A study on the ten commandments

[Laodicea]

It doesn't say in Revelation that the 10 commandments are in the ark. The ark mentioned there is figurative language for Christ. He is the true ark.

Hebrews 8:1-2 KJV
(1) Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
(2) A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.


According to this there is a literal sanctuary in heaven and Jesus is the high priest.

 

[Laodicea]

Should we be studying the written code or concentrate on following after the holy spirit? ( rom 7:6)

That must be a ridiculous question because you will have to not study all the OT because the OT has everywhere the results of not keeping the commandments so by reading the OT and the results of sin you are studying the law. Besides the Bible says this.


2 Timothy 2:15 KJV
(15) Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

 

[james57]

That must be a ridiculous question because you will have to not study all the OT because the OT has everywhere the results of not keeping the commandments so by reading the OT and the results of sin you are studying the law. Besides the Bible says this.


2 Timothy 2:15 KJV
(15) Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

You agree, the law God requires us to keep is written on our minds and placed on our hearts by the holy spirit. Therefore, in our minds we instinctively know how God wants us to live and in our hearts we want to obey. In this sense we have been born again of the holy spirit.
Therefore, if a person had to read/ study the written code to know how God wanted them to live, have they truly been born again?

 

[Laodicea]

You agree, the law God requires us to keep is written on our minds and placed on our hearts by the holy spirit. Therefore, in our minds we instinctively know how God wants us to live and in our hearts we want to obey. In this sense we have been born again of the holy spirit.
Therefore, if a person had to read/ study the written code to know how God wanted them to live, have they truly been born again?

Based on your opinion not the Bible. You interpret the Bible by your opinion and pass it off as truth. The Bible says the law is written in our heart is that in the NT only?

Psalms 119:11 KJV
(11) Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.


Looks like the law was written on his heart.

 

[james57]

Based on your opinion not the Bible. You interpret the Bible by your opinion and pass it off as truth. The Bible says the law is written in our heart is that in the NT only?

Psalms 119:11 KJV
(11) Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.


Looks like the law was written on his heart.

Jeremiah 31 states

The Tim IS coming( it is not there yet) when i will make a new covenant. .......

Verse 33 is part of that new covenant it states the law will be written on the mind and placed on the heart


Heb 10:15-18 confirms this. The first fourteen verses of heb 10 speaks of Christs sacrifice for sin. This is what follows:

The holy spirit also testifies to us ABOUT THIS

This is the covenant I will make with them after that tine says the Lord
I will write my laws in their minds
And place them on their hearts
Then he adds
Their sins and lawless deeds I will remember no more

 

[Laodicea]

You agree, the law God requires us to keep is written on our minds and placed on our hearts by the holy spirit. Therefore, in our minds we instinctively know how God wants us to live and in our hearts we want to obey. In this sense we have been born again of the holy spirit.
Therefore, if a person had to read/ study the written code to know how God wanted them to live, have they truly been born again?

Also how can we prove what law is written on our heart? Not by our opinion but, by what is written in the Bible. So without the written word it is nothing.

 

[Laodicea]

Jeremiah 31 states

The Tim IS coming( it is not there yet) when i will make a new covenant. .......

Verse 31 part of Tha new covenant states the law will be written on the mind and placed on the heart


Heb 10:15-18 confirms this. The first fourteen verses of heb 10 speaks of Christs sacrifice for sin. This is what follows:

The hold spirit also testifies to us ABOUT THIS

This is the covenant I will make with them after that tine says the Lord
I will write my laws in their minds
And place them on their hearts
Then he adds
Their sins and lawless deeds I will remember no more

Same law but instead of being written on stone it is written on our heart. Jeremiah was OT so look up the meaning of the word laws from Jeremiah as to what laws it is referring to.

 

[james57]

Also how can we prove what law is written on our heart? Not by our opinion but, by what is written in the Bible. So without the written word it is nothing.

It is easily proven

Through the law you become conscious of sin rom3:20

Therefore you MUST have heartfelt conviction you sin if you break the law on your heart.
A much surer way to know than trying to figure out which laws are applicable and which laws are not from the written code. As proved by all the disagreements over them

 

[james57]

Same law but instead of being written on stone it is written on our heart. Jeremiah was OT so look up the meaning of the word laws from Jeremiah as to what laws it is referring to.

Then if you believe that in your heart, state no one can be a christian unless they have conviction they sin by not observing a Saturday Sabbath.

Paul DID NOT believe a saturday Sabbath must specifically be observed( rom14:5) I am under the new covenant, not the old one

 

[FreeNChrist]

1) Are all the commandments important? If they are then why is the sabbath day deemed as unimportant by the vast majority of Christians? Why does no one talk about not coveting either?

Yes all of the commandments are important. The Sabbath "day" was a precursor of the eternal sabbath rest we now have in Christ. The cross changed everything. What would you like to talk about in regards to coveting?

2) Should we still obey all of the commandments today?

We should be obedient to Christ.

3) Why is it in revelations the ark of the coventant which holds the ten commandments is seen in Gods throne room? If the ten commandments are part of the mosaic law where is the rest of the 600 laws?

The ark of the covenant was the place were God met with man. We now, as Christians, meet God in the Person of Jesus Christ.

4) why were the ten commandments set apart written by Gods own hand in stone and then put in a really pretty box?

Because they represented the glory of God which is His holy character.

5) What is an idol?

Anything that we ascribe attributes to that intrinsically belong to God alone.

6) Does the second commandment still apply today? If so how? (the second command talks about not bowing to gods made to look like Gods creation)

With the coming of Jesus we Christians have something better than commandments written in stone, we have the risen living Christ Himself living in us and leading us....and He bows before no idol, nor does He lead us to do so.

7) what does it really mean to covet your neighbors goods and how can we avoid it?

It means to desire for yourself what belongs to another. Instead of your desire being happiness for them, your desire is to selfishly possess what is theirs. We can avoid it by understanding the truth that in Christ we have already been given "everything". There is nothing that can be added to everything. We can have joy and contentment in Christ regardless of our circumstances.

8) Is it really that hard to keep the ten commandments? Are they really that bad when you look at them? Please be honest here. All they are really saying is to love God, put him first, don't worship anything or anyone else, rest on saturday, don't steal, don't murder, don't covet, ect. So are those things REALLY that restricting and can they really be called the mosaic law?

We have thousands of years of history, recorded for us, of those who tried to live by keeping those commandments. How well did that work out for them?

 

[Laodicea]

Then if you believe that in your heart, state no one can be a christian unless they have conviction they sin by not observing a Saturday Sabbath.

Paul DID NOT believe a saturday Sabbath must specifically be observed( rom14:5) I am under the new covenant, not the old one

You are not being true to the word law in Jeremiah. When he speaks of the new covenant and the law written on our heart, the word law means Torah. That includes the Sabbath of the Lord. Doctrine is not based on how we feel but, upon the written word.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

They are talking about something VERY specfic though. They were talking about literal circumcision. (Acts 15:5) also notice how he says the law of Moses. The law of moses is not the ten commandments (at least I don'the believe it is). You can'take throw verses concerning the mosaic law at me because I don't believe the ten commandments to be mosaic law. That's like telling me I'm holding a snake when I am really holding a piece of pie. We cannot have this argument unless we answer the other questions first because that will help us determine whether or not the ten commandments are or are not mosaic law.

You have no basis for believing that the 10 commandments are not the law of Moses. That's just something you read somewhere or someone told you. It's silly. You speak like you think there's nothing greater than the 10 commandments, but there are greater commandments.

 

[john832]

It doesn't say in Revelation that the 10 commandments are in the ark. The ark mentioned there is figurative language for Christ. He is the true ark.

No, the Ark is God's throne, it is topped by the Mercy Seat God sits upon. The comment "It doesn't say in Revelation that the 10 commandments are in the ark." shows the complete ignorance of the poster...

Heb 8:5 who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, "SEE THAT YOU MAKE ALL THINGS ACCORDING TO THE PATTERN SHOWN YOU ON THE MOUNTAIN."

Rev 11:19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.

The New Covenant is the writing of the entirety of God's Law on the heart and mind of a person...

Jer 31:31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
Jer 31:32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the LORD.
Jer 31:33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Word for Law in verse 33 is...

H8451

תֹּרָה תּוֹרָה
tôrâh tôrâh
to-raw', to-raw'
From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law.
Total KJV occurrences: 219

The Torah.

The Commandments seemed pretty important to Christ...

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

So, it all boils down to whom you wish to listen to, the poster who hates God's Law, or Jesus Christ Himself.

 

[john832]

You have no basis for believing that the 10 commandments are not the law of Moses. That's just something you read somewhere or someone told you. It's silly. You speak like you think there's nothing greater than the 10 commandments, but there are greater commandments.

How's about showing us which ones they are?

 

[Laodicea]

You have no basis for believing that the 10 commandments are not the law of Moses. That's just something you read somewhere or someone told you. It's silly. You speak like you think there's nothing greater than the 10 commandments, but there are greater commandments.

*Revelation 14:12 KJV*
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

*Revelation 15:5 KJV*
And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:


According to these verses the ten commandments are in heaven and are called the commandments of God.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

No, the Ark is God's throne, it is topped by the Mercy Seat God sits upon. The comment "It doesn't say in Revelation that the 10 commandments are in the ark." shows the complete ignorance of the poster...

The ignorance is yours, my friend. The ark in Revelation is purely symbolic.

And it shall come to pass, when ye be multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the LORD, they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of the LORD: neither shall it come to mind: neither shall they remember it; neither shall they visit [it]; neither shall [that] be done any more. Jeremiah 3:16​

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

*Revelation 14:12 KJV*
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

*Revelation 15:5 KJV*
And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:


According to these verses the ten commandments are in heaven and are called the commandments of God.

I don't see the 10 commandments mentioned in any of those verses. The commandments of Christ are greater than the 10 commandments of Moses, so that would be the commandments that are referred to in Revelation.

 

[JFSurvivor]

We love God so we are going to obey Him. It is when we are so focused on the law we lose sight on Jesus. I think what the OP has an issue with is if we focus on Jesus and not the law we are going to do anything we want to because we can just ask for forgiveness. Our love for Christ is going to keep us from sinning (hopefully).

Please don't assume things like that. That is not what I have an issue with AT ALL! My issue is not focusing on Jesus. My issue iso ignoring the ten commandments. We need to focus on Jesus for our salivation but we can't ignore the ten commandments. Lemme repeat: WE NEED JESUS! However we cannot ignore the ten commandments. Does this make sense?

 

[Laodicea]

I don't see the 10 commandments mentioned in any of those verses. The commandments of Christ are greater than the 10 commandments of Moses, so that would be the commandments that are referred to in Revelation.

Or you don't want to see it. The Bible says there is a sanctuary in heaven also an ark of the covenant. The one in the OT was built according to the pattern.

Also if you believe Jesus is the I AM that He is God then you have to believe the ten commandments are the commandments of Jesus because it was the I AM that gave the ten commandments.

 

[john832]

The ignorance is yours, my friend. The ark in Revelation is purely symbolic.

And it shall come to pass, when ye be multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the LORD, they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of the LORD: neither shall it come to mind: neither shall they remember it; neither shall they visit [it]; neither shall [that] be done any more. Jeremiah 3:16​

No, it is not symbolic, the Ark that Moses had fashioned was symbolic of the Ark in Heaven, we are told that in Hebrews.