7 (Its similar to Matthew 25) with Ephesians 2:8-9 and Romans 3:21-25(These are similar to John 3:16)?
Romans 2:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Who will render to every man according to his deeds:[SUP] 7 [/SUP]To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:[SUP] 8 [/SUP]But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,[SUP]9 [/SUP]Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

Let us look at the church at Thyatira in how they are still His, but are warned for not departing from iniquity.

Revelation 2:[SUP]18 [/SUP]And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;[SUP] 19 [/SUP]I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.[SUP] 20 [/SUP]Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.[SUP] 21 [/SUP]And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.[SUP] 22 [/SUP]Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.[SUP] 23 [/SUP]And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.[SUP]24 [/SUP]But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.[SUP] 25 [/SUP]But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

So any work of the flesh or iniquity that denies Him, they will be denied, BUT He still abides even in former believers.

2 Timothy 2:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:[SUP] 12 [/SUP]If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:[SUP] 13 [/SUP]If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

So think of running that race by faith in Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd to help us lay aside every weight & sin so that we may walk in the light and be received by the Bridegroom when He comes. It is still not really on us when we are called to look to the author & finisher of our faith in order to run that race as our confidence is in Him to finish His work in us to His glory.

Not every believer will follow Jesus, but instead follow a church or a preacher or a minister or a "movement of the spirit" when those that minister are supposed to be pointing others to look to Him as our Good Shepherd to help them to follow Him.

This is why Jesus commanded His disciples to make disciples of other believers that by their example in how they trust Him as their Good Shepherd to follow Him, they will look to Him and trust Him as their Good Shepherd too.

If you think about it, enduring by patience is hardly a merit of man when that patience is on Him and enduring is by our faith & hope in Him to be accepted by Him when the Bridegroom comes.

Matthew 24:[SUP]12 [/SUP]And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.[SUP] 13 [/SUP]But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Romans 8:[SUP]24 [/SUP]For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? [SUP]25 [/SUP]But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.


2 Thessalonians 1:We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because that your faith groweth exceedingly, and the charity of every one of you all toward each other aboundeth;[SUP] 4 [/SUP]So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:[SUP]5 [/SUP]Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

1 John 3:[SUP]3 [/SUP]And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

2 Timothy 4:[SUP]18 [/SUP]And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

I believe that is the patience we are to have by our hope in Him and to endure by leaning on Him to continually hope in Him for all things for following Him, in serving Him, as well as resting in Him that we are saved.

Those left behind are saved, but because they did not apply their faith in Him as their Good Shepherd to help them to follow Him by hope, by confidence in Him, by faith in Him, by trusting Him at His word which a child can do.... they went astray in the world and by churches that have been compromised when each believer is to prove all things by Him in following Him.

1 Thessalonians 5:[SUP]21 [/SUP]Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.[SUP] 22 [/SUP]Abstain from all appearance of evil.[SUP] 23 [/SUP]And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.[SUP] 24 [/SUP]Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.[SUP]25 [/SUP]Brethren, pray for us.

Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,[SUP]2 [/SUP]Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Those saints that get the wrath of God is that same wrath from the Father spoken about in Hebrews 12th chapter.

But He is still their Father for having His seal, regardless of being left behind as disqualified from attending the Marriage Supper in the honor of His Son which is to His glory as the crowns we receive are really His crowning achievements in us.

So it is a matter of bringing all the truths together in scripture to see that God the Father is not mocked if saved believers thinks they can live in iniquity and not call on Him as their Good Shepherd for help to discern that iniquity to depart from it.

Those saints left behind, Jesus will finish His work in them as He is their Good Shepherd to get even that one sheep that went astray for He shall lose none of all the Father has given Him.

Yes, great tribulation and wrath awaits unrepenting saved believers when they refuse to run that race by faith in Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 5:[SUP]8 [/SUP]We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.[SUP] 9 [/SUP]Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.[SUP] 10 [/SUP]For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.[SUP]11 [/SUP]Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
 
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Why did David take the severed head of Goliath to Jerusalem (1 Sam.17:54)? Jesus was crucified on Golgotha which is interpreted to mean "the place of a skull" (John 19:17). Could Golgotha mean Goliath's skull?
The Jebusites inhabited Jerusalem at that time. David's first act as king was to take the city from the Jebusites (2 Sam. 5). But why did he take the head there a decade before he became king? He wouldn't have taken it into the city. I'm thinking he mounted it on a pole outside the city gates. Maybe he used Goliath's own spear which must have been about 12' long or more. Goliath was about 9 1/2' tall so his head must have been huge. That would have been a gruesome thing to see and memorable.
There's something symbolic here but it's pure guesswork
When the people, led by Moses, journeyed from Egypt to return to their own land, they went through a place in the wilderness where many were bitten by poisonous snakes and died (Num.21:6-9). Moses was instructed by the Lord to make a serpent of brass and mount it on a pole and when anyone was bitten by a snake, if he looked at it, he lived.
The snakes were evil and brought death; but the brass serpent, which represented Jesus Christ on the cross, overcame evil and gave life.
I wonder if the head of Goliath was mounted on a pole in the same place where our Lord Jesus was crucified.
Could it be that the head of Goliath on a pole represented evil that brought death; but Jesus Christ who was mounted on the cross overcame evil and brought life.
There are many mysteries in the Bible. This is a real WHY? teaser.
About a thousand years later, our Heavenly David would walk out of the tomb with the head of Satan, so to speak, in His Hand; and, because He lives, we shall live also.

The scripture says, "And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; He will crush your head, and you will strike His heel." Genesis 3:15 NIV

 
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Not really a Bible question but let us say:
Man has free will and does some good but why is it always mostly evil that we do?

Why is it harder to do good than evil? Why is it not equal?

Are there any verses of Scripture for this situation?
 

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Why is it harder to do good than evil? Why is it not equal?
Is it? Is it really harder "not to kill" than "kill"? Not to steal than steal?

I think its not harder to do good, its harder to want good, because we have evil inclinations.