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There is a medical condition called an ectopic pregnancy. It is usually life threatening to the mother if she attempts to carry the baby full term.
There have been rare, and I mean RARE instances where baby and mother have survived an ectopic pregnancy, but it was due to where the fetus was located. Normally the chance of survival of the fetus is zero.
In the event there is a life threatening situation like an ectopic pregnancy I could understand reasons for termination, but this is the ONLY reason. I know woman who have had this condition, and the doctors told them they would die if termination did not happen.
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There have been rare, and I mean RARE instances where baby and mother have survived an ectopic pregnancy, but it was due to where the fetus was located. Normally the chance of survival of the fetus is zero.
In the event there is a life threatening situation like an ectopic pregnancy I could understand reasons for termination, but this is the ONLY reason. I know woman who have had this condition, and the doctors told them they would die if termination did not happen.
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Well like Elizabeth said...I think if the birth would be possibly fatal to the mother then I am all for it. If it were my wife, Id rather lose the kid than her. Just the way it is. As far as other circumstances, I can completely understand why rape or incest victims would want an abortion and not have to carry a kid conceived in that way around for 9 months. If its just from sexual promiscuity and unsafe sex then I dont agree with abortion.
Yes..by all means...if the baby is going to kill you then make sure you kill it first. That makes sense. 
hopesprings said:
Yes..by all means...if the baby is going to kill you then make sure you kill it first. That makes sense.
If one cannot kill their 2 year-old child, why is it okay to kill an innocent unborn child? Biologically, life begins at conception when a zygote is formed from fusion of the egg and sperm and life is sacred. The bible says "Thou shalt not kill". Children are special gifts from God, He gives and takes away blessed be His holy name.
But what about emergencies that require an abortion otherwise the woman might die? Is it acceptable in such instance?
First, I sympathize with anyone that has been in such predicament. Secondly, I believe it is important to commit our ways unto God and trust Him in all of life's circumstances. We should always look into doing God's will as revealed in the scripture even though it will bring inconvenience. The bible says,"Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?", this shows that He can do what man sees as impossible. Sarah believed in God's promise and He blessed her with Isaac at such old age (something that is biologically impossible) and Hannah believed in God and her prayers were answered by God bringing Samuel. God still does miracles in this day and age when we call on Him in faith. He can increase a faith as small as mustard seed and cause miracle. God can even supply the medical teams with supernatural wisdom that they will be able to save both mother and child.
But what about emergencies that require an abortion otherwise the woman might die? Is it acceptable in such instance?
First, I sympathize with anyone that has been in such predicament. Secondly, I believe it is important to commit our ways unto God and trust Him in all of life's circumstances. We should always look into doing God's will as revealed in the scripture even though it will bring inconvenience. The bible says,"Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?", this shows that He can do what man sees as impossible. Sarah believed in God's promise and He blessed her with Isaac at such old age (something that is biologically impossible) and Hannah believed in God and her prayers were answered by God bringing Samuel. God still does miracles in this day and age when we call on Him in faith. He can increase a faith as small as mustard seed and cause miracle. God can even supply the medical teams with supernatural wisdom that they will be able to save both mother and child.
I try putting myself in a situation like that. You know I am a single mom, and Wesley's dad is not in the picture at all. What if I got pregnant and it was an ectopic pregnancy? If I died my son loses him mom, and would likley end up in state custody. My son has no one but me. I'd have that to consider as well.
The bible doesn't touch on situations like this when something is beyond the woman's control, and you know I do not approve of abortion when it comes to any other situation, but with something like this I could seriously understand why a pregnancy would be terminated... and considering the fact if I died the baby would die too. Normally, the fetus "aborts itself". By the time the baby is removed from the woman it is already dead.
The bible doesn't touch on situations like this when something is beyond the woman's control, and you know I do not approve of abortion when it comes to any other situation, but with something like this I could seriously understand why a pregnancy would be terminated... and considering the fact if I died the baby would die too. Normally, the fetus "aborts itself". By the time the baby is removed from the woman it is already dead.
Yes..by all means...if the baby is going to kill you then make sure you kill it first. That makes sense.
and much of our "Law" is being crafted from that.
the baby can be considered a "pursuer" - it is pursuing the mother to harm her, so can be legally killed...self-defense ya know.
like, it's beyond me why we think our Legal system is anything remotely according to God's Law.
it ain't.
Judaism and abortion
Early rabbinic Judaism
In mainstream rabbinic Judaism, the Biblical verse is one of several key texts that substantiate the later rabbinic prohibition on abortion, albeit not as murder. Owing partly to this verse, rabbinic law or halakhah sanctions abortion under some circumstances, namely for medical reason. In principle, Judaism does not regard the fetus as a full human being. While deliberately killing a day old baby is murder, according to the Mishnah, a fetus is not covered by this strict homicide rule.[5]
In reading of Biblical homicide laws, rabbinic sages argue that homicide concerns an animate human being (nefesh adam from Lev. 24:17) alone, not an embryo... because the embryo is not a person (lav nefesh hu).[6]
However the Talmud (Sanhedrin 57b) says that a fetus is included in the Noahide prohibition of bloodshed (distinct from homicide) that is learned from Genesis 9:6 that states (in a direct translation from the Hebrew); He who spills the blood of man in man shall have his blood spilt. The Talmud interprets "the blood of man in man" as to include a fetus, which is the blood of man in man. Things that are prohibited under the Noahide laws are also prohibited to Jews.[7] The penalty of having his blood spilt, in regard to Jews, is interpreted by Maimonides as referring to a punishment by the hands of heaven, and not by the courts.[8]
A core text in rabbinic law crystallizes the status of the fetus. The Mishna explicitly indicates that one must abort a fetus if the continuation of pregnancy might imperil the life of the woman.
If a woman is in hard travail, one cuts up the offspring in her womb and brings it forth member by member, because her life comes before the life of her foetus. But if the greater part has proceeded forth, one may not set aside one person for the sake of saving another.[9]
According to the text this can be done until the point of yatza rubo (יָצָא רֻבּוֹ), that "the greater part has proceeded forth".[10] This is taken to refer to the emergence of the baby during childbirth.[11]
In Talmudic law, an embryo is not deemed a fully viable person (bar kayyama), but rather a being of "doubtful viability" (Niddah 44b). Hence, for instance, Jewish mourning rites do not apply to an unborn child. The status of the embryo is also indicated by its treatment as "an appendage of its mother" (ubar yerekh 'imo Hullin 58a) for such matters as ownership, maternal conversion and purity law.[12] In even more evocative language, the Talmud states in a passage on priestly rules that the fetus "is considered to be mere water" until its 40th day.[13] In another passage the Talmud speaks of a "moment of determination" and a "moment of creation" in regard to different stages of the fetus.[14] Rashi explains that the moment of creation is when bones and arteries begin to form[15] and in other places he says that the "moment of creation" is at the 40th day.[16]
Later authorities have differed as to how far one might go in defining the peril to the woman in order to justify abortion, and at what stage of gestation a fetus is considered having a soul, at which point one life cannot take precedence over another.
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sound Christian?
sound familiar?
"If a woman is in hard travail, one cuts up the offspring in her womb and brings it forth member by member, because her life comes before the life of her foetus. But if the greater part has proceeded forth, one may not set aside one person for the sake of saving another.[9]"
cuts up the offspring in her womb and brings it forth member by member
partial birth abortion:
if the greater part has proceeded forth
meaning, as long as most of the baby is still in the womb, you can cut up the offspring in her womb member by member.
SO CAN WE PLEASE GET REAL ABOUT THIS?
again: to men and women who committed this sin before they were justified:
Jesus died for this sin also, and when you repented, it was forgiven, and God will not remember it anymore.
to any considering it since being saved, repent of even thinking about it, or of suggesting to anyone else they even consider it.
take the time to figure out where this abomination came from, and why we do it in our [goyim] countries.
STOP giving life to that beast.
Jesus died for this sin also, and when you repented, it was forgiven, and God will not remember it anymore.
to any considering it since being saved, repent of even thinking about it, or of suggesting to anyone else they even consider it.
take the time to figure out where this abomination came from, and why we do it in our [goyim] countries.
STOP giving life to that beast.
If one cannot kill their 2 year-old child, why is it okay to kill an innocent unborn child? Biologically, life begins at conception when a zygote is formed from fusion of the egg and sperm and life is sacred. The bible says "Thou shalt not kill". Children are special gifts from God, He gives and takes away blessed be His holy name.
But what about emergencies that require an abortion otherwise the woman might die? Is it acceptable in such instance?
First, I sympathize with anyone that has been in such predicament. Secondly, I believe it is important to commit our ways unto God and trust Him in all of life's circumstances. We should always look into doing God's will as revealed in the scripture even though it will bring inconvenience. The bible says,"Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?", this shows that He can do what man sees as impossible. Sarah believed in God's promise and He blessed her with Isaac at such old age (something that is biologically impossible) and Hannah believed in God and her prayers were answered by God bringing Samuel. God still does miracles in this day and age when we call on Him in faith. He can increase a faith as small as mustard seed and cause miracle. God can even supply the medical teams with supernatural wisdom that they will be able to save both mother and child.
But what about emergencies that require an abortion otherwise the woman might die? Is it acceptable in such instance?
First, I sympathize with anyone that has been in such predicament. Secondly, I believe it is important to commit our ways unto God and trust Him in all of life's circumstances. We should always look into doing God's will as revealed in the scripture even though it will bring inconvenience. The bible says,"Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?", this shows that He can do what man sees as impossible. Sarah believed in God's promise and He blessed her with Isaac at such old age (something that is biologically impossible) and Hannah believed in God and her prayers were answered by God bringing Samuel. God still does miracles in this day and age when we call on Him in faith. He can increase a faith as small as mustard seed and cause miracle. God can even supply the medical teams with supernatural wisdom that they will be able to save both mother and child.
P.S: I myself am also a living testimony of a miracle birth. God is gracious and faithful to those that put their trust in Him.
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i understood ya hopesprings
love you.
and love you too Beth.
this isn't our discussion, and it's not our dilemma.
this comes from some other religion.
we have to discuss it....but we already know the answer.
zoney
love you.
and love you too Beth.
this isn't our discussion, and it's not our dilemma.
this comes from some other religion.
we have to discuss it....but we already know the answer.
zoney