Adam is not man of ch.1

[joefizz]

I posted this playfully on another thread: but it works here to show what happens when syntax rules are ignored:

Proof COWS HAVE 11 legs.

Impirically observed: No cow has 7 legs.

Impirically observed: A cow has 4 more legs than no cow.

Proof: Cows have 11 legs 7+4=11!

Words are my favorite toys!

My turn...
Belief: I am a coyote
Evidence: I can howl,I have teeth,nails,and hair,I eat animals.
Conclusion:I am a Coyote
It just stands to reason right?

 

[Enoch987]

Noah descended from Adam so after the Flood, the only men post Flood were from Adam. The Rephaim were later wiped out.
Nahor Jr. married the daughter of his brother Haran and Abram/Abraham married his half sister so marrying your sister was not a sin because the gene pool wasn't corrupted like it is today so God did not make law regarding not marrying your sister until Moses. Isaac married his cousin Rebekah and Jacob too.
How do you know the BC dating of secular history is correct and the biblical dating is incorrect?
You raise an interesting point about Cain's cities but in the end, Noah was descended from Adam. Noah was perfect in his genes.

 

[joefizz]

Noah descended from Adam so after the Flood, the only men post Flood were from Adam. The Rephaim were later wiped out.
Nahor Jr. married the daughter of his brother Haran and Abram/Abraham married his half sister so marrying your sister was not a sin because the gene pool wasn't corrupted like it is today so God did not make law regarding not marrying your sister until Moses. Isaac married his cousin Rebekah and Jacob too.
How do you know the BC dating of secular history is correct and the biblical dating is incorrect?
You raise an interesting point about Cain's cities but in the end, Noah was descended from Adam. Noah was perfect in his genes.

Yeah I think the Op just kind of "scrambled things up" it happens,but "pride" particularly can keep one from "knowing truth".
When a person can humbly say "I don't understand" to God/Jesus then one can "begin to understand".

 

[wolfwint]

The dating of the forming or beginning of Adam can’t be reduced to an exact year because as you will see, there are too many variables involved but all result in the same answer.
All of Christianity can be grouped into two classifications, 1. Young – Earth creationists and 2. Old – Earth creationists.
All Young – Earth Creationist put Adam at 4004 BC while all Old – Earth Creationist put Adam at 10,000 BC or older and consider Adam as man in chapter 1 and that we are all descendants of Adam.
The following claim is based completely on seven generations through the lineage of Seth-Genesis ch5 and Cain- Genesis chapter 4,v17 thru v22.
In the generations through Seth, the age of the father at the birth of his first son is given while the ages are not given through the generations of Cain.
This method requires the assumption that seven generations of two brothers will be approximately the same number of years, but it could be hundreds of years off and still have the same result.

Generations through Seth and age at birth Generations through Cain
1) Adam to Seth 130 years 1) Adam to Cain
2) Seth to Enos 105 years 2) Cain to Enoch
3) Enos to Cainan 90 years 3) Enoch to Irad
4) Cainan to Mahalaleel 70 years 4) Irad to Mehujel
5) Mahalaleel to Jared 65 years 5) Mehujel to Methusael
6) Jared to Enoch 162 years 6) Methusael to Lamech
7) Enoch to Methuselah 65 years 7) Lamech to Tubalcain

Adding all the years from Adam to Methuselah equal 687 years.
Tubalcain (the seventh generation thru Cain) has an odd”smoking gun” fact added. “He was an instructor of every artificier in brass and iron:”
This has to mean that he lived at some time during the Iron Age.
Depending on the specific area of the Middle East, these are the generally accepted four ages of man:
Iron Age- 1200 BC to 600 BC
Bronze Age- 3500 BC to 1200 BC
Copper Age- 5500 BC to 3500 BC
Stone Age- 2.6 million to 3500 BC

We don't know when in the iron age Tubalcain lived but:
if we add the seven generations from Adam which equals 687 years to the beginning of the Iron Age and to the end of the Iron Age we get this:
687 687
+1200 BC +600 BC
1887 BC 1287 BC

No matter which number you go by, you come up with Adam being formed in the Bronze Age and nowhere even close to the beginning of mankind.
These two partial chapters of Genesis bring up some questions worth some thought:
1. Seth hadn't been born yet. Who was Cain afraid of that would kill him when no one else existed except for Adam and Eve according to creationism??
2. Who did Cain marry when no one else was around to marry and why did he build a city for himself, his wife, and Enoch??
3. Who did Cain and Seth Mary? A sister???
4. Would it have been God's plan and intention that the descendents of Adam would practice incest and inbreeding??
The most logical answer to all of these questions is that we need to leave Genesis chronologically correct, Adam wasn't man of chapter 1, mankind of chapter 1 was in the existence before Adam was formed and the women of chapter 1 are who Adams descendants married..
This would also mean that not all men are descended from Adam.
This book is evidence that:
All men aren’t direct descendants of Adam.
Adam wasn’t the first man.
Adam of chapter 2 is not man of chapter 1.
This interpretation also leaves Genesis chronologically correct as is all the other books of the Bible.

It seems you know more then God who has revealed his Word to us. Why you have a Problem simply to believe the Word of God? You rather believe humans theorys then the Creator himself.
If not all mankind is Coming from Adam and Eva, then the other humans were without sin. Because only the decendes from Adam and Eva are under sin.

 

[Depleted]

Where do all of the nut jobs come from???????

Ummmm, we've been on these boards for years. Why ask now?

 

[DevotiontoBible]

The dating of the forming or beginning of Adam can’t be reduced to an exact year because as you will see, there are too many variables involved but all result in the same answer.
All of Christianity can be grouped into two classifications, 1. Young – Earth creationists and 2. Old – Earth creationists.
All Young – Earth Creationist put Adam at 4004 BC while all Old – Earth Creationist put Adam at 10,000 BC or older and consider Adam as man in chapter 1 and that we are all descendants of Adam.
The following claim is based completely on seven generations through the lineage of Seth-Genesis ch5 and Cain- Genesis chapter 4,v17 thru v22.
In the generations through Seth, the age of the father at the birth of his first son is given while the ages are not given through the generations of Cain.
This method requires the assumption that seven generations of two brothers will be approximately the same number of years, but it could be hundreds of years off and still have the same result.

Generations through Seth and age at birth Generations through Cain
1) Adam to Seth 130 years 1) Adam to Cain
2) Seth to Enos 105 years 2) Cain to Enoch
3) Enos to Cainan 90 years 3) Enoch to Irad
4) Cainan to Mahalaleel 70 years 4) Irad to Mehujel
5) Mahalaleel to Jared 65 years 5) Mehujel to Methusael
6) Jared to Enoch 162 years 6) Methusael to Lamech
7) Enoch to Methuselah 65 years 7) Lamech to Tubalcain

Adding all the years from Adam to Methuselah equal 687 years.
Tubalcain (the seventh generation thru Cain) has an odd”smoking gun” fact added. “He was an instructor of every artificier in brass and iron:”
This has to mean that he lived at some time during the Iron Age.
Depending on the specific area of the Middle East, these are the generally accepted four ages of man:
Iron Age- 1200 BC to 600 BC
Bronze Age- 3500 BC to 1200 BC
Copper Age- 5500 BC to 3500 BC
Stone Age- 2.6 million to 3500 BC

We don't know when in the iron age Tubalcain lived but:
if we add the seven generations from Adam which equals 687 years to the beginning of the Iron Age and to the end of the Iron Age we get this:
687 687
+1200 BC +600 BC
1887 BC 1287 BC

No matter which number you go by, you come up with Adam being formed in the Bronze Age and nowhere even close to the beginning of mankind.
These two partial chapters of Genesis bring up some questions worth some thought:
1. Seth hadn't been born yet. Who was Cain afraid of that would kill him when no one else existed except for Adam and Eve according to creationism??
2. Who did Cain marry when no one else was around to marry and why did he build a city for himself, his wife, and Enoch??
3. Who did Cain and Seth Mary? A sister???
4. Would it have been God's plan and intention that the descendents of Adam would practice incest and inbreeding??
The most logical answer to all of these questions is that we need to leave Genesis chronologically correct, Adam wasn't man of chapter 1, mankind of chapter 1 was in the existence before Adam was formed and the women of chapter 1 are who Adams descendants married..
This would also mean that not all men are descended from Adam.
This book is evidence that:
All men aren’t direct descendants of Adam.
Adam wasn’t the first man.
Adam of chapter 2 is not man of chapter 1.
This interpretation also leaves Genesis chronologically correct as is all the other books of the Bible.

He could have lived before the recognized iron age date. This is from Encyclopedia Britannica:

Although in the Middle East iron had limited use as a scarce and precious metal as early as 3000 BCE, there is no indication that people at that time recognized its superior qualities over those of bronze.


Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.