Accountability

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I have a simple question.

Does God hold those who lead people away from him by teaching false interpretations of scripture as fact, accountable for their actions?
Yes..... and would you believe God will hold some accountable if they teach the right interpretations as well? Examples:
1. Using correct doctrine as a weapon to condemn people can achieve the same results as false doctrine.
2. Using correct scripture/doctrine with a different attitude/purpose other than God's turns true doctrine into false doctrine.
For example, quoting a scripture portraying God's anger in it when He isn't spreads a message of a false image of God to the people. One way is false doctrine/true God, & the other is true doctrine/false image of God. Both, IMO, are equally damaging.
 
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At the judgment seat of Christ, we are all brothers in the Lord, because we are all sons, the church the body of Christ(masculine), the new creature. Only saved persons from the dispensation of grace are at this judgment. We will stand ashamed of bad doctrine/wrong beliefs... suffer loss- wood, hay, stubble.
 
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I have a simple question.

Does God hold those who lead people away from him by teaching false interpretations of scripture as fact, accountable for their actions?


Yes.
*My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.*2*For we all stumble in many things.
 
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Complete_In_Him

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My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.
James 3:1 (KJV)
3 My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.


That is not for application to the church the body of Christ, that is not our doctrine. And this is why, we are called to be saints, instructed to study as workmen, and to be ambassadors for Christ, holding forth the word of life in truth, in Christ's stead, effective vessels of honor, meet for the master's use, prepared unto every good work, "Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification"


If something is different, it is not the same, (in form) doctrinally. We are to see distinctions God has placed in His word, refrain from harmonizing or misappropriating scripture. All of the bible is true. All of the bible is for us, our learning and admonition, but all of the bible is not to us or about us.
 
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Most of these types aren't His in the first place and the ones that are He chastises..

They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
(1Jn 2:19)


And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
(Heb 12:5-6)
Does it ever dawn on you that you may be one of "most of these types?" You're so quick to point to others. What if rapture theology is a "false interpretation?" What if pre- and post- are false? What if I'm wrong and one of those things is right? Am I a "most of these types" then? What if we got it wrong on the age of the earth? What if predestination is true? What if it's not like any of us consider it? What if...? Not once? Not in your entire walk with Christ? Never ever? You have never discovered you got something wrong? If you have, how about stop assuming it's always "these types?" What if you are "these types" still? And, if you've never ever discovered you got something wrong? You're not studying right!
 

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Does it ever dawn on you that you may be one of "most of these types?" You're so quick to point to others. What if rapture theology is a "false interpretation?" What if pre- and post- are false? What if I'm wrong and one of those things is right? Am I a "most of these types" then? What if we got it wrong on the age of the earth? What if predestination is true? What if it's not like any of us consider it? What if...? Not once? Not in your entire walk with Christ? Never ever? You have never discovered you got something wrong? If you have, how about stop assuming it's always "these types?" What if you are "these types" still? And, if you've never ever discovered you got something wrong? You're not studying right!
I don't put eschatology in the same category as soteriology when it comes to false teaching.
Is that your standard operating proceedure?
 

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I have a simple question.

Does God hold those who lead people away from him by teaching false interpretations of scripture as fact, accountable for their actions?


Only God knows the motives and understanding of the person so only God can judge. Amen for that.
Act 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Act 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
 

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#28
I have a simple question.

Does God hold those who lead people away from him by teaching false interpretations of scripture as fact, accountable for their actions?


Most of these types aren't His in the first place and the ones that are He chastises..

They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
(1Jn 2:19)


And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
(Heb 12:5-6)
Does it ever dawn on you that you may be one of "most of these types?" You're so quick to point to others. What if rapture theology is a "false interpretation?" What if pre- and post- are false? What if I'm wrong and one of those things is right? Am I a "most of these types" then? What if we got it wrong on the age of the earth? What if predestination is true? What if it's not like any of us consider it? What if...? Not once? Not in your entire walk with Christ? Never ever? You have never discovered you got something wrong? If you have, how about stop assuming it's always "these types?" What if you are "these types" still? And, if you've never ever discovered you got something wrong? You're not studying right!
Let me try to clarify. I realize there are differences when it comes to views on end times, rapture timing,predestination, etc.
I get it and know I may be wrong on these non essentials. I cut others slack as well as myself. These are not the basis of our faith.

But closer to the context ...

1 John 2:20-25 KJVS
[20] But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. [21] I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. [22] Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. [23] Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also . [24] Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. [25] And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

John seems to break down your challenge to me when it comes to the essentials. He asserts that there should be a level of dogmaticness due to the Holy Spirit that abides in us.
 
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*But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. *And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. *By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.*For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; *and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; *and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly; *and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked *(for that righteous man, dwelling among them, tormented his righteous soul from day to day by seeing and hearing their lawless deeds)— *then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment, *and especially those who walk according to the flesh in the lust of uncleanness and despise authority. They are presumptuous, self-willed. They are not afraid to speak evil of dignitaries, *whereas angels, who are greater in power and might, do not bring a reviling accusation against them before the Lord.*But these, like natural brute beasts made to be caught and destroyed, speak evil of the things they do not understand, and will utterly perish in their own corruption, *and will receive the wages of unrighteousness, as those who count it pleasure to carouse in the daytime. They are spots and blemishes, carousing in their own deceptions while they feast with you, *having eyes full of adultery and that cannot cease from sin, enticing unstable souls. They have a heart trained in covetous practices, and are accursed children. *They have forsaken the right way and gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Beor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; *but he was rebuked for his iniquity: a dumb donkey speaking with a man’s voice restrained the madness of the prophet.*These are wells without water, clouds carried by a tempest, for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.*For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped from those who live in error. *While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage. *For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. *For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. *But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.” - 2 Peter 2:1-22 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Peter2:1-22&version=NIV
 
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I think 2 PET 2:1-2 and James 3:1-2 speak about this very topic
2nd peter 2:1-2
King James Version(KJV)

1.)But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2.)And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
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James 3:1-2
King James Version(KJV)

1.)My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.

2.)For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.
 
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I don't put eschatology in the same category as soteriology when it comes to false teaching.
Is that your standard operating proceedure?
Deflecting? No, but it is yours. Congrats! Once again you lay blame on others.
 
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I love that scripture 2 Peter 2:1-2 ..The denying the Lord that bought them is denying what the Lord has done for us in His finished work on the cross and in His resurrection and ascension to the right hand of the Father...beautiful!


2nd peter 2:1-2
King James Version(KJV)

1.)But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2.)And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
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James 3:1-2
King James Version(KJV)

1.)My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.

2.)For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.
 
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Accountability..... answering to God when you claim to be "led of the Spirit" when yer only beating yer armchair pulpit, quoting an internet source or a book. :rolleyes:
 

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Deflecting? No, but it is yours. Congrats! Once again you lay blame on others.
I simply asked you a question, "Is that your standard procedure?" How do you get 'deflecting' out of that? How is it I am blaming anyone?
I explained after that there are non essential categories such as the rapture, in which I do not see as a basis for getting bent out of shape.

From this:My post
Most of these types aren't His in the first place and the ones that are He chastises..

They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
(1Jn 2:19)


And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
(Heb 12:5-6)
You came on with this (post #25)
Does it ever dawn on you that you may be one of "most of these types?" You're so quick to point to others. What if rapture theology is a "false interpretation?" What if pre- and post- are false? What if I'm wrong and one of those things is right? Am I a "most of these types" then? What if we got it wrong on the age of the earth? What if predestination is true? What if it's not like any of us consider it? What if...? Not once? Not in your entire walk with Christ? Never ever? You have never discovered you got something wrong? If you have, how about stop assuming it's always "these types?" What if you are "these types" still? And, if you've never ever discovered you got something wrong? You're not studying right!
I think your beef is with the Apostle John, not me.

John himself said 'they went out from us (is that my fault?) because they were not of us (there is your reason).
I tempered that with the Hebrews quote meaning 'those that are His, He loves and disciplines'.
 
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As others have said, a factor will probably we whether they knowingly lead people astray, genuinely believe they are leading people TO God, or maybe the third option . try to lead people to God in a way that leave themselves well off
 
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I have a simple question.

Does God hold those who lead people away from him by teaching false interpretations of scripture as fact, accountable for their actions?


Did you know that king james was a pediphile and a homosexual? also took many chapters out of the bible?
Probably because he couldnt profit from it. But you guys love your little book though.
Update: http://www.libchrist.com/other/homosexua...
Update 2: thelostbooks.com https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080531015640AAIfez6


That explains why everyone is lost; because I remember a time that I was battling online with a pagan worshiper. She stated that God allowed the men to rape their enemies slaves, and she posted the KJV verse that says it. But that it is how a person perception is. But then i explained the verse to her about in those days, they did not have government assistance programs to help the widows or the orphans; and so God had told them to take their slaves as concubines and which the concubines reward them for taking care of them with sex and or being their servants, and which they still does that in some countries. but they were not allowed to do that to their enemies' wives as sex servants because they belong with their husband that are dead. But if the concubines were released into the wilderness, they will surely die because of what type of world they lived in, and God couldn't force to people to killed them because they weren't there on their own freewill. But king James was trying to clean up his image by adding his own thoughts of how to translated the word to fit his lifestyle.
 

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Did you know that king james was a pediphile and a homosexual? also took many chapters out of the bible?
Probably because he couldnt profit from it. But you guys love your little book though.
Update: http://www.libchrist.com/other/homosexua...
Update 2: thelostbooks.com https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080531015640AAIfez6


That explains why everyone is lost; because I remember a time that I was battling online with a pagan worshiper. She stated that God allowed the men to rape their enemies slaves, and she posted the KJV verse that says it. But that it is how a person perception is. But then i explained the verse to her about in those days, they did not have government assistance programs to help the widows or the orphans; and so God had told them to take their slaves as concubines and which the concubines reward them for taking care of them with sex and or being their servants, and which they still does that in some countries. but they were not allowed to do that to their enemies' wives as sex servants because they belong with their husband that are dead. But if the concubines were released into the wilderness, they will surely die because of what type of world they lived in, and God couldn't force to people to killed them because they weren't there on their own freewill. But king James was trying to clean up his image by adding his own thoughts of how to translated the word to fit his lifestyle.
And do you really think that King James actually translated the King James Bible?
 
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Didn't someone say that the KJV fell out of Jesus' sleeve as He was ascending to heaven on the Mount of Olives?..I'm sure I saw someone post that one time...
 

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I apologize for not returning sooner, but things have been a little hectic here.

Thank you for your responses.

When or is the student of false teaching held accountable?