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Of the greatest points identifying the blurring of Yhvh heart is brought to light when Jeremiah warned us the scribes were writing lies in their transcribing of the Torah; not something we often hear preached from the pulpit. Are we to be as the Hebrews in following after our own ways, worshiping the god of our own hearts, denying the words of the Bible that point out the corruption installed by man?

Jer 23:26-27
Is there anything in the hearts of the prophets who prophesy falsehood, even these prophets of the deception of their own heart, who intend to make My people forget My name by their dreams which they relate to one another, just as their fathers forgot My name because of Baal?

What the Word does, is warn us of these distortions and give us direction to sort man from the word of Adonai.

Jeremiah 28:8-9
"The prophets who were before me and before you from ancient times prophesied against many lands and against great kingdoms, of war and of calamity and of pestilence. "The prophet who prophesies of peace, when the word of the prophet comes to pass, then that prophet will be known as one whom the LORD has truly sent." NASU

This is supported in many places such as when Yeshua points out man's willingness to teach man-made rules as if they were the doctrine of Almighty God;

Mark 7:7-8
But in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of man. "Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men."

This demonstrates the willingness of the Jewish hierarchy to pervert the words of Adonai to meet their needs. This is just as common today as it was then. We also see direct evidence of this with Moses’ declaration of why he sent spies into the Promised Land. In Numbers 13:1,2 the Bible states the Lord told Moses to send out spies to test the land of their inheritance. Then in Deuteronomy 1:22 Moses makes it clear that it was the Israelites who called for the spies to be sent, admitting it just sounded good to his own ears.

Many similar examples exist throughout the Old Testament, lending to a fuller understanding of the evil in man’s heart and how self-serving the scribes were in their copying of the Torah. Yeshua demonstrates how even the greatest men of the bible faltered when He tells Israel: “Moses gave you the decree of divorce for your hardness of heart but from the beginning it has not been so.”

Mark 10:5-9
Because of your hardness of heart he wrote you this commandment. "But from the beginning of creation, God made them male and female. for this reason a man shall leave his mother and father, and the two shall become one flesh; so they are no longer two, but one flesh. "What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate."

Proving Moses had failed to keep Yhvh’s name holy by saying “God said” when it truly came from the heart of a man.

If faltering was true with Moses’ actions, how much more so with the rest of mankind?

Throughout history man has perverted Yhvh’s words not just to control man, but also in an attempt to ‘help’ Yhvh express what the scribes thought Yhvh was really trying to say or one of a plethora of similar reasons.

We falter claiming the Bible is the verbatim or inherent word of Yhvh as the statement is in itself, direct contrast to the verses themselves and therefore in contrast to Yhvh’s words. The only thing in the bible that is inherent is Yeshua and even the bible tells us that the bible is the inspired word of Yhvh.

2 Tim 3:15-17
All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

Definition of "inspired" - based on a particular motive or example
Definition of "adequate" - enough, sufficient in quality or quantity to meet a need or qualify for something, just barely enough

“Inspired words” are defined by traditionalists as inherent and inerrant, the absolute quote and factually verbatim words of Yhvh. But the word inspired, by definition, leaves room for interpretation, conclusions and self-inspired input. This allows for the circumstances of life and the personality of the one inspired, to be undeniable influences on the recorded messages. Look at Jeremiah, anger and destruction accompanied his words of warning; yet by his own words, it is only the prophet who gave a message of peace who would test as true! (Jeremiah 28:8-9) Understanding the influencing factors is important so the reader can recognize the places in the Word that lead to confusion.

It is possible to sort man from Yhvh’s word enough to look at the heart of Abba Yhvh for who He is, rather than who man would have Him. We are adamant in telling everyone that Yhvh speaks to each of us in whatever way it takes for us to know our calling. Yet we refuse to consider how Yhvh spoke to men in the past, conveying His message as a concept they could comprehend, or even how man has tried through the ages to justify what he did not know, understand or agree with. All things considered, the misinterpretations, and so called contradictions, become greatly simplified.
 
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It is possible to sort man from Yhvh’s word enough to look at the heart of Abba Yhvh for who He is, rather than who man would have Him. We are adamant in telling everyone that Yhvh speaks to each of us in whatever way it takes for us to know our calling. Yet we refuse to consider how Yhvh spoke to men in the past, conveying His message as a concept they could comprehend, or even how man has tried through the ages to justify what he did not know, understand or agree with. All things considered, the misinterpretations, and so called contradictions, become greatly simplified.
 
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Of the greatest points identifying the blurring of Yhvh heart is brought to light when Jeremiah warned us the scribes were writing lies in their transcribing of the Torah;

Jer 23:26-27
Is there anything in the hearts of the prophets who prophesy falsehood, even these prophets of the deception of their own heart, who intend to make My people forget My name by their dreams which they relate to one another, just as their fathers forgot My name because of Baal?
This is not about scribes transcribing the Torah,
this is about false prophets, such as those who prophesied peace instead of God's judgment.

Jeremiah 28:8-9
"The prophets who were before me and before you from ancient times prophesied against many lands and against great kingdoms, of war and of calamity and of pestilence. "The prophet who prophesies of peace, when the word of the prophet comes to pass, then that prophet will be known as one whom the LORD has truly sent." NASU
This is not about distortion of Scripture.

This is the test God gave them to identify a false prophet (prophesying peace) and a true prophet.

An understanding of Scripture in its context is called for here.
 
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Now you are being just to lacking intelligence with your affixed ignorance, that I am simply my casting pearls before swine! You just ignored a strait forward statement clearly twisting it beyond recognition! Get thee behind me Satan!


This is not about scribes transcribing the Torah,
this is about false prophets, such as those who prophesied peace instead of God's judgment.


This is not about distortion of Scripture.

This is the test God gave them to identify a false prophet (prophesying peace) and a true prophet.

An understanding of Scripture in its context is called for here.
 
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This is not about scribes transcribing the Torah,
this is about false prophets, such as those who prophesied peace instead of God's judgment.


This is not about distortion of Scripture.

This is the test God gave them to identify a false prophet (prophesying peace) and a true prophet.

An understanding of Scripture in its context is called for here.
You must be new. Woodartdon doesn't understand/use context.
 
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Now you are being just to lacking intelligence with your affixed ignorance, that I am simply my casting pearls before swine! You just ignored a strait forward statement clearly twisting it beyond recognition! Get thee behind me Satan!
All I hear from you: Anyone who disagrees me is of Satan!
 
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as I told yo before,"Changing the context can make anything say anything". So what are you doing with you context changes but trying to manipulate the Word.


You must be new. Woodartdon doesn't understand/use context.
 
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So what spirit are you showing here but the spirit of Satan? Is this letting you yes be yes and your no be no? What a log you have in your eye!


All I hear from you: Anyone who disagrees me is of Satan!
 
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The Laws were made by God through Moses' love that he had for the people. Moses was very over protective for the Hebrews that he had risked his life for them by killing the Egyptian. God review the Laws with Moses by knowing what Moses had felt about them. Moses had probably did not said a word about them, but I guess God know how Moses would had felt about the Laws. Moses knew that the people were like savages wasn't going to keep some of the laws, especially if they are unable to divorce their wives. So God has pleased Moses by lightening the load. The reason that there were so many Laws is because of Moses pleading to God for a way out for them not to be destroyed.

Matthew 19:[SUP]9 [/SUP]I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
[SUP]10 [/SUP]The disciples said to him, “If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.”

[SUP]11 [/SUP]Jesus replied,
“Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given.

Exodus 32:30

The next day Moses said to the people, “You have committed a great sin. But now I will go up to the Lord; perhaps I can make atonement for your sin.”

Exodus 32:32

But now, please forgive their sin—but if not, then blot me out of the book you have written.”

[SUP]Numbers 12:13 [/SUP]So Moses cried out to the Lord, “Please, God, heal her!”
[SUP]14 [/SUP]The Lord replied to Moses, “If her father had spit in her face, would she not have been in disgrace for seven days? Confine her outside the camp for seven days; after that she can be brought back.” [SUP]15 [/SUP]So Miriam was confined outside the camp for seven days, and the people did not move on till she was brought back.
 

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as I told yo before,"Changing the context can make anything say anything". So what are you doing with you context changes but trying to manipulate the Word.

you are a very ironic gentleman!

you write a lot about unity, but you venemously attack anyone who is not actively agreeing with everything you say.
you lambast preachers, but you post a lot of "preaching" of your own
you often say we must adopt the heart of God in love and graciousness, but you often speak in spite and callous disregard for your brothers.
you rail about context, but you don't take the words of Jeremiah in context.
you preach about the sanctity of the scripture, but you preach that it's corrupted.

you are a lot like me!

For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
(Romans 7:15)

ironic, eh?
 
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Now you are being just to lacking intelligence with your affixed ignorance, that I am simply my casting pearls before swine!
You just ignored a strait forward statement clearly twisting it beyond recognition! Get thee behind me Satan!
Agreed. . .it is a straight-forward statement, but the statement has nothing to do with distorting the Scripture.

Check its context.