Accepting ones self

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everything changes 'after REAL-CONVERSION', we may hear echo's of satan's old shananigans,
that we must 'over-come' in order to GROW-UP' into Christ,
but 'after CONVERSION', he has no more 'power-control-influence over us, we belong to Jesus/Yeshua,
'lock-stock-and-SPIRIT'...

Hmmmm I wonder who told you that...
 
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we don't have to wonder who made you 'question' such Holiness gifted to us from
our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ...
 
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we don't have to wonder who made you 'question' such Holiness gifted to us from
our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ...
What holiness are you talking about. You saying that Satan has no influence on us? That's not holiness, that's foolishness.
 
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weezer

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Weakness, strength, being clean, being filthy, being a sinner, being holy screwing up, and doing right these are all things that many people contemplate inside their own hearts even though we say that we are holy righteous and redeemed and that it was never about us being strong or good enough and that it's his holiness and sinlessness that matters and not ours because of human nature even though we say these things and even maybe believe them we still at times contemplate them when we look at ourselves.

I had a discussion with God today going on my walk and it was an educational one to say the least, i have always been one to search my own heart the problem i have is doing so in a non condemning or non judgemental way lol. I spoke to him how I know that i am a child inside in mind heart and soul and that I want to one day mature and grow up to be a responsible respectful mature and upright man, I want to grow out of this child like nature of mine and be like everyone else my age.

But then a thought came to mind which I have no doubt was him responding to me, I am a child in mind nature heart and soul even though my age would say different but what if instead of being concerned with who and what i am not I accept myself as I am? To God it never seemed to matter if I was mature or a grown up in mind and heart in fact it seemed as if because of my childlike mind and heart he and I have always been able to connect in a way that others wouldn't be able to otherwise, and he would because of my child like nature allow me to see, perceive and to receive things that only thew mind and heart of a child could.

It made think to myself how it's so exhausting not liking myself for who I am and how it's such a drag wishing I was this or that when he accepts me and adores me for who I am right now. I began to wonder if many others feel this way too, and maybe that is our main issue. I mean what if what we think we want to become and want to be isn't at all what he does?
I just wanted to post this in hopes that the fruit of my discussion with him might help someone here, Me personally, i have a lot to ponder about from it.
I can relate to this in a way. For the past couple of years I have felt myself knowing in my mind that I need to grow in my faith, I need to mature in Christ, I need to put my childish, worldly desires behind me and "grow up", to be the christian man (not child) I am supposed to be, but I could never seem to do so in action. I asked God, I prayed, I did what I could, but I never seemed to be able to break through that wall so to speak. I continued to be tripped up by the same sins, I continued to put other things before my faith on my priority list...etc. and after a while I just started feeling unworthy to even speak to God, to ask for His help, because I just felt worthless.

But what helped me anyway was realizing that none of us are without sin, that is why Jesus died on the cross. Every time I sin, God already knows I will, and yet He still loves me, He still welcomes me back. I was the one allowing myself to be deceived into thinking I was worthless, unworthy, not enough...etc. So changing my mindset was huge, but also I think it just comes with time. Age does not equal maturity. And sometimes there is no way for us to get out of our dry seasons, or our valleys, other than through time. Sometimes all we can do is walk through them one step at a time.

And so I would say in regard to condemning or judging yourself, that is not God speaking, that is satan deceiving you. God doesn't want us to feel condemned, or lowly, or empty. When we sin He doesn't want us to run away in fear or shame, He wants us to run back into His arms. I also think our maturity needs to be more than simply a desire. We do need something worth maturing over, if that makes sense. For me it was thinking about what I wanted out of life, how I wanted it to look, and then using that as motivation to change. So whenever I feel tempted to sin in one way or another, I just think about the future, and how I would like it to be, and remind myself that the sins I commit today are affecting my future, my relationships, everything. I heard it said this way in a sermon: don't give up what you want most, for what you want now.

Anyway I don't mean to ramble, but I hope this helps in some way.

God Bless!
 
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Blain

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Well I do know that I am very child like in nature several people who have spoken to me in person say I have this sense of innocence about me but at the same time I also seem to look and speak in a mature adult manner, especially in the bdf. There is a time and a place for everything and so i think having a balance of being childlike and being mature and adult like is something good to have, After all if you only see and think as a child you will not mature and grow much and if you only see and think as an adult then the things that only a child can see about God will not make sense to you.


Honestly this thread was mainly made from the kind of things I ponder I expected it to fade into the dark lonely shadows of the bdf but two whole pages was unexpected. I only hope this thread has helped someone
 

Nehemiah6

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There's a big difference between personality and character. I believe Blain is discussing personality.
Actually your character forms and molds your personality. What is deep within the person (character) is expressed outwardly through his personality. Also, there is a difference between "child-like" (approved by God) and "childish" (disapproved by God).

When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. (1 Cor 13:11).

Every Christian starts out as a babe in Christ, but that is certainly not where he is supposed to remain.

That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head,even Christ: (Ephesians 4:14,15).
 

Blain

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Actually your character forms and molds your personality. What is deep within the person (character) is expressed outwardly through his personality. Also, there is a difference between "child-like" (approved by God) and "childish" (disapproved by God).

When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. (1 Cor 13:11).

Every Christian starts out as a babe in Christ, but that is certainly not where he is supposed to remain.

That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head,even Christ: (Ephesians 4:14,15).
It wasn't merely personality I was talking about i was talking about the heart more than anything. I was not sating that one must not grow and mature in faith or even as a person it is my main focus to grow and mature as both a person and a believer however the thing is I am always rejecting the child in me wishing I would only be a mature grown up because they say the eyes are the windows to the soul and the eyes we see through come directly from what is in our own hearts. But accepting both the child and the adult in me has always been a struggle for me however there have been times when both the adult and child in me each have been used greatly by God. Sometimes only a child can see certain things where as the same is said for an adult
 
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Starsdance

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Thanks, it helps me.