A Woman's Role in the Church

[loveschild]

I will go ahead and tell you my motivation for this thread.

Earlier today there was a heated debate in another thread. Now I will NOT mention the names of those involved out of respect for everyone, but a gentleman pretty well told another female member that she is a woman and a woman should not teach so he doesnt have to answer her.

I thought his post was very degrading so I wanted to create a thread about NT women and their role to show women are not of a lesser sex.

Just bc we have a different role does not mean we are less human and should be looked down upon.

The point is that once we are in Christ there is no more male or female. When Father looks at us we are covered in the blood and Father only sees Jesus is what Father told me. Some of the men will always be jealous of women because they are in secure and weak. But thank God there are some well adjusted men who are strong, even when a strong in God woman is right next to them.

 

[loveschild]

Then what about the scriptures pertaining to a woman being silent in the church?

Back in those days women were treated as second rate. The men were taught and the women were taught by their husbands. They were not allowed to speak up only the men were allowed to talk.

I'll tell you this. No man is shutting us up ever again. Jesus came and set the captives free. So the men and the women of these days need to deal with it and move on.

 

[loveschild]

After I posted that I had like a DUH moment.

I believe that it is OK for a woman to teach as long as she is not showing authority over a man.

A woman summits to her husband. Has nothing to do if she is a better preacher or not. If she is more gifted to teach then her husband needs to back her up. God decides not man or woman.

Doesn't have anything to do with a woman submitting to all men. Lots of women are way more qualified than men on lots of things. Don't much care for your less than attitude for yourself and other women. Where did you get that crap from?

 

[Cobus]

Elizabeth I look at Paul and what He wrote, An i read what Jesus said about Paul... HE WILL PREACH THE JESUS DOCTRINE.... And then i look at people ARGUING what Paul wrote, and i know whom is from God...PAUL... and whom is from SATAN... The arguiers... Easy as that. I will not dispute ANYTHING Paul wrote! If Paul says Any person that wears a yellow T-shirt in church will die! I will not wear a yellow T-shirt to church. And let me tell you one thing more.. Who is speaking in that church in 1 Corinthians 14:26 to 40? Is it the man, or is it the HOLY SPIRIT in the man? If it is the Holy Spirit in the man, I WILL BE AS QUIET AS A CHURCH MOUSE!!!! Because the HOLY SPIRIT IS JESUS! Even though I am a man...I WILL BE IN COMPLETE AWE BECAUSE IT IS JESUS SPEAKING TO ME TO BUILD ME TO WHERE HE WANTS ME TO BE...I WILL LISTEN AND DO WHAT HE SAYS. And if any person stands up tp speak, and it is in VIOLATION, Cortradiction TO WHAT IS JUST BEEN SAID< I MIGHT JUST THROW HIM OUT< Even if HE IS A MAN! There. Now this was well put together I will save a copy of the quotation you used. Thank you.

 

[Red33]

In (1Cor 11) there is no mention of marriage, a husband or a wife, so it seems that the chapter is referring to the relationship of a man to a woman and a woman to a man in the church, in the home and under the headship of Christ.

I am just going to throw this out there to see what others have as convictions in their heart concerning (v.3)...

But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Along with the rest of the chapter and its context (and other NT passages) it is not difficult to determine that man is over the woman as her head because the woman was made for the man. Within the family of the church and the family of the home this headship (or covering) applies and it has to do with established authority that always leads to life and not death and to the glory of God and not to shame. So within the church family we see the man as the head of the woman and Christ as the head of the man.

Man that has been created and called by God is given to the church with the authority of headship over the assembly of both men and women. The woman is never given headship over a man and has no established authority over the man in the church or in the home. Any established authority that she may have in the church or at home is from her head, the man, and the man gets his authority from his head, Christ. This order of headship tends to life as a testimony to not only the man and the woman in the church and in the home, but also to the angels that are constantly observing.

This headship involves three specific areas of ruling; 1- to serve others through a laid down life of love, mercy and grace as Christ's loves the church: 2- to minister and teach with grace and truth the word and doctrine: 3- to pray, intercede and persevere with and for the saints that are gathered in that assembly as one body. This is the knowledge of my understanding of these and other scriptures in the grace of God.

 

[unclefester]

I'm sure that some think I should have put this in the Ladies forum's and I KNOW this thread has been done before....but I wanted to see what the men have to say about it.

Woman bad. Man good.

 

[Cobus]

Let me also throw one verse out there. With it the question... If a woman with short hair or no hair does not cover her head, may a man cover his head with long hair of a hat?...1 Cor 11:6.... For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
Now this. If you do not see your husband as the head then tell him you are the head. I mean the family-bidy cannot have two heads...That already makes it a monster! So now what will the man be, he will be the submissive to wife! Theay CANNOT be equal, It is just imossible. Men cannot bear children! And women CAN NEVER BE THE IMAGE AND GLORY OF GOD in the family! Oh some would like to say ths is old law and stuff, but still if I am not reborn I will not enter the kingdom. So that one qounts and not many has a problem with that command, it is only the ones we disagree with that we will argue! Well I will not argue, As it is written so I accept! With revelation, So I understand, With Jesus writhing on my heart, So I am being blessed with TRUTH! And the Truth will make me free! Even free from the arguers! The strikers against the Word... Like MANY today. But the Lord warned us MANY will not accept the Word of God MANY!!! And you will see them in this forum and CC sites...

 

[Cobus]

My wife is the best woman teacher that I have EVER seen!

 

[Cobus]

She teaches like this... 1 Timothy 2:9 and 10... In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 1Ti 2:10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

 

[unclefester]

Because law is being fulfilled in those who follow Jesus, we are no longer bound by traditions that cannot save a person. Whether a person has no hair, a bail hair, or a ball of yarn covering the head, is of little consequence in the out ward appearance (except a fashion statement, maybe). This understanding is similar to law which states that God's people are not to eat pork. This law is of little consequence to one who follows Christ; because the spiritual intent of the law (which is greater) is fulfilled in the person. Please do not allow yourself to go back to the law. To not eat pork will not save a person. To wear a ball of yarn on your head will not save you. The covering of your head is about what takes place within you.

Agreed Yaright....and well said

 

[Laodicea]

Acts 2:18
(18) And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
Acts 21:9
(9) And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.
Galatians 3:28
(28) There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
1 Corinthians 12:11
(11) But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

 

[Red33]

Because law is being fulfilled in those who follow Jesus, we are no longer bound by traditions that cannot save a person. Whether a person has no hair, a bail hair, or a ball of yarn covering the head, is of little consequence in the out ward appearance (except a fashion statement, maybe). This understanding is similar to law which states that God's people are not to eat pork. This law is of little consequence to one who follows Christ; because the spiritual intent of the law (which is greater) is fulfilled in the person. Please do not allow yourself to back to the law. To not eat pork will not save a person. To wear a ball of yarn on your head will not save you. The covering of your head is about what takes place within you.

I disagree, because we are dealing with two valuable institutions (the church and family), which are made up of flesh and blood, and with principalities and powers of the air involved in an invisible angelic conflict. That makes a covering very important as it establishes authority in the church and in the home. When angels look upon the church and the home and do not see this headship and covering being practiced, it becomes a place for these principalities and powers to establish a stronghold and raise havoc. This is part of giving place to the devil which we are instructed not to do (Eph 4:27). If these strongholds become established in the church or home, because there is no covering active or being honored inwardly and outwardly (because of the angels), that will allow for division, strife, confusion, contention and every evil work to invade these two institutions that God has established on the earth.

When you boil down this thing about the hair on the head it points to this... just make sure that the woman's hair is longer that the man's and neither one be shaved bald, unless for good or medical reasons.

 

[Laodicea]

Because law is being fulfilled in those who follow Jesus, we are no longer bound by traditions that cannot save a person. Whether a person has no hair, a bail hair, or a ball of yarn covering the head, is of little consequence in the out ward appearance (except a fashion statement, maybe). This understanding is similar to law which states that God's people are not to eat pork. This law is of little consequence to one who follows Christ; because the spiritual intent of the law (which is greater) is fulfilled in the person. Please do not allow yourself to back to the law. To not eat pork will not save a person. To wear a ball of yarn on your head will not save you. The covering of your head is about what takes place within you.

Fulfilling the law in Christ does not do away with the law, Jesus did not die to make pork clean, based on what you are saying then we could eat rats and cockroaches. It is an abomination to eat pork.

Isaiah 66:17
(17) They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

Apart from what the Bible says about pork and other things on health have you ever done a study on health? and what pork is that it can cause trichinosis of the liver. God wants us to be in health and His death did not change the laws of health.

 

[Warrior44]

I think it's crazy to say that men and women are the same. We are made different physically obviously. Why wouldnt we be made with different roles? This doesn't mean one sex is better than the other. It simply means we are not the same.
You all should read the book: "Captivating: Unveiling the Mystery of a Womans Soul" by John and Stasi Eldredge. It is in depth and biblical. Very good.

 

[NoahsMom]

When you boil down this thing about the hair on the head it points to this... just make sure that the woman's hair is longer that the man's and neither one be shaved bald, unless for good or medical reasons. Red, Do you mean this spiritually?

 

[Red33]

When you boil down this thing about the hair on the head it points to this... just make sure that the woman's hair is longer that the man's and neither one be shaved bald, unless for good or medical reasons. Red, Do you mean this spiritually?

You made laugh so hard I almost tipped my chair over. I hope your hair is longer than your husband's or I am in trouble LOL. I have to answer you honestly, so here goes. Practically speaking I think the whole passage of scripture concerning coverings has to do with protection and godly headship in the church and in the home. As far as the hair goes I believe that Paul was dealing with rebellion and the appearance of rebellion that is revealed in the covering of the hair, especially in the view of the angels. I know that God looks on the heart but the angels don't, because they are not given to marriage, they do not have families and do not understand redemption.

The last real rebellion we experienced in our last two generations was in the 60's and 70's and we could see how the length of hair applied to this kind of rebellion. In many cases but not all, men's hair got longer and the women's hair eventually got shorter. The dress code in many cases was indiscernible between the genders and very sloven. Today you have rebellion and revolts in certain segments of society that shaves the head clean, both men and women, which also could be for religious reasons. These are observations on my part in relationship to coverings. I am not trying to legislate anything but just giving my conviction concerning coverings and I hope I have been balanced and communicated some truth and salt in this area. No one is under any condemnation in this matter and it is between them and God unless it becomes a matter of rebellion in the church or home.

 

[Elizabeth619]

Woman bad. Man good.

Remember

Behind every good man is an ever BETTER WOMAN....hold a frying pan.


cast iron

 

[NoahsMom]

didnt mean to make ya almost fall, and i get what your sayin, It is longer , IN THE FRONT...no worries, he IS the spiritual head of this house simply because he loves and obeys God. Sometimes its very hard indeed to distinguish between the two genders.......I just say dear instead of maam or sir................

 

[Megatron]

Remember

Behind every good man is an ever BETTER WOMAN....hold a frying pan.


cast iron

yes barefoot anf cooking him scrambled eggs and bacon every morning, before he goes out and earns the money to support her and his family.

 

[Elizabeth619]

yes barefoot anf cooking him scrambled eggs and bacon every morning, before he goes out and earns the money to support her and his family.

yes, earns money at his "JOB"...