aborted babies sent to hell forever

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OwenHeidenreich

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Do you guys agree with the doctrine that says that babies who are killed go to hell because they were automatically born as sinners in need of a savior, but they never were saved because they couldnt... believe...?
 
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nathan3

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no. That is not biblical............

But this is :


Ecclesiastes 12:6-7

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6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.

7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.


2 Corinthians 5:8

King James Version (KJV)

8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
 
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Do you guys agree with the doctrine that says that babies who are killed go to hell because they were automatically born as sinners in need of a savior, but they never were saved because they couldnt... believe...?
Mark 8:31[ Jesus Predicts His Death ] He then began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and after three days rise again.

Matthew 21:35
“The tenants seized his servants; they beat one, killed another, and stoned a third.

Matthew 2:13
[ The Escape to Egypt ] When they had gone, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream. “Get up,” he said, “take the child and his mother and escape to Egypt. Stay there until I tell you, for Herod is going to search for the child to kill him.”

Jeremiah 1:5
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”

Jeremiah 31:15
This is what the Lord says: “A voice is heard in Ramah, mourning and great weeping, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more.”

Rachel [N] [E] [H](ewe, or sheep ), the younger of the daughters of Laban, the wife of Jacob (B.C. 1753) and mother of Joseph and Benjamin. The incidents of her life may be found in Genesis29-33, 35. The story of Jacob and Rachel has always had a peculiar interest. The beauty of Rachel, Jacobs deep love and long servitude for her, their marriage, and Rachels death on giving birth to Benjamin, with Jacobs grief at her loss, ( Genesis 48:7 ) makes a touching tale. Yet from what is related to us concerning her character there does not seem much to claim any high degree of admiration and esteem. She appears to have shared all the duplicity and falsehood of her family. See, for instance, Rachels stealing her fathers images, and the ready dexterity and presence of mind with which she concealed her theft. ( Genesis 31:1 ) ... "Rachel died and was buried on the way to Ephrath, which is Bethlehem. (B.C. 1729.) And Jacob set a pillar upon her grave; that is the pillar of Rachels grave unto this day." ( Genesis 35:19 Genesis 35:20 ) The site of Rachels tomb, "on the way to Bethlehem," "a little way to come to Ephrath," "in the border of Benjamin," never been questioned. It Is about two miles south of Jerusalem and one mile north of Bethlehem.
 
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enoch1nine

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Do you guys agree with the doctrine that says that babies who are killed go to hell because they were automatically born as sinners in need of a savior, but they never were saved because they couldnt... believe...?
I think it goes against the most basic God given human sense.
 
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Reformedjason

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We are born with a sin nature but those children have never sinned. I assume they are all part of the elect.
 
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Shiloah

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I can't believe anyone would even consider this. It's too bizarre.
 
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OwenHeidenreich

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But its perfectly Just if you consider what the bible says on how to be saved.

You have to confess with your mouth and believe that he rose from the dead,

so why are babies, or any person who never heard about Jesus, allowed into heaven?
 
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nathan3

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Matthew 18:

10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.



Mark 10:14



14 But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.





2 Corinthians 5:10



10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
 
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nathan3

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But its perfectly Just if you consider what the bible says on how to be saved.

You have to confess with your mouth and believe that he rose from the dead,

so why are babies, or any person who never heard about Jesus, allowed into heaven?
Because they are innocent. Why would you judge some one to the ( 2nd death ) before they even had a trial. Or Before they even had a change to prove themselves ? Hell is not even in existence yet. What many fail to teach is what the bible teaches.
'The Great White Throne Judgement is after the Lords day, everyone is judge out of the books of life ( Revelation 20:12 ) . But remember to put things in order: That is After, the Lord's day.
 
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nathan3

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I can't believe anyone would even consider this. It's too bizarre.
It's not bizarre? It is a good question. Since it was asked, it should be answered . And The Bible is clear about this once some one has taken the time to read what it says. And after study, then we can have a good grasp of how things are . Like its written .
 
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enoch1nine

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I assume they are all part of the elect.
Or even better. Here's how we are to feel about innocent people who had their lives cut short.

[SUP]12 [/SUP]As for the oblation of the firstfruits, ye shall offer them unto Salvation: but they shall not be burnt on the altar for a sweet savour.
 
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nathan3

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But its perfectly Just if you consider what the bible says on how to be saved.

You have to confess with your mouth and believe that he rose from the dead,

so why are babies, or any person who never heard about Jesus, allowed into heaven?
Is it fair to judge some one to the ( 2nd death : Revelation 20:14 ;Revelation 20:6 ;Matthew 10:28 ) before they even had a trial.

Or Before they even had a change to prove themselves ?

Hell is not even in existence yet : What many fail to understand is what the bible teaches.

The Great White Throne Judgement is after the Lords day, everyone is judge out of the books of life ( Revelation 20:12 ) .

But remember to put things in order: That is After, the Lord's day. ( 2 Peter 3:8 ;Zechariah 14:7 )

The Lords day is the Day Christ returns to rule all Nations with a rod of Iron.

Revelation 19:15-16


15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.

Revelation 20:4-6

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

So if we where to guess, if , God wanted them tested, it could be at the Lords day... But God is Judge, so lets leave that in His hands.
 
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Tintin

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I think God is a God of mercy. They would have to accept Him at some point but maybe unborn babies can do that? I do know that my God is not only a loving God but that He IS Love!
 
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Water1944

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Babies that are killed---that is not something they did, that is something that was done to them. I see God loving those beautiful babies.
 

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But its perfectly Just if you consider what the bible says on how to be saved.

You have to confess with your mouth and believe that he rose from the dead,

so why are babies, or any person who never heard about Jesus, allowed into heaven?
A baby doesn't have the mental capacity to understand the Gospel.
 
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nana97

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that is not true. babies that are killed go to heaven. why? because they have not sin in God's eyes. they are little angels that have no knowledge of 'good and bad'. so they go straight to heaven.
 

Nautilus

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Would God send someone to hell f they werent even capable of understanding the concept of salvation and sin? Not a merciful God and I don't think our God would evil. To hold such actions as truth would be to deny the concept of a loving God.
 

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But its perfectly Just if you consider what the bible says on how to be saved.

You have to confess with your mouth and believe that he rose from the dead,

so why are babies, or any person who never heard about Jesus, allowed into heaven?
It's one thing that that is the requirement for salvation, and another thing to be able to do it. Aborted babies obviously have no knowledge of sin and cannot confess and exercise faith in Jesus thus they have not rejected His saving blood and aren't morally accountable to God. Now I am not saying that salvation is the work of man. It is God's work but as per the scriptures there ought to be knowledge of right and wrong. It is only those who have developed moral knowledge yet continue in sin that are accountable to God and without excuse (Romans 1:20).
 
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Laodicea

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Do you guys agree with the doctrine that says that babies who are killed go to hell because they were automatically born as sinners in need of a savior, but they never were saved because they couldnt... believe...?
We are born with sinful flesh but, we are not born guilty. Sin is transgression of the law, babies have no knowledge of the law so they do not sin. A lion kills to eat but it is not sin because a lion has no knowledge of the law, it is evil but not sin. That is catholic doctrine teaching that babies need to be baptized because they are born guilty.
 
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Share55

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But its perfectly Just if you consider what the bible says on how to be saved.

You have to confess with your mouth and believe that he rose from the dead,

so why are babies, or any person who never heard about Jesus, allowed into heaven?
Where sin is not known one cannot sin. Babies do not know right from wrong and therefore are pure. Jesus said, 'suffer the little children to come unto me for such is the kingdom of heaven ;)