A continually surrendered life.

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Pisteuo

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I don't think I'm mistaken, here is a scan of the page in Vines;

I googled what your googling and found your problem.
Your googling the words believe, believer, and believing, the mistranslated words.

Go to the next Vines below that one. It says Faith, Vines Greek dictionary.
 
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I googled what your googling and found your problem.
Your googling the words believe, believer, and believing, the mistranslated words.

Go to the next Vines below that one. It says Faith, Vines Greek dictionary.
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I googled what your googling and found your problem.
Your googling the words believe, believer, and believing, the mistranslated words.

Go to the next Vines below that one. It says Faith, Vines Greek dictionary.
So now you switched to faith, "pistis" from pisteuo, so the problem is yours not mine.

Pisteuo is defined in the Vines Greek dictionary as, " A personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender. Producing a full acknowledgement of God's revelation of truth."

According to Vines on pistis:

(2) a personal surrender to Him, John 1:12;

John 1:12 says no such thing either. Vines is introducing elements of interpretation.
 
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So now you switched to faith, "pistis" from pisteuo, so the problem is yours not mine.




According to Vines on pistis:

(2) a personal surrender to Him, John 1:12;

John 1:12 says no such thing either. Vines is introducing elements of interpretation.
It's always been about Faith, pistis. Pisteuo is the corresponding verb to the noun Pistis, where we get our noun Faith. This thread is about fulfilling and the application of Faith , which is pisteuo.

I did your research for you, your welcome! That's 3!
 
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It's always been about Faith, pistis. Pisteuo is the corresponding verb to the noun Pistis, where we get our noun Faith. This thread is about fulfilling and the application of Faith , which is pisteuo.

I did your research for you, your welcome! That's 3!
You misrepresented "pisteuo" switched to "pistis", used a bogus definition from Vines (while misquoting it) to claim they mean surrender and claim this is research.

Laughable.
 

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That's not the Vines.
Well, the following is Vines. http://gospelhall.org/bible/bible.php?search=pisteuo&dict=vine&lang=greek

Scroll all the way down to entry number 9 and in the middle you will see the words, "A personal surrender to Him." And notice the verse the verse used is John 1:12. "But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who BELIEVE in His name."

So, the word faith, believe, trust are all synonymous words which means they have the same or nearly the same meaning. What I see you doing is telling us your definition or understanding of faith means one has to have faith in a harder or more "strict" way than if one uses the word "believe" or "trust." And if one does not "surrender" in an "uncompromising, firm, authoritarian " way they are not really saved according to "YOUR" standards. I also suggest you read all of Vines entries including what it says about "believe." In short, it's your way or the highway. :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
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Well, the following is Vines. http://gospelhall.org/bible/bible.php?search=pisteuo&dict=vine&lang=greek

Scroll all the way down to entry number 9 and in the middle you will see the words, "A personal surrender to Him." And notice the verse the verse used is John 1:12. "But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who BELIEVE in His name."
*psst*, that's not pisteuo it's pistis, and neither mean surrender, the closest in Greek to surrender is:

G3860 paradidomi par-ad-id'-o-mee

from G3844 and G1325;

to surrender, i.e yield up, intrust, transmit.

For a fee Pist can get his user name changed to paradidomi :giggle:
 
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Faith - Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words

Faith


The main elements in "faith" in its relation to the invisible God, as distinct from "faith" in man, are especially brought out in the use of this noun and the corresponding verb, pisteuo; they are

(1) a firm conviction, producing a full acknowledgement of God's revelation or truth, e.g., 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12;

(2) a personal surrender to Him, John 1:12;

(3) a conduct inspired by such surrender, 2 Corinthians 5:7. Prominence is given to one or other of these elements according to the context. All this stands in contrast to belief in its purely natural exercise, which consists of an opinion held in good "faith" without necessary reference to its proof. The object of Abraham's "faith" was not God's promise (that was the occasion of its exercise); his "faith" rested on God Himself, Romans 4:17, Romans 4:20-Romans 4:21. See ASSURANCE, BELIEF, FAITHFULNESS, FIDELITY.

There ya go!
 
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Did you see where it states, all this stands in contrast to Belief
 
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The continually surrendered life is the easiest way to define exactly what NT saving Faith is.

The application of NT saving Faith is communicated to us by the use of the Greek word pisteuo, 248 times in the NT.

Pisteuo is defined in the Vines Greek dictionary as, " A personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender. Producing a full acknowledgement of God's revelation of truth."

The Strong's Greek dictionary gives us an important disclaimer, it states," pisteuo means NOT just to believe!" The words the English language should have had for the translators are faithe, faither, and faithing.

The problem is the English language doesn't have a corresponding verb to the noun Pistis, where we get our English word Faith, like the Greek does. So the translators were forced to choose a different word to translate possibly the most important word in the Holy Scriptures. They chose the words believe, believer, and believing, which are a part of NT saving Faith, but taken on their own is error.

True NT saving Faith, pisteuo, is a verb, "an act based upon a Belief, sustained by confidence." We fulfill hundreds of acts of pisteuo or faithing every day all day. Each act of pisteuo or faithing is a specific act, based upon a specific belief, sustained by a specific kind of confidence.

NT saving Faith or pisteuo is specifically surrendering our life and will to Him. Based upon the specific belief that God will accept, maintain, sustain, transform the surrendered life. Sustained by a specific kind of confidence, in making the many daily decisions that support the fact our lives are not ours anymore but His now.

The question was asked, " what does the surrendered life look like in the Temporal.?"

To keep the surrender genuine, I can only show you what the beginning looks like, or how to start it.

God, I offer myself to thee, to have with me and to build with me as thou wills. Relieve me from the bondage of self, that victory over this may bear witness to those I would help of thy power, thy love, and thy way of life. May I do thy will always. Amen

My creator, I am now willing that you should have all of me, the good and the bad. I pray that you now remove from me every single defect of character that stands in the way of my usefulness to you and my fellows. Grant me strength, as í go out from here to do thy bidding. Amen.

This is what the surrendered life begins like, is maintained like, and is completed like, putting everything in His hands continually.

As a tool to maintain the covenant, the contract, the personal relationship with God, the surrendered life or offering of ourselves to Him must be done a new every day. All day sometimes if needed.

When we see our surrendered life starts to look like what's being recited in those prayers, we know He is doing His part!

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You've already been called out for misrepresentation and poor understanding.
Cool just found the ignore , your teaching me alot tonight! Thank you! Bye!