A Question about Free Will, Hell and how it is all set up.
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If a glass is perfectly full, can it be fuller?
If God has no end, if He is everywhere and if He knows everything, there is no possible influence that could be new to Him and therefore to change Him in any way.
Therefore God is eternally stable and unchangable.
This is what even philosophers 2,500 years ago knew.
Regarding Scripture, the promise would be "I will not change", not "God does not change". The second one is a statement.
"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever." Heb 13:8
"Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change" James 1:17
If God has no end, if He is everywhere and if He knows everything, there is no possible influence that could be new to Him and therefore to change Him in any way.
Therefore God is eternally stable and unchangable.
This is what even philosophers 2,500 years ago knew.
Regarding Scripture, the promise would be "I will not change", not "God does not change". The second one is a statement.
"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever." Heb 13:8
"Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change" James 1:17
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Regarding the glass, it can be filled perfectly and God can then change what is perfect. In this way, the glass could be filled more.
Luke 22:19 "And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.""
This is also a statement and not a promise. But I, along with many others, still believe that communion bread is not actually Jesus' flesh.
Luke 22:19 "And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.""
This is also a statement and not a promise. But I, along with many others, still believe that communion bread is not actually Jesus' flesh.
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The premise is off.
In persuasive writing, a person starts with a premise, then backs it up with understanding, and then ends it having believed he/she proved the premise. The problem surfaces when the premise is wrong to begin with.
For instance, I can go into great depth on how cats are black. I can show a history of cats, photos of black cats, and keep on going, except for one minor detail. Not all cats are black.
The reason you're having trouble making this all make sense is because your premise is wrong. Man does not have free will.
Now, plenty of people will come on here to argue free will, as that is quite a thing to argue on here, but I ask you to do something. Prove to yourself your premise is wrong. Look to the Bible for where it teaches free will, and see where "free will" is any kind of attribute God gives to Man. Oddly enough, you'll be able to find one example. Adam and Eve. Something changed when they used that free will inappropriately. And then what happened?
"Free will" is not the gospel message. It's been an add-on implanted because Man likes to think we had some good sense somewhere long the line. But, then again, when you read the Bible one of the things you start noticing is we never use good sense when it comes to God.
In persuasive writing, a person starts with a premise, then backs it up with understanding, and then ends it having believed he/she proved the premise. The problem surfaces when the premise is wrong to begin with.
For instance, I can go into great depth on how cats are black. I can show a history of cats, photos of black cats, and keep on going, except for one minor detail. Not all cats are black.
The reason you're having trouble making this all make sense is because your premise is wrong. Man does not have free will.
Now, plenty of people will come on here to argue free will, as that is quite a thing to argue on here, but I ask you to do something. Prove to yourself your premise is wrong. Look to the Bible for where it teaches free will, and see where "free will" is any kind of attribute God gives to Man. Oddly enough, you'll be able to find one example. Adam and Eve. Something changed when they used that free will inappropriately. And then what happened?
"Free will" is not the gospel message. It's been an add-on implanted because Man likes to think we had some good sense somewhere long the line. But, then again, when you read the Bible one of the things you start noticing is we never use good sense when it comes to God.
Do you agree with His spiritual understanding, or like the apostate unbelieving Jews who did not have ears to hear what the Spirit is saying according to His understanding? Free will is to do His will as he works in the believer to both will and perform His good pleasure.
The other one possibility is if we do the will of the god of this world .Christ is the only free agent. His yoke is easy seeing he has paid the full price as to the wage of sin.
The other one possibility is if we do the will of the god of this world .Christ is the only free agent. His yoke is easy seeing he has paid the full price as to the wage of sin.
Isaiah 29:16
Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?
Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?
First understand that th Bible was translated with the intent to steer people into believing in one God. The term translated as God means gods pleural. That’s where you should start. Sometimes it means God of gods but usually means gods (heavenly beings). That’s why sometimes it specifies Lord (Jehovah) God (elohim). The Spirit of God or Holy Spirit may be describing something (someone) separate. All things in an egg are part of the egg, but the yolk is not the white, the white is not the shell. You are giving properties of one to the other. They are separate with different qualities. Christianity puts them all under one banner, “God”. That is why there are disputes.
The choice is not God's but man's. God has given mankind the Good News -- the Gospel -- which is that none should face eternal Hell. But people must either obey or disobey the Gospel, since they do have free will. God does not elect some for salvation and others for damnation, neither can He elect all for salvation arbitrarily.
It already works, and you already don't understand. What you continue to do is reject God's plan and purposes for humanity. You reject His sovereignty, and think there is or could be something better. You place yourself above God in doing so.
You can say it sure. But it would not be true. You seem to have trouble distinguishing what is true from what is false. I am not the one here complaining about how God in His infinite wisdom has decided to do things. I hope you get right with God.
You, we are all born into sin and we all need to be saved and set free from it.
You will find the root cause of all people who deny Jesus and don't want His gift of salvation is because they love sin, whether they know it or not.
I look back in hindsight on myself and see I denied Jesus for years because I loved sin and didn't want to let it go.
You will find the root cause of all people who deny Jesus and don't want His gift of salvation is because they love sin, whether they know it or not.
I look back in hindsight on myself and see I denied Jesus for years because I loved sin and didn't want to let it go.
That statement is wrong. There are things that Omnipotent God can't do. He can't lie; Titus 1:2, Hebrews 6:17. God's inability to lie doesn't deny His omnipotence.
God's inability to make a human that's not a robot and yet is a robot, doesn't deny His omnipotence. It denies that He's double-tongued. Truth is power and lies are the lack of power.
No He can't, and no it's not.
God's inability to make a human that's not a robot and yet is a robot, doesn't deny His omnipotence. It denies that He's double-tongued. Truth is power and lies are the lack of power.
No He can't, and no it's not.
Lucifer was one of the highest angels he was favored by God he was a guardian cherub but when God made man (Adam) he made him in his own image, and man was to be above the angels
And lucifer became jealous and thats when he turned into satan the father of lies. He was so jealous that he caused the fall of man and he did it by deceiving eve into eating the apple not only did she eat it she shared it with adam. free will what is the point? Well since adam and eve were expelled from The garden of eden (they were seperated from God) the lived on earth and as convicted sinners they bore children ~natural born sinners ( thats us)~we were born into a life seperated from God that free will you are questioning isnt a free choice to sin its a free choice to accept and obey God and if we choose that way of life we dont have to suffer the fate of sinners which we would have had to because again we are natural born sinners because we come from sinners. That free choice isnt a door to leave its a door to go home. Does that make sense?
And lucifer became jealous and thats when he turned into satan the father of lies. He was so jealous that he caused the fall of man and he did it by deceiving eve into eating the apple not only did she eat it she shared it with adam. free will what is the point? Well since adam and eve were expelled from The garden of eden (they were seperated from God) the lived on earth and as convicted sinners they bore children ~natural born sinners ( thats us)~we were born into a life seperated from God that free will you are questioning isnt a free choice to sin its a free choice to accept and obey God and if we choose that way of life we dont have to suffer the fate of sinners which we would have had to because again we are natural born sinners because we come from sinners. That free choice isnt a door to leave its a door to go home. Does that make sense?
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Perhaps an issue you are facing is your definition of "omnipotent". Omnipotent does not mean God can do anything. It means He can do anything within His character and values.
For some reason (we can only speculate as to why), it is consistent within God's character to not save everyone.
I think it is an excellent question you ask, and I have asked the same from time to time. I regularly pray that God would save everyone, but I don't think He will, and I really don't understand why. Lately, I am more and more just praying for the people He has chosen to save.
I think you should continue to seek answers to this and like minded questions. Who knows? Perhaps God will lead you to the answer, but unfortunately, it is not the kind of thing an average Christian is likely to have an answer for. And, as shown above, many will not even understand the question clearly.
I think you have been responding to the questions in a mature manner and I commend you for that. I also encourage you to continue searching for these kinds of answers. It is a way we seek the truth of God.
I also want to mention that although God wants us to seek the answers to such questions, it is not the most important thing He wants from us. Most of all, He wants us to love Him back for all the love He has shown to us, and to reflect that love to the world around us. But the more we can answer the kinds of questions you ask, the better we can show His love to certain groups of people, and the more fully we can enjoy and understand God's truth and wisdom.
I suggest that God does not do things because they are good, but they are good because God does them. God is the definition of good. That which is like God is good, and that which is not like God is not good.
God cannot do evil because that is contrary to who and what He is. God can only do good because He is the definition of good. God cannot lie because He is the definition of what is true.