A Study of Torah from Gen. - Rev.

[miknik5]

It's interesting that the covering of skins seems to have been overlooked for the firmament

The reason for the covering for man is what GOD foreknew from the beginning to the end
what man would become


And though HIS first command said do not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, HE never said if, maybe perchance if you do, but rather HE said IN THE DAY that you do

Sgowinf this is what GOD already foreknew
That there would be "THE DAY" when Adam/we/mankind would

But GOD who can see one day as a year not only knew Adam/our/mankind's fall...HE more importantly, knew the victory in HIS SON

And animal skin coverings were temporal until the BRIDEGROOM would come and cover us with the ONLY WEDDING GARMENT needed st THE WEDDING SUPPER of THE LAMB

Nobody can come to THAT WEDDING without that GARMENT

 

[miknik5]

And why are you offended by THE TRUTH

 

[Dan_473]

Sorry I really need to cal it a day. I am hurting so badly that I am losing my train of thought. Please forgive me, I will get this finished tomorrow.

o Lord, be with my brother Rainrider and give him comfort, plzzzzzzz!!!

 

[miknik5]

I'm sorry for your pain
i am leaving your study because I don't want to add to your challenge

I disagree with your insight very much, but I don't want to be the cause of additional discomfort to you

 

[Blik]

The light of man? What this really means may be debated for many years to come. What we do know is that Yeshua is the Light, and that His light shines in all that truly follow His teachings. More often than not you will find that people see this light of man as Yeshua. This is one point that is backed as we move on.
Jhn 1:9 That was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world.
Jhn 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.
Jhn 1:14 ¶And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

If the Word was with, and was God, then one can conclude that Thw word did not need to be created. Also if everything that was created was created through the Word, then it stands clear that the Word, by HaShem, is not a creation. There are some other points I will be making as we turn back to Gen.1. .

If you go back to the Hebrew, I don't think this scripture is unclear at all. I do not know Hebrew but I study with someone who does.

In Gen. 1:2 the Hebrew word for darkness is choshak. That is not an absence of light from a light source such as the sun but the meaning is there was no good in it, it was evil. In the same way, in verse 3 the Hebrew word is Owr, and that has nothing to do with light emitting from a light source. It is all goodness, all joy, all comfort, etc.

It isn't until verse 14 that we are told of God creating a light from a light source such as the sun and moon, a Hebrew word maor.

John 1:9-14 is truly one of the most beautiful passages in the entire bible.

 

[Rainrider]

I'm sorry for your pain
i am leaving your study because I don't want to add to your challenge

I disagree with your insight very much, but I don't want to be the cause of additional discomfort to you

You do know that I really don't mind folks disagreeing with me. It is there that we find a better understanding.

Like I said, it is your unfounded accusations that turn my ear. I use the word unfounded, as they are based in any from of truth at all, I leave it to HaShem to judge that not me.

 

[miknik5]

You do know that I really don't mind folks disagreeing with me. It is there that we find a better understanding.

Like I said, it is your unfounded accusations that turn my ear. I use the word unfounded, as they are based in any from of truth at all, I leave it to HaShem to judge that not me.

I don't understand what you're saying

 

[Rainrider]

I don't understand what you're saying

Answered in PM.

 

[Rainrider]

Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

Here we find grass, herbs, and fruit. We also find that once more it is called good. As life begins to show up on earth, they need food, and water. As we know, plaints must have light to grow. Just as ma was going to eat the fruit, and herbs. So one can take away that anything that sustains life must be good. I know He did not call the light good, yet it does sustain life. The answer there may well be some insight you haven't gotten before.

Gen 1:14 ¶Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years;
Gen 1:15 “and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so.
Gen 1:16 Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also.

 

[Rainrider]

Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

Here we find grass, herbs, and fruit. We also find that once more it is called good. As life begins to show up on earth, they need food, and water. As we know, plaints must have light to grow. Just as ma was going to eat the fruit, and herbs. So one can take away that anything that sustains life must be good. I know He did not call the light good, yet it does sustain life. The answer there may well be some insight you haven't gotten before.

Gen 1:14 ¶Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years;
Gen 1:15 “and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so.
Gen 1:16 Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also.

Sorry not sure how I posted that when I wasn't done.

Gen 1:17 God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth,
Gen 1:18 and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:19 So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

There some that teach, the first light was the Glory of HaShem, and in it, no man could live. Hens it was not life giving light, for man kind. Seeing that this light would kil man, He replaced it with a lesser light, and created both day and night. The first light was not done away with, rather it was set aside for use on the next earth. Blik pointed to this in his post, and done a good job I might add.

Now the lesser light that was given to rule the day, here is called the greater of the 2. Yet as we seen they are called great lights. This may well be that they were great, as in they can light the day and night, mark the seasons, and days. Yet they were not the same light. I know that what was just said is nothing more than what one thinks. Yet it is food for thought.
The other teaching on this that I know of, tells us that the first light, somehow was not strong enough to dispel the darkness, so had to be replaced.

The funny part is, both point to a day when Man would be redeemed. It also eludes to Yeshua. Is Yeshua not called the light of the world?
Jhn 8:12 Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.”

So do we think Yeshua was trying to tell us the sun that worms our day is Him? I think not. It may well be however that He was talking of being 2 kinds of light. First the light that fills the soul of all that turn to Him. The Holy Spirit, would be that light, as we already talked about, and shown what some wish to point to as being 3 entities, is in fact one. So if we speak of on, we speak of all 3. It may also be that He is telling us that in the World to come, it will HaShem's glory that lights it.

Gen 1:20 ¶Then God said, “Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens.”
Gen 1:21 So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

Why would fish be good? Man was not told to eat them, same with birds. It was not until after the flood that we find man was told they could eat them. I may have this wrong, I am human and this can lead to us being wrong. Yet Fish as we know, keep the water from being over grown with Sea weed, and algae. Some may also know that there is some algae, that can kill a person. I think it is that red one, just not going to say I am more than 10% sure on that.
Birds as we all know help to spread seed, and fertilize. How can that be seen as a bad thing?

Gen 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth.”

Besides if it was good why would HaShem bless them?

 

[Rainrider]

Gen 1:24 Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, each according to its kind”; and it was so.
Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

All any one has ever said on this is that HaShem seen the use of beast for man. Though that does sound good, one must wonder, Did HaShem also see that the bees, butterflies, and others along this line were going to pollinate the trees and everything He had created? If we stop and reflect on how everything in this world is dependent on the rest of creation, We can see why it was good. Think for a second on what would come of us, if just the bees were gone. Or what if the flies were gone, along with the buzzards. We may not understand why fleas and ticks on this earth, yet if they were removed, what might come of that?

Gen 1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all[fn] the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

In our image. Who do you we think He was talking to? I know one teaching that is a bit odd, yet at the same time may answer some questions that many have asked.
That teaching tells us that HaShem let every one put a little part of themselves into man. That evil side of us, would have came from Satan. The kind and caring side from Yeshua, and so on. Though I don't follow this teaching, as it is a bit to odd for me, I can see where it comes from.

As for me, I like to think that we are made in His image, in that we have a soul. The spirit with in us all, is what sets us apart from all other things on this earth. As for the we, I like to think He was talking to the angles, and letting them know that ma would have a spirit, and would some day come home to live with them in Heaven.

Gen 1:27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
Gen 1:28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

What does it mean for us to subdue, and take dominion over the earth, and all that is in it? Some say it means we are to use everything that is here. Yes that is a part of it. I have heard one teacher say, that it doesn't matter what we do to the earth, or the animals, we are only here for a short time, then we get a new earth. This however I don't see as being anything like HaShem had in mid.

No He meant for us to take care of the earth, and everything in it. Does this mean that to go hunting is wrong? Not if you use what you kill. How ever to go out and kill anything then leave it, and not use any part of it, that would fall under murder in my mind. That doesn't make me right, it just makes me a conservationist. Just as most hunters are.

Gen 1:29 And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food.

As we seen after teh flood, man was told it was ok to eat meat. Yes there are laws that one should follow, just as there laws that we must follow in everyday life. He told us what was good for food, and what we shouldn't eat. Does this mean that if you eat pork, you are a lost soul? Not of me to answer sorry.
Gen 1:31 Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

It was vary good. HaShem now seeing everything working together as He pained, found it was vary good. I know this is a rather short look at Gen. 1. To really look at everything in this one chapter would take a year if not longer. I am going to take some time to let everyone get their thoughts in on this chapter. I am sure that many will have some insight I didn't cover. Besides, this my favorite chapter in the Bible. once it is studied to the point that there is nothing left to look at, in this one chapter you would find, almost every thing in the Word. Not so much the story, or the teaching, rather just how it was set into motion, and the foresight of everything that was created.

 

[miknik5]

Answered in PM.

"Thank you" for your private message to me

Now I can say that I don't agree with either your personal assessment of me or your biblical assessment of JESUS

And yes you do owe me an apology
But now you owe me two

 

[Dan_473]

GENESIS 1:29 God said, “Behold, I have given you
every herb
yielding seed, which is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree, which bears fruit yielding seed.
It will be your food.


GENESIS 9:3 Every moving thing
that lives
will be food for you.
As I gave you the green herb, I have given everything to you.


sometimes God changes
or edits
his commandments.

 

[Rainrider]

GENESIS 1:29 God said, “Behold, I have given you
every herb
yielding seed, which is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree, which bears fruit yielding seed.
It will be your food.


GENESIS 9:3 Every moving thing
that lives
will be food for you.
As I gave you the green herb, I have given everything to you.


sometimes God changes
or edits
his commandments.

This is true, yet every time He does so, it is made clear, and not hidden from sight.

 

[gotime]

This is true, yet every time He does so, it is made clear, and not hidden from sight.

Amen, It should also be noted that God has reasons for those changes. The first is in a perfect earth but note that the second is not added to until after the flood. So for some time the original was the norm.

This would indicate to my mind that there was a practical reason for the change that was made necessary by the flood itself. It should also be noted that 7 of every clean animal was taken onto the ark. It seems that God knew that the original diet would not be possible after the destruction of the flood. And they would need food supply.

Gen 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

OF the clean there were seven, I guess this is because of need for food. while the unclean which they would not eat only required two for preservation through reproduction.

 

[Rainrider]

Amen, It should also be noted that God has reasons for those changes. The first is in a perfect earth but note that the second is not added to until after the flood. So for some time the original was the norm.

This would indicate to my mind that there was a practical reason for the change that was made necessary by the flood itself. It should also be noted that 7 of every clean animal was taken onto the ark. It seems that God knew that the original diet would not be possible after the destruction of the flood. And they would need food supply.

Gen 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

OF the clean there were seven, I guess this is because of need for food. while the unclean which they would not eat only required two for preservation through reproduction.

It may also be that man had changed to the point they need new guide lines as well. The flood it's self can be seen as a new beginning for the whole earth. I once heard a teacher liken it to a new creation. I hesitate to bring that up, as I am unclear as to his full teaching in that regard.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

I heard an interesting discussion this week-end where Christian scientists said that after the flood the air changed as a result of the water now raining out of the sky and that oxygen levels and composure on earth changed so dramatically and that is why we see the age of men after the flood deteriorate slowly but surely.

I don't know anything about that but this is what they discussed

 

[Rainrider]

I heard an interesting discussion this week-end where Christian scientists said that after the flood the air changed as a result of the water now raining out of the sky and that oxygen levels and composure on earth changed so dramatically and that is why we see the age of men after the flood deteriorate slowly but surely.

I don't know anything about that but this is what they discussed

I heard something like that as well. on that show "Is Genesis History" I think it was, they said the Co2 leaves drooped, and that changed the plaint life. Like you all I can do is look at what they say, as I don't know about any of that. They did say you can see the changes in the Arctic Ice caps. To me it looks a lot of ice, so hay.

 

[gotime]

I imagine that the earth would have been a bit different with the water above the earth that is now after the flood on the earth.

 

[Rainrider]

I imagine that the earth would have been a bit different with the water above the earth that is now after the flood on the earth.

I know it doesn't really tell us one way or the other, yet I read that if all the ice on earth melted, it would only raise the ocean by something like 216 feet. That wouldn't be anything like the flood. So are we sure the water is still here? I never gave it any though really, just seemed to be all the water went back where it was before.