Allow Christ to speak from their pulpits?
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If you recall, the Jews came to Jesus to ask Him what works they should be to be accepted by God. His answer was that they should believe on Him whom God had sent. So the "labour" which God requires is faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. And faith in Christ also means believing that the Lord of the Sabbath instituted the Lord's Day (the first day of the week) for worship, rest, and good works.
WHERE does JESUS - the REAL Jesus who died for us 'institute the first day of the week as His worship day ? I must have missed that !
I can see scripture telling us that MEN started doing this AFTER the original Disciples had been persecuted and killed....got out of the way... for UNGODLY men to creep into the church and establish their own 'roman god/jesus....and sunday worship.
The 7th day Sabbath was established at Creation and is still very much with us TODAY, though MEN will do their utmost to change time and seasons to gain their own ends. As 'Lord of the Sabbath Jesus (the real one) is the same 'yesterday, today and forever ! no changing horses in mid-stream to allow an imposter Mat 24v4 to sneak in.
You seem to be teaching what is not biblical !
I can see scripture telling us that MEN started doing this AFTER the original Disciples had been persecuted and killed....got out of the way... for UNGODLY men to creep into the church and establish their own 'roman god/jesus....and sunday worship.
The 7th day Sabbath was established at Creation and is still very much with us TODAY, though MEN will do their utmost to change time and seasons to gain their own ends. As 'Lord of the Sabbath Jesus (the real one) is the same 'yesterday, today and forever ! no changing horses in mid-stream to allow an imposter Mat 24v4 to sneak in.
You seem to be teaching what is not biblical !
Indeed you did. Had you studied the significance of the Lord's Day -- the first day of the week -- you would not have said "You seem to be teaching what is not biblical". So, in order to focus your attention on the first day of the week, I will quote just a small portion from Matthew Henry's Commentary on John 20:26 which presents the proper Christian and spiritual understanding of the first day of the week. Henry is explaining why the Risen Christ appeared to Thomas exactly eight days after His day of resurrection. Please read his entire commentary online:
"...That he might put an honour upon the first day of the week, and give a plain intimation of his will, that it should be observed in his church as the Christian sabbath, the weekly day of holy rest and holy convocations. That one day in seven should be religiously observed was an appointment from the beginning, as old as innocency; and that in the kingdom of the Messiah the first day of the week should be that solemn day this was indication enough, that Christ on that day once and again met his disciples in a religious assembly. It is highly probable that in his former appearance to them he appointed them that day seven-night to be together again, and promised to meet them; and also that he appeared to them every first day of the week, besides other times, during the forty days. The religious observance of that day has been thence transmitted down to us through every age of the church. This therefore is the day which the Lord has made..."
So it is only recently that Sabbatarians have been attempting to overthrow this teaching which is from the Bible. That is why John says in Revelation "I was in the Spirit on the LORD'S DAY..." (Rev 1:10). I trust this will suffice to show that you are on the wrong track, not those who worship on the Lord's Day.
"...That he might put an honour upon the first day of the week, and give a plain intimation of his will, that it should be observed in his church as the Christian sabbath, the weekly day of holy rest and holy convocations. That one day in seven should be religiously observed was an appointment from the beginning, as old as innocency; and that in the kingdom of the Messiah the first day of the week should be that solemn day this was indication enough, that Christ on that day once and again met his disciples in a religious assembly. It is highly probable that in his former appearance to them he appointed them that day seven-night to be together again, and promised to meet them; and also that he appeared to them every first day of the week, besides other times, during the forty days. The religious observance of that day has been thence transmitted down to us through every age of the church. This therefore is the day which the Lord has made..."
So it is only recently that Sabbatarians have been attempting to overthrow this teaching which is from the Bible. That is why John says in Revelation "I was in the Spirit on the LORD'S DAY..." (Rev 1:10). I trust this will suffice to show that you are on the wrong track, not those who worship on the Lord's Day.
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Actually...CHRIST is the Lord of a 'New Creation...but He is still the same Lord He has always been and always will be with the SABBATH (a holy period of time) as His foundation.
Whatever God does has to rest on a SURE foundation for ever...like building a house, you can't remove the foundation and still have it standing !
Whatever God does has to rest on a SURE foundation for ever...like building a house, you can't remove the foundation and still have it standing !
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This is called FALSE ACCUSATION or BEARING FALSE WITNESS. To call a godly man ungodly simply because you disagree through your own blindness is as much a sin as anything else. What Matthew Henry wrote is totally according to Scripture and lines up with the New Testament. But your false accusation does not.
This is called FALSE ACCUSATION or BEARING FALSE WITNESS. To call a godly man ungodly simply because you disagree through your own blindness is as much a sin as anything else. What Matthew Henry wrote is totally according to Scripture and lines up with the New Testament. But your false accusation does not.
Look, we are in dis-agreement because I don't hold with what some MAN teaches. He is not even using scripture ...but a concoction of his own ideas/understanding ....meaning it can be subtly manipulated ....not necessarily 'on purpose but in ignorance !
Once we move away from direct instructions and example by GOD and JESUS we become lost !!!
Once we move away from direct instructions and example by GOD and JESUS we become lost !!!
That too. But since Christ says "if any man hear my voice" that statement is made to the collective group of people in that church. And when you closely examine what they are devoid of, it would seem that the Laodiceans were Christian in name only. No genuine Christian would be called wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked. Believers cannot be naked since they are clothed with the robe of Christ's righteousness, and cannot be blind since the indwelling Holy Spirit gives them spiritual sight ad insight.
Rev 3:14-21
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
[SUP]15 [/SUP]I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
[SUP]18 [/SUP]I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
I see this church as the prosperity Gospel preachers of today.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
[SUP]15 [/SUP]I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
[SUP]18 [/SUP]I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
I see this church as the prosperity Gospel preachers of today.
It surely applies today,for the prosperity Gospel is big,even if some only go a little bit by their wants.
How many people do you see that actually does not abide by the prosperity Gospel,only going by their needs,and to help other people with their needs.
Act 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
Act 2:45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
Act 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
Act 4:34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
Act 4:35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
How often do we see this take place among the Christians,and today if you went next door to a Christian,and said,can I borrow a cup of sugar,they might chase you away with a broom.
1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
1Ti 6:6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
1Ti 6:8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
If they preach the prosperity Gospel withdraw yourselves from them,having food,and clothing,be content.
1Jn 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
1Jn 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
Jas 4:3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.
God only blesses us with our needs,and not our wants,and to help other people with their needs,for people are important to God,not blessing the saints with their wants,and lusts.
2Co 6:10 As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.
When the world views people they view them as rich if they have money,and material things.
But the saints appear to the world as poor,and having nothing,which obviously means God is not blessing them with money,and material things,for personal use other than their needs,or they would not appear to the world like that.
Of course in today's world they would view them as doing good,and being rich among some.
God said this generation will devour the poor from off the earth,and the needy from among men,and they will be pure in their own eyes,but will not be washed from their filthiness.
So there will be many people who claim Christ,heaping to themselves,for this is the generation of hypocrites a plenty.
1Ti 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous.
The preacher is not to be in the ministry for money.
God only blesses with our needs,not our wants,not for anything that does not pertain to our needs,and the needs of others,for God loves people,and if they fail to do it,the love of God does not dwell in them.
The prosperity Gospel people like Joel Osteen are worth millions of dollars,but that is not love,and it is not a part time thing,where you do it sometimes,but hold back other times,but all the time.
If Joel Osteen is worth 42 million dollars,he does not care like he should,but he does not understand the Bible as he should,looking at it as God wants the saints to have all those things,and money,but God loves people.
The Bible says some people have a form of godliness,but deny the power thereof,ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth,and that is cease from sinning,and love people,which Paul said charity,love in action.
How many people do you see that actually does not abide by the prosperity Gospel,only going by their needs,and to help other people with their needs.
Act 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
Act 2:45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
Act 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
Act 4:34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
Act 4:35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
How often do we see this take place among the Christians,and today if you went next door to a Christian,and said,can I borrow a cup of sugar,they might chase you away with a broom.
1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
1Ti 6:6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
1Ti 6:8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
If they preach the prosperity Gospel withdraw yourselves from them,having food,and clothing,be content.
1Jn 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
1Jn 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
Jas 4:3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.
God only blesses us with our needs,and not our wants,and to help other people with their needs,for people are important to God,not blessing the saints with their wants,and lusts.
2Co 6:10 As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.
When the world views people they view them as rich if they have money,and material things.
But the saints appear to the world as poor,and having nothing,which obviously means God is not blessing them with money,and material things,for personal use other than their needs,or they would not appear to the world like that.
Of course in today's world they would view them as doing good,and being rich among some.
God said this generation will devour the poor from off the earth,and the needy from among men,and they will be pure in their own eyes,but will not be washed from their filthiness.
So there will be many people who claim Christ,heaping to themselves,for this is the generation of hypocrites a plenty.
1Ti 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous.
The preacher is not to be in the ministry for money.
God only blesses with our needs,not our wants,not for anything that does not pertain to our needs,and the needs of others,for God loves people,and if they fail to do it,the love of God does not dwell in them.
The prosperity Gospel people like Joel Osteen are worth millions of dollars,but that is not love,and it is not a part time thing,where you do it sometimes,but hold back other times,but all the time.
If Joel Osteen is worth 42 million dollars,he does not care like he should,but he does not understand the Bible as he should,looking at it as God wants the saints to have all those things,and money,but God loves people.
The Bible says some people have a form of godliness,but deny the power thereof,ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth,and that is cease from sinning,and love people,which Paul said charity,love in action.