Against OSAS: some of the best warnings to the churches!

[Grace777x70]

That is a typical false grace teachers statement.
The Greek tense for Col 1: 23 is, a continuous action.
The meaning for, Grounded and not moved, is, "To be continuously in the faith".

Jesus is only coming back for those who are,
living right, Matt 25: 1--13.
Who are watching and praying to be counted worthy, Lk 21: 36
Love Him, 1 Cor 16: 22.
That are holy and without blemish, Eph 5: 26--27.
Looking for Him, Heb 9: 28.
Purifies themselves, 1 Jn 3: 2--3.

Forget what JP said, when he said, "You don't have to be holy or faithful".
The of cause there are Heb 6: 4--6. Heb 10: 26--31,

Noted Greek scholar A.T. Robertson is a hyper-grace believer in Christ's finished work too! How blessed he is to know the Lord's great salvation and total forgiveness by His blood and by believing in Christ's completed work on our behalf!

Unfortunately everyone on planet earth that doesn't see things like you do are according to you "ignorant of the Bible and are false teachers." I think we are all catching on.

 

[valiant]

You are saying God is a respecter of people,

No, GOD says He is a respecter of persons but not on the basis of what they are,

Because according to you it's God who seeks us, so those who get saved, must be the ones that God wants, and those who don't get saved, is because God didn't seek them.

God chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world. He doesn't 'seek us'. He is working out His own purpose.

Plus, you said everything we have is by grace, and that means those who don't have, is because God hasn't graced them.

quite right, at last you're getting there. All is of God's true grace,

The false grace teachers only give the God side of the Bible, and reject the part that says "we have to do".

God's side is the only one that counts. The part that says we have to do is also God's side. He enables us to do it. We cannot do anything without God.

 

[valiant]

The Greek tense for Col 1: 23 is, a continuous action. The meaning for, Grounded and not moved, is, "To be continuously in the faith".

It SAYS, 'provided that you continue in THE FAITH, grounded and settled, not shifting from the hope of the Gospel which you have heard--'.

That is simply saying that that is required of a believer. that they continue in the faith (what is generally taught) grounded and settled and not shifting from the hope of the Gospel which you have heard--

That sounds to me what a believer will do (continue in the faith), as opposed to one who has heard and not finally believed.

Jesus is only coming back for those who are,

who said so?

living right, Matt 25: 1--13.

no, those who are fully equipped as opposed to those who couldn't care less. Of the latter Jesus says, 'I do not KNOW you'. That is why they were rejected.

Who are watching and praying to be counted worthy, Lk 21: 36

are not all Christians?

Love Him, 1 Cor 16: 22.

Don't all Christians?

That are holy and without blemish, Eph 5: 26--27.

He makes them when He comes holy and without blemish. Do you think that you are NOW holy and without blemish? Because I can prove otherwise.

Looking for Him, Heb 9: 28. Purifies themselves, 1 Jn 3: 2--3.

we should all be doing this.

Forget what JP said, when he said, "You don't have to be holy or faithful".

taken out of context?

Then of cause there are Heb 6: 4--6. Heb 10: 26--31,

Describing those who do not finally find the true faith,

 

[Magenta]

We cannot do anything without God.

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[Stephen63]

God; "I will cause you to.....". I will, I will, I will, says the Lord God almighty.

Yep.....
Revelation 2:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
[HR][/HR]Revelation 2:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
[HR][/HR]Revelation 2:22 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
[HR][/HR]Revelation 2:23 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
[HR][/HR]Revelation 3:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
[HR][/HR]Revelation 3:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Yes, He will.

 

[Grace777x70]

Whenever obscure scriptures "seem" to be contrary to the abundance of very clear scriptures on the grace of Christ and salvation then we should never allow these obscure ones to take away the clear ones.

When we take a good detailed look into the churches of Revelation we can see some things that will help clarify them.

Here is a grace-based look at the churches of Revelation in detail if anyone is interested in those.

In revelation 2 one of the people that Jesus called to repent ( change your mind ) is Jezebel . Here are below some great grace-based teaching on this subject and many others too.

I like to use this website as it tackles the obscure scriptures and often false assumptions and accusations about the grace of Christ. It also has questions at the bottom of each article where you can ask questions. I often learn a lot from these that other people have asked.

It's important to feed ourselves in the areas that the Lord is bringing to us to look into so that we can grow in the grace and knowledge of Him.

Rest assured it is NOT our Advocate that is accusing us. He does love us and correct us but never accuses us. That is the very name of satan is accuser. I can assure you that Jesus is not satan.

There are a number of articles about the people in Revelation 2 and 3..:

Strike Her Children Dead (Revelation 2:23) ( Jezebel one )

https://escapetoreality.org/2015/06/...velation-2v23/


This one is all about the Laodicean church.

https://escapetoreality.org/category/laodicean-church/

This one is about " Incomplete Deeds: The Zombie Church of Sardis (Rev 3:1-6)"

https://escapetoreality.org/2010/04/...rdis-rev-31-6/

Here is one about." Forsaking Your First Love: What Was the Ephesians’ Problem? (Rev 2:1-7)"

https://escapetoreality.org/2010/04/...blem-rev-21-7/

Here is one about " Holding Fast in Thyatira: The Seductress versus the Savior (Rev 2:18-29)

https://escapetoreality.org/2010/04/...or-rev-218-29/

 

[mailmandan]

Terrible application. No inference here that she should be sinless. Stop being an adulterer yes but sinless nope.

Amen Roger! I've seen plenty of people abuse and misuse the words of Jesus "go and sin no more" in John 8:11 to teach "sinless perfection." Jesus was telling her to go and leave her life of sin. She had been practicing adultery. Jesus cannot compromise his perfect holy standard, so of course He is not going to say, "go and just sin a little bit."

 

[mailmandan]

Saving Faith = belief-faith-trust-obedience

Saving Faith = belief-trust-reliance in Christ for salvation. Obedience which follows is works.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Yep.....
Revelation 2:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
[HR][/HR]Revelation 2:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
[HR][/HR]Revelation 2:22 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
[HR][/HR]Revelation 2:23 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
[HR][/HR]Revelation 3:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
[HR][/HR]Revelation 3:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Yes, He will.

None of which has anything to do with the "I wills" of God within the context of the new covenant in which we now live.

 

[Stephen63]

Whenever obscure scriptures "seem" to be contrary to the abundance of very clear scriptures on the grace of Christ and salvation then we should never allow these obscure ones to take away the clear ones.

When we take a good detailed look into the churches of Revelation we can see some things that will help clarify them.

Here is a grace-based look at the churches of Revelation in detail if anyone is interested in those.

In revelation 2 one of the people that Jesus called to repent ( change your mind ) is Jezebel . Here are below some great grace-based teaching on this subject and many others too.

I like to use this website as it tackles the obscure scriptures and often false assumptions and accusations about the grace of Christ. It also has questions at the bottom of each article where you can ask questions. I often learn a lot from these that other people have asked.

It's important to feed ourselves in the areas that the Lord is bringing to us to look into so that we can grow in the grace and knowledge of Him.

Rest assured it is NOT our Advocate that is accusing us. He does love us and correct us but never accuses us. That is the very name of satan is accuser. I can assure you that Jesus is not satan.

There are a number of articles about the people in Revelation 2 and 3..:

Strike Her Children Dead (Revelation 2:23) ( Jezebel one )

https://escapetoreality.org/2015/06/...velation-2v23/


This one is all about the Laodicean church.

https://escapetoreality.org/category/laodicean-church/

This one is about " Incomplete Deeds: The Zombie Church of Sardis (Rev 3:1-6)"

https://escapetoreality.org/2010/04/...rdis-rev-31-6/

Here is one about." Forsaking Your First Love: What Was the Ephesians’ Problem? (Rev 2:1-7)"

https://escapetoreality.org/2010/04/...blem-rev-21-7/

Here is one about " Holding Fast in Thyatira: The Seductress versus the Savior (Rev 2:18-29)

https://escapetoreality.org/2010/04/...or-rev-218-29/

That website needs to follow its own advice on its name: escape to reality, lol.

 

[Stephen63]

None of which has anything to do with the "I wills" of God within the context of the new covenant in which we now live.

Really? Has nothing to do with the covenant? Jesus the I Am Himself said this, & it has no bearing on the New Covenant?

You heard it right, dear readers..... what Jesus said had nothing to do with His own covenant..... so ignore what Jesus said & believe hypergrace.

 

[mailmandan]

Colossians 1:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.

People who fail to continue in the faith that they profess to have and lose hope in the gospel demonstrate that they "believed in vain" (did not truly believe) in the first place (1 Corinthians 15:1-2). Faith for such people was never firmly rooted and established. Saving faith in Christ continues and is not some shallow, temporary belief that has no root, produces no fruit and withers away.

The word "if" here is not ean, an unfulfilled, hypothetical condition used with the subjunctive mode, presenting the possibility of a future realization, but ei with the indicative, having here the idea of "assuming that you continue in the faith." That is, continuance would show that the person's faith is firmly established in the hope of the gospel and they really HAVE BEEN reconciled. The form of this phrase in Greek (using the Gk. particle ei and the indicative mood of the verb epimenō) indicates that Paul fully expects that the Colossian believers will continue in the faith; no doubt is expressed.

It's only natural that Paul would speak this way, for he is addressing a large group of people who profess to be Christians, without being able to infallibly know the actual state of every person's heart. How can Paul avoid giving them false assurance here that they will be eternally saved when in fact some of them may not? Paul knows that faith which is firmly rooted and established from the start will continue. Those who continue (demonstrative evidence) show thereby that they are genuine believers. But those who do not continue show that their faith was never firmly rooted and established from the start.

 

[Grace777x70]

The Holy Spirit Himself testifies to us that He remembers sins no more.

Hebrews 10:14-18 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.

[SUP]15 [/SUP] And the Holy Spirit also testifies to us;for after saying,

[SUP]16 [/SUP] "THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS UPON THEIR HEART, AND ON THEIR MIND I WILL WRITE THEM," He then says,

[SUP]17 [/SUP] "AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."

[SUP]18 [/SUP] Now where there is forgiveness of these things, there is no longer any offering for sin.

 

[AuntieAnt]

Amen Roger! I've seen plenty of people abuse and misuse the words of Jesus "go and sin no more" in John 8:11 to teach "sinless perfection." Jesus was telling her to go and leave her life of sin. She had been practicing adultery. Jesus cannot compromise his perfect holy standard, so of course He is not going to say, "go and just sin a little bit."

You sound like Nicodemus, "Can I go back into my mother's womb and be born again?" You are explaining things in your own understanding, in your intellect. Not with the spiritual mind of Christ.

Jesus did not call the woman an adulteress or a sinner. In fact, he said, "I don't condemn you."

No, when Jesus said, "Go, and sin no more," he was commanding she wouldn't sin anymore! Like he commanded the wind and the sea to obey him, ("Peace, be still!") Jesus was now Lord of this woman's life. She was set free! She was renewed spiritually! She was a new creation! She was no longer under the label "adulteress." She was a child of God.

And no man could condemn her because they all sulked away from Jesus in fear that they would be exposed. Their own hearts condemned them. They believed they were sinners. She didn't believe that lie anymore.

As long as people feel they are obeying God like servants, rather than saints following him as friends, they are like the prodigal son, "If my father would take me on as a servant, at least I will have someplace to live and won't perish." When you finally realize that Jesus is Lord of your life, you won't worry about falling away from him. The kingdom of heaven is within you, and if you are a vessel of the Holy Spirit, the god of this world can't abide in you. You are a saint.

Honestly, I'm absolutely astonished that so many Christians are still walking like babes, believing God isn't faithful or awesome enough to keep them and make them more into the image of his son. I'm so sad right now thinking how grieved Jesus was when people just couldn't get it into their hearts that he was genuinely Lord of all. That he was able to keep them from falling away from him.

 

[mailmandan]

Matt 25: 1--13.
The oil in the lamps is the Holy Spirit. The ones who didn’t have oil were dependent upon what they already possessed of themselves. God says, “I don’t know you,” to our flesh.

It's interesting how the 5 foolish virgins said, ‘Lord, Lord,’ ‘open the door for us!’ “But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’ (Matthew 25:11-12). Where have I heard this before? Matthew 7:22 - 'Lord, Lord,' have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

And yet you want to continue to tell the world that they should listen to you and make themselves presentable to God over and over again and have faith in their own works.

Just like these many people in Matthew 7:22-23.

 

[UnderGrace]

AuntieAnt,

You have tremendous insight of/by the Holy Spirit....I am blessed by everything you post!

You sound like Nicodemus, "Can I go back into my mother's womb and be born again?" You are explaining things in your own understanding, in your intellect. Not with the spiritual mind of Christ.

Jesus did not call the woman an adulteress or a sinner. In fact, he said, "I don't condemn you."

No, when Jesus said, "Go, and sin no more," he was commanding she wouldn't sin anymore! Like he commanded the wind and the sea to obey him, ("Peace, be still!") Jesus was now Lord of this woman's life. She was set free! She was renewed spiritually! She was a new creation! She was no longer under the label "adulteress." She was a child of God.

And no man could condemn her because they all sulked away from Jesus in fear that they would be exposed. Their own hearts condemned them. They believed they were sinners. She didn't believe that lie anymore.

As long as people feel they are obeying God like servants, rather than saints following him as friends, they are like the prodigal son, "If my father would take me on as a servant, at least I will have someplace to live and won't perish." When you finally realize that Jesus is Lord of your life, you won't worry about falling away from him. The kingdom of heaven is within you, and if you are a vessel of the Holy Spirit, the god of this world can't abide in you. You are a saint.

Honestly, I'm absolutely astonished that so many Christians are still walking like babes, believing God isn't faithful or awesome enough to keep them and make them more into the image of his son. I'm so sad right now thinking how grieved Jesus was when people just couldn't get it into their hearts that he was genuinely Lord of all. That he was able to keep them from falling away from him.

 

[mailmandan]

You sound like Nicodemus, "Can I go back into my mother's womb and be born again?" You are explaining things in your own understanding, in your intellect. Not with the spiritual mind of Christ.

Jesus did not call the woman an adulteress or a sinner. In fact, he said, "I don't condemn you."

No, when Jesus said, "Go, and sin no more," he was commanding she wouldn't sin anymore!

Woe! I thought we were on the same team here. Do you believe that when Jesus told the woman to "go and sin no more" that He truly expected her from that moment on to live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, perfect life?

 

[AuntieAnt]

Jesus keeps you whether you believe him or not. He is faithful and can't deny himself. He was, is and always will be Lord of All. But if you choose not to believe him, you're walking spiritually blind, your eyes focused only on the outward man. If you walk by faith in Christ alone, you will see that you are in reality set free.

 

[mailmandan]

AuntieAnt,

You have tremendous insight of/by the Holy Spirit....I am blessed by everything you post!

I was thinking the same thing, UNTIL she told me that I sounded like Nicodemus.

 

[Grace777x70]

Personally I don't think the woman that was caught in adultery was a new creation as Jesus had not died yet nor was resurrected in order for her to become a new creation in Christ. I do believe that "hearing" Jesus' words that He didn't condemn her did give her the strength to "go and sin no more" in the situation that He was talking to her about.

These people were still under the Law until Christ died. We too have died to the Law and have now been joined to another - Jesus our Lord. Romans 7:1-6