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You must have mercy in your heart always. When someone does wrong to you, you must not focus on what they have done to you, but always understand that they are being manipulated by a dark spirit that is in control of their lives. You should alway consider your enemies as if they are someone that you love; you wouldn't want someone that you love to be condemn, but you'll make a plead (prayer) to God to understand them and grant mercy on them; and so you should also do the same for your enemies. if you are able to do this then you are safe from being judged.
Satan used scripture when tempting Jesus also. Yet Jesus responded with, "It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God" and "It is written again" and "for it is written."
It is easy to prove many errors by isolating and proof texting verses of scripture. Yet it is the WHOLE COUNSEL of God where truth is found, not an out of context snippet here and an out of context snippet there.
The verses you quoted are in blue. Surrounding those verses is the context of the rest of the Bible.
Isolated Proof Text Number 1
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.
If you don't follow you are no longer His sheep. If you are not following and thus not one of His sheep you can repent of your rebellion, turn to God and become one of His sheep. No MAN can pluck one of God's sheep out of Christ's hand, yet those sheep can forsake their calling and choose to serve sin and perish.
Isolated Proof Text Number 2
Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
Mat 7:1 is not teaching that a Christian is not to judge, it is a teaching against hypocritical judgment.
Rom 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
Christian's ARE to exercise righteous judgment. After all "discernment" IS judgment.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1Co 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
1Co 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1Co 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
1Co 6:4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
Isolated Proof Text Number 3
Joh 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Joh 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Joh 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
Joh 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
The context of verse 22 above in in regards to the final judgment. We are to judge the things that pertain to this life, sound doctrine, test the spirits etc. Yet we are not to judge the end of something before its time...
1Co 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.
Isolated Proof Text Number 4
Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
Mat 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
Mat 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
The context of verse 14 is simply teaching that we are to be merciful as God is merciful. It in no way is teaching that you can engage in rebellion to God and so long as you forgive someone else then you'll be automatically forgiven. Such an idea is rooted in the realm of a Bible Butcher? Do you really want to be a Bible Butcher?
The Bible can be likened to a car which in order to run has many components all working in union. It is a truism to state that "one can put gas in a car and it will get them from point A to B" yet such a truism is negated is there is no engine in the car. Likewise it is true that God will forgive us as we forgive those who trespass against us, yet such a truth is negated if we are walking according to the flesh in rebellion to God.
Don't butcher the Bible. It's a very dangerous thing to do.
Isolated Proof Text Number 5
Mat 12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
Mat 12:4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
Mat 12:6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
Mat 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
The context of Mat 12:7 is in regards to how the spirit of the law is greater than the letter. Jesus did good on the Sabbath and was condemned by the legalists for working. They sought righteousness in the letter and were totally ignorant of the spirit and thus were greatly deceived in their depravity.
2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
Isolated Proof Text Number 6
Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Jesus is teaching that it is not the outward act in and of itself that is wicked but the condition of the heart which produces unrighteous acts.
Thus he spoke of "hate as murder" and "lust as adultery." The Pharisees viewed the "external adherrance to law" as righteousness and Jesus corrected them on this by saying...
Mat 23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
Mat 23:26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
Mat 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Mat 23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
Which is why Jesus would say...
Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
The issue is HEART PURITY.
Therefore we must (in a figurative sense) do this...
Mat 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Mat 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Whereby we do this...
Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Which will result in this...
Mat 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
No love = No salvation.
It is easy to prove many errors by isolating and proof texting verses of scripture. Yet it is the WHOLE COUNSEL of God where truth is found, not an out of context snippet here and an out of context snippet there.
The verses you quoted are in blue. Surrounding those verses is the context of the rest of the Bible.
Isolated Proof Text Number 1
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.
If you don't follow you are no longer His sheep. If you are not following and thus not one of His sheep you can repent of your rebellion, turn to God and become one of His sheep. No MAN can pluck one of God's sheep out of Christ's hand, yet those sheep can forsake their calling and choose to serve sin and perish.
Isolated Proof Text Number 2
Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
Mat 7:1 is not teaching that a Christian is not to judge, it is a teaching against hypocritical judgment.
Rom 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
Christian's ARE to exercise righteous judgment. After all "discernment" IS judgment.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1Co 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
1Co 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1Co 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
1Co 6:4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
Isolated Proof Text Number 3
Joh 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Joh 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Joh 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
Joh 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
The context of verse 22 above in in regards to the final judgment. We are to judge the things that pertain to this life, sound doctrine, test the spirits etc. Yet we are not to judge the end of something before its time...
1Co 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.
Isolated Proof Text Number 4
Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
Mat 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
Mat 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
The context of verse 14 is simply teaching that we are to be merciful as God is merciful. It in no way is teaching that you can engage in rebellion to God and so long as you forgive someone else then you'll be automatically forgiven. Such an idea is rooted in the realm of a Bible Butcher? Do you really want to be a Bible Butcher?
The Bible can be likened to a car which in order to run has many components all working in union. It is a truism to state that "one can put gas in a car and it will get them from point A to B" yet such a truism is negated is there is no engine in the car. Likewise it is true that God will forgive us as we forgive those who trespass against us, yet such a truth is negated if we are walking according to the flesh in rebellion to God.
Don't butcher the Bible. It's a very dangerous thing to do.
Isolated Proof Text Number 5
Mat 12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
Mat 12:4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
Mat 12:6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
Mat 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
The context of Mat 12:7 is in regards to how the spirit of the law is greater than the letter. Jesus did good on the Sabbath and was condemned by the legalists for working. They sought righteousness in the letter and were totally ignorant of the spirit and thus were greatly deceived in their depravity.
2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
Isolated Proof Text Number 6
Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Jesus is teaching that it is not the outward act in and of itself that is wicked but the condition of the heart which produces unrighteous acts.
Thus he spoke of "hate as murder" and "lust as adultery." The Pharisees viewed the "external adherrance to law" as righteousness and Jesus corrected them on this by saying...
Mat 23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
Mat 23:26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
Mat 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Mat 23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
Which is why Jesus would say...
Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
The issue is HEART PURITY.
Therefore we must (in a figurative sense) do this...
Mat 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Mat 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Whereby we do this...
Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Which will result in this...
Mat 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
No love = No salvation.
If you are walking in the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ you will not be lusting after half dressed women on a billboard. You will rather be bringing every thought into subjection to Christ and thus enduring temptation by taking the way of escape.
The gospel message has been so perverted today that very few people can perceive what abiding in Christ actually is. The vast majority of professing Christianity has been deceived into believing that an abstract provision was made on their behalf which serves as a cloak for their ongoing defilement.
Do you think Jesus would lust after half dressed women on a billboard? If not then why cannot you walk as He walked by abiding in His Spirit? Is the flesh more powerful than the Spirit?
The gospel message has been so perverted today that very few people can perceive what abiding in Christ actually is. The vast majority of professing Christianity has been deceived into believing that an abstract provision was made on their behalf which serves as a cloak for their ongoing defilement.
Do you think Jesus would lust after half dressed women on a billboard? If not then why cannot you walk as He walked by abiding in His Spirit? Is the flesh more powerful than the Spirit?
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Well, I see no one here has thought to answer the question "Why did the person commit suicide?"
Usually, one has to be extremely depressed to even consider taking their own life. That means that their brain is not working properly, because the neurotransmitters are not doing their job. This can be caused by situations, or just the brain is wired strangely. That is not sin, but a disease! I don't see anywhere in the Bible we are punished because we have a disease!
I am still looking for the Bible verse that says suicide is a sin. I agree suicide is a terrible thing, but so is depression. If you have never suffered serious depression, praise God that you have not!!
I have been through deep periods of depression in my life, and it was only the grace of God and my family that got me through. One thing I learned, is that we do NOT lose our salvation for sin. This entire theology that we lose our salvation every time we commit a sin is nonsense. There are so many sins we commit on a daily basis, from anger to lust, from pride to selfishness, that if we had to depend on our own righteousness, none of us would be saved.
Always remember, it is God who saves!! Not ourselves (Eph. 2:8-9). People need to learn compassion and stop boasting that they know everything about the hearts and lives of people.
"God is love." 1 John 4:8,16.
"For this reason I bow my knees before the Father, [SUP]15 [/SUP]from whom every family in heaven and on earth is named,[SUP]16 [/SUP]that according to the riches of his glory he may grant you to be strengthened with power through his Spirit in your inner being, [SUP]17 [/SUP]so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith—that you, being rooted and grounded in love,[SUP]18 [/SUP]may have strength to comprehend with all the saints what is the breadth and length and height and depth, [SUP]19[/SUP]and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.[SUP]20 [/SUP]Now to him who is able to do far more abundantly than all that we ask or think, according to the power at work within us, [SUP]21 [/SUP]to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, forever and ever. Amen." Eph. 3:14-21
God's love means that he saved us when we were sinners, and we will be saved if we believe in him, even if life takes some very terrible downturns.
"But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." Romans 5:8
I think living in chronic pain has helped give me compassion towards those who are suffering mentally and physically. Instead of sitting in judgment on those who have been forced into a corner, and taken their own lives, we should be helping the families of those who are facing the terrible knowledge of suicide. God wants us to comfort those who are suffering.
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, [SUP]4 [/SUP]who comforts us in all our affliction, so that we may be able to comfort those who are in any affliction, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For as we share abundantly in Christ's sufferings, so through Christ we share abundantly in comfort too." 2 Cor. 1:3-5
Usually, one has to be extremely depressed to even consider taking their own life. That means that their brain is not working properly, because the neurotransmitters are not doing their job. This can be caused by situations, or just the brain is wired strangely. That is not sin, but a disease! I don't see anywhere in the Bible we are punished because we have a disease!
I am still looking for the Bible verse that says suicide is a sin. I agree suicide is a terrible thing, but so is depression. If you have never suffered serious depression, praise God that you have not!!
I have been through deep periods of depression in my life, and it was only the grace of God and my family that got me through. One thing I learned, is that we do NOT lose our salvation for sin. This entire theology that we lose our salvation every time we commit a sin is nonsense. There are so many sins we commit on a daily basis, from anger to lust, from pride to selfishness, that if we had to depend on our own righteousness, none of us would be saved.
Always remember, it is God who saves!! Not ourselves (Eph. 2:8-9). People need to learn compassion and stop boasting that they know everything about the hearts and lives of people.
"God is love." 1 John 4:8,16.
"For this reason I bow my knees before the Father, [SUP]15 [/SUP]from whom every family in heaven and on earth is named,[SUP]16 [/SUP]that according to the riches of his glory he may grant you to be strengthened with power through his Spirit in your inner being, [SUP]17 [/SUP]so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith—that you, being rooted and grounded in love,[SUP]18 [/SUP]may have strength to comprehend with all the saints what is the breadth and length and height and depth, [SUP]19[/SUP]and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.[SUP]20 [/SUP]Now to him who is able to do far more abundantly than all that we ask or think, according to the power at work within us, [SUP]21 [/SUP]to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, forever and ever. Amen." Eph. 3:14-21
God's love means that he saved us when we were sinners, and we will be saved if we believe in him, even if life takes some very terrible downturns.
"But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." Romans 5:8
I think living in chronic pain has helped give me compassion towards those who are suffering mentally and physically. Instead of sitting in judgment on those who have been forced into a corner, and taken their own lives, we should be helping the families of those who are facing the terrible knowledge of suicide. God wants us to comfort those who are suffering.
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, [SUP]4 [/SUP]who comforts us in all our affliction, so that we may be able to comfort those who are in any affliction, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For as we share abundantly in Christ's sufferings, so through Christ we share abundantly in comfort too." 2 Cor. 1:3-5
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No one has gone into the lake of fire yet. and that is a blotting out. .. But they do go before Christ and who is in heaven. Maybe not on the side of the gulf God is . But they are there. ( Luke 16:19-31 ) kjv
Also:
2 Corinthians 5:10
King James Version (KJV)
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
I remember bunch more to read if you want to chat . Or I can recommend a good bible teacher... But we don't serve a God that would torture anyone. Or judge people to hell who where going through only God knows what.
Also:
2 Corinthians 5:10
King James Version (KJV)
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
I remember bunch more to read if you want to chat . Or I can recommend a good bible teacher... But we don't serve a God that would torture anyone. Or judge people to hell who where going through only God knows what.
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You are absolutely correct.
Many will use the previous verse (vs. 15) to defend "you can sin and not surely die" as if it cancels out what Paul said in the next verses...
1 Cor 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1 Cor 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
If Paul was really suggesting in verse 15 that no sin the Corinthian church commit could bring them under condemnation then verse 16 and 17 would be utterly meaningless for they COULD in fact destroy God's temple (their bodies) and not be destroyed. Now does the bible contradict itself?
Furthermore, Paul told the Corinthian church this:
1 Cor 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1 Cor 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
And this to the churches of Galatia:
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
If Paul really meant that the Corinthian believers could commit whatever sin they want (suicide, mass murder, fornication, etc) and still go to heaven to suffer loss of rewards then he wouldn't have been warning them a few chapters later that if they do those things they won't inherit the kingdom of God.
Unfortunately Satan has succeeded in injecting this apostate doctrine into the churches that Christians can walk after the flesh and still be assured of heaven. Such ideology is an abuse of God’s grace and Apostle Jude spoke about it: Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
It's too bad so many have fallen for this Satanic deception.
Many will use the previous verse (vs. 15) to defend "you can sin and not surely die" as if it cancels out what Paul said in the next verses...
1 Cor 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1 Cor 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
If Paul was really suggesting in verse 15 that no sin the Corinthian church commit could bring them under condemnation then verse 16 and 17 would be utterly meaningless for they COULD in fact destroy God's temple (their bodies) and not be destroyed. Now does the bible contradict itself?
Furthermore, Paul told the Corinthian church this:
1 Cor 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1 Cor 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
And this to the churches of Galatia:
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
If Paul really meant that the Corinthian believers could commit whatever sin they want (suicide, mass murder, fornication, etc) and still go to heaven to suffer loss of rewards then he wouldn't have been warning them a few chapters later that if they do those things they won't inherit the kingdom of God.
Unfortunately Satan has succeeded in injecting this apostate doctrine into the churches that Christians can walk after the flesh and still be assured of heaven. Such ideology is an abuse of God’s grace and Apostle Jude spoke about it: Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
It's too bad so many have fallen for this Satanic deception.
The true question is how can someone with the holyspirit kill themselves with there own hands? ANSWER : Not possible
thats not the Gospel of Jesus Christ we are to do the work of the father, and spread the gospel to the ends of the earth the good news, all the prophets and apostle were in hard situation but they had 'FAITH' in God, if a teacher teaches suicide will get you into heaven it is not from God word, Because if that was true then what happend to 'FAITH' ?
After reading this i had this on my mind a couple of days ago also
If one trully trust the works of the Father in Heaven, by giving us underserve kindness, his son Jesus Christ on the cross, and the holyspirit that is true and not a lie
How can a true beliver that has 'FAITH' in our Lord Jesus Christ do such thing?
Name one person in the word of God, that killed themselves with there own hands, that belive and had faith in God?
what would happend to hebrews 2:18 ??? is he not there to help you in all situation?
what will happend to hebrews 11 they all had faith in God and not themselves?
depression,lost family member, Job situation,etc
Does God not cover all these situation , his word is true are they not if we have 'FAITH' in him
Did he not cover all of there situations, from the prophets and those that belive from moses to you?
2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
Revelation 21:8 But the 'FEARFUL', and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
thats not the Gospel of Jesus Christ we are to do the work of the father, and spread the gospel to the ends of the earth the good news, all the prophets and apostle were in hard situation but they had 'FAITH' in God, if a teacher teaches suicide will get you into heaven it is not from God word, Because if that was true then what happend to 'FAITH' ?
After reading this i had this on my mind a couple of days ago also
If one trully trust the works of the Father in Heaven, by giving us underserve kindness, his son Jesus Christ on the cross, and the holyspirit that is true and not a lie
How can a true beliver that has 'FAITH' in our Lord Jesus Christ do such thing?
Name one person in the word of God, that killed themselves with there own hands, that belive and had faith in God?
what would happend to hebrews 2:18 ??? is he not there to help you in all situation?
what will happend to hebrews 11 they all had faith in God and not themselves?
depression,lost family member, Job situation,etc
Does God not cover all these situation , his word is true are they not if we have 'FAITH' in him
Did he not cover all of there situations, from the prophets and those that belive from moses to you?
2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
Revelation 21:8 But the 'FEARFUL', and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Strong's Greek deilos: cowardly, fearful
1169/deilós ("fearful of losses") refers to an excessive fear (dread) of "losing," causing someone to be fainthearted (cowardly) – hence, to fall short in following Christ as Lord.
im going to write a blog on this with more detail , God bless everyone in Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior
and trust God
1169/deilós ("fearful of losses") refers to an excessive fear (dread) of "losing," causing someone to be fainthearted (cowardly) – hence, to fall short in following Christ as Lord.
im going to write a blog on this with more detail , God bless everyone in Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior
and trust God
This is the sickness born of the heretical teachings of the father of Protestantism, Martin Luther.
"Be a sinner, and sin boldly... No sin will separate us from the Lamb, even though we commit fornication and murder a thousand times a day."
- Martin Luther
Ugh. Don't believe him, folks. This goes completely contrary to the teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ and His apostles.
It's no wonder we hear this sort of junk like the pastor in the OP's post said. Reminds me of a t-shirt I saw a Lutheran neighbor of mine wearing recently which read "SIN BOLDLY", quoting his hero Luther. Endorsing sin and encouraging others to sin. Even murder.
While we cannot fathom the mercy of God, Christ warns us sternly against wolves like Luther who lead people to hell. Suicide is a terribly grave mortal sin and puts one terrible danger of eternal hellfire. Don't even go there.
J
I have always believed that a person committing suicide would go to hell to suffer eternal punishment. But I dare not tell anyone that their loved one who took their life that they are not with GOD cause really I don't know that persons last moments of their life. what if they repented after they changed their mind and it was too late because the process of death has already taken hold of there body.
So I believe it is a sin, but I let GOD do the "enter thou good and faithful servant" bit because HE knows all and I don't.
oh and the bit of them reliving their final moments or something in hell over and over again, I think that was from greek mythology of the underworld. I could be wrong but I do believe I heard it like that.
So I believe it is a sin, but I let GOD do the "enter thou good and faithful servant" bit because HE knows all and I don't.
oh and the bit of them reliving their final moments or something in hell over and over again, I think that was from greek mythology of the underworld. I could be wrong but I do believe I heard it like that.
The issue here is that we think that everyone that is sinning normal repents and for suicide we cannot repent. But we do sometimes repent in general and have no clue that we sinned because we are blinded.
For example...if I did have pride in my heart, and I did die suddenly because of a car-accident do I go to heaven? What if I did not repent on that time because I did not know I had pride in my heart? Is all sin a sin that can lead to (immediately) death/hell?
If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.1 Joh 5:16, 17
The same with suicide. Based on what do we know this is a sin to death?
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. 1 Cor 3:17
This verse is about works. How we build on the fundament. How we treat God and His living place.
One could say, how we treat our body is important because it is Gods living place, that's true...
So....when a person is eating too much is he or she defiling their body? Yes
When a person is driving too hard....is he she defiling their body? Yes
When a person is pride is he or she defiling their body? Yes
Do persons that do this go to heaven? hhmmm
How can anyone know the mind and situation this suicidal person had, and how he/she was suffering? I don't, but God does. So God knows if a suicidal is a sin to death yes or no.
God does judge the heart.
For example...if I did have pride in my heart, and I did die suddenly because of a car-accident do I go to heaven? What if I did not repent on that time because I did not know I had pride in my heart? Is all sin a sin that can lead to (immediately) death/hell?
If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.1 Joh 5:16, 17
The same with suicide. Based on what do we know this is a sin to death?
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. 1 Cor 3:17
This verse is about works. How we build on the fundament. How we treat God and His living place.
One could say, how we treat our body is important because it is Gods living place, that's true...
So....when a person is eating too much is he or she defiling their body? Yes
When a person is driving too hard....is he she defiling their body? Yes
When a person is pride is he or she defiling their body? Yes
Do persons that do this go to heaven? hhmmm
How can anyone know the mind and situation this suicidal person had, and how he/she was suffering? I don't, but God does. So God knows if a suicidal is a sin to death yes or no.
God does judge the heart.
We know that Christ is our salvation, and He is pictured as a lamb. Some people look on Him as their most understanding, sympathetic friend. Christ is all of that but He is also a judge. When He comes again it will be with a sword, and Revelation gives a terrible account of His judgment.
Where will suicide fall in that judgment? Even people who love God the most mess up and don't do just as God wants. There are people who think they simply can't live because their medication is not right, not because they have let their thoughts run away with them.
I think God judges individually, rather than by strict rules. I think God looks at the heart of the person who does this.
Where will suicide fall in that judgment? Even people who love God the most mess up and don't do just as God wants. There are people who think they simply can't live because their medication is not right, not because they have let their thoughts run away with them.
I think God judges individually, rather than by strict rules. I think God looks at the heart of the person who does this.
Yes He judges by each individual, but the ones that has been covered with the Blood , will be exempt from being judged and those are the ones that are on His right.
Genesis 3:12The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”
Matthew 17:26“From others,” Peter answered. “Then the children are exempt,” Jesus said to him.
Matthew 20:21“What is it you want?” he asked. She said, “Grant that one of these two sons of mine may sit at your right and the other at your left in your kingdom.”
Matthew 15
23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”
24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.
26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”
27 “Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”
28 Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.
Genesis 3:12The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”
Matthew 17:26“From others,” Peter answered. “Then the children are exempt,” Jesus said to him.
Matthew 20:21“What is it you want?” he asked. She said, “Grant that one of these two sons of mine may sit at your right and the other at your left in your kingdom.”
Matthew 15
23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”
24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.
26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”
27 “Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”
28 Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.
C
Hey Gia;
Shurely nobody ca assure anybody else, where somebody goes when he/she dies, that´s given to God only to decide.
But i also know that god said:
""Thou shall not kill"", whether somebody kills another person or his/herself; that commandement is klear:
""Thou shall not kill""!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shurely nobody ca assure anybody else, where somebody goes when he/she dies, that´s given to God only to decide.
But i also know that god said:
""Thou shall not kill"", whether somebody kills another person or his/herself; that commandement is klear:
""Thou shall not kill""!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!