Allow Your Perfection

[JaumeJ]

This past week, a wonderful sister taught me something by example. She asked me why I thought her so good, perfect even, in spite of her confessing to me all of her faults. First I pointed out that she was humble in confiding in a brother her faults, and then the light showed brightly. As I spoke, I also listened to myself, sharing with her that I could not see her faults and if I could I still wuold not look at them, study them or use them as something against her because she has named Jesus Christ as her Salvation. This makes her and me family, and we are both a work in progress, with the promise of our perfection from our Father.

After saying this and hearing it, I realized all of us, because we believe we are to forgive and not judge in this age, should regard all whom we encounter as a work in progress or a potential work in progress, and we should never dwell upon anyone's sin, for the Son of Man came to forgive not to condemn. Since we are not to judge to damnation in this age, we, like our Father must look at others as perfect not seeing their sin. If we practice this, it takes a great burden off of many.

Be as is the Father, see the sinner, not the sin. Forgive without looking to see who is the person bein forgiven. Forgive all, and you are wealthy. This may be a bit ambiguous for some, but there is great blessing here.

 

[oldthennew]

JaumeJ,

oh brother, what a sweet heart you have, and you are so right when you say that looking for the good
in others is profitable - although we should always be aware that, as you say, we are all a
'work-in-progress' and are in constant need of refining, over-coming, self-examination, that we may
know the contents of our hearts in order to fulfill the scripture;

11COR.13:5.
Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the Faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves,
that Jesus Christ is in you? - unless indeed you are disqualified.

we EXAMINE ourselves and we ask our Father to be the Author and Finisher of our Faith -

Ps.26:2.
Examine me, O LORD, and prove me; try my reins and my heart.

as God The Father and Christ The Son work as a Team, this is our example, so we also are to
work as a team with God and His Son, Oh boy, who could beat this combination???
may the victory be ours, brothers and sisters.......

 

[JaumeJ]

Amen..........

 

[Least]

This past week, a wonderful sister taught me something by example. She asked me why I thought her so good, perfect even, in spite of her confessing to me all of her faults. First I pointed out that she was humble in confiding in a brother her faults, and then the light showed brightly. As I spoke, I also listened to myself, sharing with her that I could not see her faults and if I could I still wuold not look at them, study them or use them as something against her because she has named Jesus Christ as her Salvation. This makes her and me family, and we are both a work in progress, with the promise of our perfection from our Father.

After saying this and hearing it, I realized all of us, because we believe we are to forgive and not judge in this age, should regard all whom we encounter as a work in progress or a potential work in progress, and we should never dwell upon anyone's sin, for the Son of Man came to forgive not to condemn. Since we are not to judge to damnation in this age, we, like our Father must look at others as perfect not seeing their sin. If we practice this, it takes a great burden off of many.

Be as is the Father, see the sinner, not the sin. Forgive without looking to see who is the person bein forgiven. Forgive all, and you are wealthy. This may be a bit ambiguous for some, but there is great blessing here.

That is exactly that attitude that we as brothers and sisters in Christ should have toward one another. I was actually considering this not too long ago JaumeJ, and I realized that, as you said, "We are all a work in progress." When we become judgmental rather than encouraging we cast stumbling blocks in the paths of our brothers and sisters that we most definitely do not was cast in our own paths.

There's already enough debris in each believers paths, that we should be busy helping to clear out those things rather than to be finger pointers and add to the mess.

What a wonderful post to read today. Thank you so much for sharing.

 

[crossnote]

As usual, not scriptural...from that codgedy old Apostle of love...

3 John 1:9-11 (KJV)
9 I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not.
10 Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church.
11 Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.

But I guess these days "everything is beautiful, everything is love"

Signed,
Blue Meanie

 

[JaumeJ]

Text and text only is no way in any manner to receive understanding from our Father. The Holy Spirit affirms everything to all who believe, be it from the Holy Scriptures or be it freely written prose on a given subject based on the Holy Scriptures. The written word without the Holy Spirit kills, and I fear many who come into the forums come with the written Word only, and not armed with the understanding given to most by God, Himself.
As for what I post not being accompanied by the exact Scripture references, when I post, my posting is based on understanding given over many year of prayer, meditation, and reading continually in the Word: I could give the scoffers many Holy Scripture references supporting everything in this particular post, however I will leave it to be understood by others who know the same, from the Word and lit by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Least]

As usual, not scriptural...from that codgedy old Apostle of love...

3 John 1:9-11 (KJV)
9 I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not.
10 Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church.
11 Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.

But I guess these days "everything is beautiful, everything is love"

Signed,
Blue Meanie

Hey Crossnote,

Actually the topic is very scriptural. There's two principles that I can think of right now that apply to this.

The first involves judging not lest we be judged. I hear ya, about how many take the route of "live and let live,' just love," etc...

However, you don't have to look very far to see how some of the pharisees judged as written in the scriptures. They were always looking for (their own ideas) of what perfection is. Jesus corrected them many times. They also made many accusations about Jesus setting themselves in a position of having attained perfection. And as we know, they were no more perfect than you or I.

The second principle that I can think of right now is:

Jesus said that we should get the log out of our own eye before we try to take it out of our brother's eye. Paul also stated that we should judge ourselves and examine ourselves. This is great because it keeps our hearts and minds on a closer walk with the Lord. I'm so glad that it is written.

I think there are some very fine lines, and we each should seek out the Lord's will in our own lives before we point fingers at others of whom we neither know their thoughts or their hearts, but God does.

We should always speak the truth, and we should always warn a brother or sister if they are heading in a dangerous direction in their faith. But I think that, like the Pharisees that accused Jesus, there is an attitude in a lot of Christianity that is the same.

Check out the Westborro Baptist church....I'm sure you've heard of them. They are not alone...We all can be judgmental at times. But remembering that God has forgiven us and made changes in our lives, who are we to go against another believer who is genuinely seeking a closer walk with the Lord? Not to mention unbelievers who will never be drawn to Jesus by people who do nothing but look down on them.

In the case of the OP, the women came to him to confess some things that she struggles with. If you went to someone to confess your shortcomings, and they pointed their finger, looked down on you or spread what you had told them them, would you ever trust that person again? When we confess our sins to one another, it's not because we're proud of them, but it's because we want to overcome those things and are seeking help from a brother or sister. Our attitude at that point can do good or cause a lot of harm. Our hearts should be on the faith and relationship of the person who confesses to us, as much as it should be on our own.

James 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

That my friend, can be done in love or in malice. Which do you think is more acceptable to the Lord?

 

[crossnote]

Text and text only is no way in any manner to receive understanding from our Father. The Holy Spirit affirms everything to all who believe, be it from the Holy Scriptures or be it freely written prose on a given subject based on the Holy Scriptures. The written word without the Holy Spirit kills, and I fear many who come into the forums come with the written Word only, and not armed with the understanding given to most by God, Himself.
As for what I post not being accompanied by the exact Scripture references, when I post, my posting is based on understanding given over many year of prayer, meditation, and reading continually in the Word: I could give the scoffers many Holy Scripture references supporting everything in this particular post, however I will leave it to be understood by others who know the same, from the Word and lit by the Holy Spirit.

What is written in Scripture is by the Holy Spirit and is there for our edification and discernment. It is not "text only" if one has the Holy Spirit.

 

[crossnote]

As usual, not scriptural...from that codgedy old Apostle of love...

3 John 1:9-11 (KJV)
9 I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not.
10 Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church.
11 Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.

But I guess these days "everything is beautiful, everything is love"

Signed,
Blue Meanie

Hey Crossnote,

Actually the topic is very scriptural. There's two principles that I can think of right now that apply to this.

The first involves judging not lest we be judged. I hear ya, about how many take the route of "live and let live,' just love," etc...

However, you don't have to look very far to see how some of the pharisees judged as written in the scriptures. They were always looking for (their own ideas) of what perfection is. Jesus corrected them many times. They also made many accusations about Jesus setting themselves in a position of having attained perfection. And as we know, they were no more perfect than you or I.

The second principle that I can think of right now is:

Jesus said that we should get the log out of our own eye before we try to take it out of our brother's eye. Paul also stated that we should judge ourselves and examine ourselves. This is great because it keeps our hearts and minds on a closer walk with the Lord. I'm so glad that it is written.

I think there are some very fine lines, and we each should seek out the Lord's will in our own lives before we point fingers at others of whom we neither know their thoughts or their hearts, but God does.

We should always speak the truth, and we should always warn a brother or sister if they are heading in a dangerous direction in their faith. But I think that, like the Pharisees that accused Jesus, there is an attitude in a lot of Christianity that is the same.

Check out the Westborro Baptist church....I'm sure you've heard of them. They are not alone...We all can be judgmental at times. But remembering that God has forgiven us and made changes in our lives, who are we to go against another believer who is genuinely seeking a closer walk with the Lord? Not to mention unbelievers who will never be drawn to Jesus by people who do nothing but look down on them.

In the case of the OP, the women came to him to confess some things that she struggles with. If you went to someone to confess your shortcomings, and they pointed their finger, looked down on you or spread what you had told them them, would you ever trust that person again? When we confess our sins to one another, it's not because we're proud of them, but it's because we want to overcome those things and are seeking help from a brother or sister. Our attitude at that point can do good or cause a lot of harm. Our hearts should be on the faith and relationship of the person who confesses to us, as much as it should be on our own.

James 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

That my friend, can be done in love or in malice. Which do you think is more acceptable to the Lord?

My point was simply and clearly as Christians we are to be wise and use discenment. Call it judging if you want, but the passage I quoted had nothing to do with condemnation to hell. Of course when a person is distraught over their sin, unlike Diotrephes, we are to treat them in fulness of grace.

 

[JaumeJ]

Wow and amen...
What a refreshing spiritual breeze, than you so much.

Hey Crossnote,

Actually the topic is very scriptural. There's two principles that I can think of right now that apply to this.

The first involves judging not lest we be judged. I hear ya, about how many take the route of "live and let live,' just love," etc...

However, you don't have to look very far to see how some of the pharisees judged as written in the scriptures. They were always looking for (their own ideas) of what perfection is. Jesus corrected them many times. They also made many accusations about Jesus setting themselves in a position of having attained perfection. And as we know, they were no more perfect than you or I.

The second principle that I can think of right now is:

Jesus said that we should get the log out of our own eye before we try to take it out of our brother's eye. Paul also stated that we should judge ourselves and examine ourselves. This is great because it keeps our hearts and minds on a closer walk with the Lord. I'm so glad that it is written.

I think there are some very fine lines, and we each should seek out the Lord's will in our own lives before we point fingers at others of whom we neither know their thoughts or their hearts, but God does.

We should always speak the truth, and we should always warn a brother or sister if they are heading in a dangerous direction in their faith. But I think that, like the Pharisees that accused Jesus, there is an attitude in a lot of Christianity that is the same.

Check out the Westborro Baptist church....I'm sure you've heard of them. They are not alone...We all can be judgmental at times. But remembering that God has forgiven us and made changes in our lives, who are we to go against another believer who is genuinely seeking a closer walk with the Lord? Not to mention unbelievers who will never be drawn to Jesus by people who do nothing but look down on them.

In the case of the OP, the women came to him to confess some things that she struggles with. If you went to someone to confess your shortcomings, and they pointed their finger, looked down on you or spread what you had told them them, would you ever trust that person again? When we confess our sins to one another, it's not because we're proud of them, but it's because we want to overcome those things and are seeking help from a brother or sister. Our attitude at that point can do good or cause a lot of harm. Our hearts should be on the faith and relationship of the person who confesses to us, as much as it should be on our own.

James 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

That my friend, can be done in love or in malice. Which do you think is more acceptable to the Lord?

 

[JaumeJ]

The following is Scripture.

Mat 10:16
Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.