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That's because you believe in heresy by the standard of the Nicene creed.
Seeing that the Nicene creed is a religion document rather than Ca christian one, That statement means nothing to me at all.
 
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I think it was Tolstoy who said, “The problem with Christianity is that no one has ever tried it,” meaning, I guess, that we call ourselves Christians, but we never completely do what Jesus told us to do (in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, I assume).
Yes is we would all just try to be like Jesus we would be alright.

John 2:5b.... Whatsoever he (Jesus) saith unto you, do it.

If we could all obey the words of Christ, that is true Christianity. The adherence to traditions and creeds is religion.
 
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It's a "religious document" that defines Christian orthodoxy in one easy to remember string of sentences:

I believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and unseen. < Pwns polytheism
I believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, < pwns Nestorians
God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, one in being with the Father. < More monophysite pwnage
Through Him all things were made.
For us men and our salvation He came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit, He was born of the Virgin Mary , and became man.
For our sake He was crucified under Pontius Pilate; He suffered, died, and was buried. < Pwns gnostics
On the third day He rose again in fulfillment of the scriptures:
He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. <
With the Father and the Son, He is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
I believe in one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church.
I acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.


All kinds of good stuff up in there.
 
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Jehovah's Witnesses saying Jesus is not God/ claiming Jesus is Michael the archangel/ various others. I asked a Jehovah's Witness about all this and he said thats crazy, if you want to know what a witness believes you need to ask one. Don't believe all the lies you hear about other religions, your judging them about lies, God is the only judge. Why do we do that?
Are you trying to claim that Jehovah Witnessed do believe Jesus to be God, rather than Michael the Arc Angel?
 
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It's a "religious document" that defines Christian orthodoxy in one easy to remember string of sentences:

I believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and unseen.
I believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, one in being with the Father.
Through Him all things were made.
For us men and our salvation He came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit, He was born of the Virgin Mary , and became man.
For our sake He was crucified under Pontius Pilate; He suffered, died, and was buried.
On the third day He rose again in fulfillment of the scriptures:
He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son, He is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
I believe in one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church.
I acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.
I see nothing in this religious document that would not line up with what I believe about God the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. Yet Mahogony claims that this creed says i am a heretic? I don;t see it? I agree with all that is said here.


P.S. although there are other creeds that i would have disagreement with, but not this one. ;)
 
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You'd know what "true Christianity" is wouldn't you Watchmen.
 
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I see nothing in this religious document that would not line up with what I believe about God the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. Yet Mahogony claims that this creed says i am a heretic? I don;t see it? I agree with all that is said here.

You say this only four posts after you said the Nicene creed is not a christian document, now you agree with it?

In case you didn't know, the Nicene creed is ultimately about the Trinity.
 
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You say this only four posts after you said the Nicene creed is not a christian document, now you agree with it?

In case you didn't know, the Nicene creed is ultimately about the Trinity.
Just because I agree with this religious statement doesn;t suddenly make it less religious and more christian.
 
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the Nicene creed is ultimately about the Trinity.
As a non trinitarian, I agree with everything written in that about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. According to your understanding of what the document is saying you ''think'' it is talking about a Trinity. I can agree with what it says and not come away with a trinitarian understanding of it.
 
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Just because I agree with this religious statement doesn;t suddenly make it less religious and more christian.
It seems you define religion as "non-christian". You basically said in post #41 that it is not a christian document and that it means nothing to you at all. Then you say you agree with it, so you are admitting that you agree with what you would call a "non-christian document".
 
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It seems you define religion as "non-christian". You basically said in post #41 that it is not a christian document and that it means nothing to you at all. Then you say you agree with it, so you are admitting that you agree with what you would call a "non-christian document".
It is a religious document. There is nothing in what suaso posted that I would disagree with, end of story.
 
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I believe a Christian to be one who is a disciple of Christ. Explain to me how a document can be Christian?
So you don't believe the bible is a Christian book?

A document is Christian if it is written by a Christian and or contains Christian truths, I would think.
 
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So you don't believe the bible is a Christian book?
The bible a religious document that all true Christians would adhere to. As for the Nicene creed although I agree with it, that does not mean all Christians MUST adhere to it, as we should the bible.

A document is Christian if it is written by a Christian and or contains Christian truths, I would think.
I disagree. A Christian could write a document that contains both christian truths, and fallacy in it. That does not make it a christian document.
 
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How about &#8220;practical&#8221; things such as the type of worship service you have, the Sunday school program, the degree to which strangers are welcomed into the church, the integrity and humility of the church members, especially the leaders, social outreach, and the like?
You definitely need a pastor that preaches the Word of God, not his own personal views.

I think that a good church should be mission minded and have a strong desire to see lost people come to know Jesus.

Discipleship Training classes should be provided (different ones for different age groups and different levels of spiritual maturity)

In a good church, there are no divisions, especially over petty things like what color the carpet should be. ( I really know of a church that actually split b/c of that!)

I think that strangers and visitors should recieve a warm welcome when they come to church. They should WANT to come back.

It should be a praying church, one that constantly seeks God's will for the church and brings glory and praise to Him.

A good church is REAL! The church as a whole is enthusiastic about serving and worshiping God, seeking His will, and being about His business. Its not just going through the motions.


Those are just a few, definitely not all. I could go on and on, lol
 
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I see nothing in this religious document that would not line up with what I believe about God the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. Yet Mahogony claims that this creed says i am a heretic? I don;t see it? I agree with all that is said here.
You believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic church?
 
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The bible a religious document that all true Christians would adhere to. As for the Nicene creed although I agree with it, that does not mean all Christians MUST adhere to it, as we should the bible.
Do you think it's possible to be in accordance with the one true faith and disagree with the Nicene creed?
 
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Do you think it's possible to be in accordance with the one true faith and disagree with the Nicene creed?
I do not see anything in that particular creed that a true believer would disagree with.
 
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