Alternative View of Daniel 9

[KJV1611]

The following is just a theory and I'm not saying that it is the correct interpretation. This is just another view of "weeks" and the restoration of Jerusalem.

I think the "week" in Daniel 9 is defined by verse 27.

Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Jesus confirms the covenant for one week. Jesus confirms the covenant by fulfilling the 7 feasts. 3 and 1/2 of these feasts have already been fulfilled. The feast of Pentecost is still on going. When these 7 feasts are fulfilled, the transgression will be finished, sins will end, reconciliation for iniquity will be made, everlasting righteousness will be brought in, vision and prophecy will be fulfilled, and the most Holy will be annointed.


1. PASSOVER
2. FEAST OF UNLEAVENED BREAD
3. FEAST OF FIRSTFRUITS
4. FEAST OF PENTECOST
5. FEAST OF TRUMPETS
6. DAY OF ATONEMENT
7. FEAST OF TABERNACLES

The way I see it, one "week" is equal to 7 feasts. The feasts happen once a year, so that means one week is equal to one year. The command for the Jews to take Israel back was given in 1947. 1947 + 62 = 2009, the times of the gentiles are up, the falling away of the church begins. 7 years later... 2016 the Lord returns, Most likely on the feast that no one knows the day or hour that it starts... the feast of trumpets.

Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

 

[nathan3]

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[2Thewaters]

I love the word of God
I am not sure on the feasts yet so I cant give yo an answer
I know in zephania the last chapter it says that after the plagues wipe out all the evil men and a few remnant are left there will be feast days,
but I am sure God will send us through his prophet (for he does nothing except he tells his prophets) what to do
I am no prophet, so I will have to wait on this
anyway thank you for that thought.
feast days I cant respond on yet.

 

[Kerry]

What feast did Adam keep ?

 

[Gjolll]

I go with F.W.Farrar on Daniel 9. It's a theology work explaining the history of Israel from the Babylonian captivity until Judas Maccabees. See

http://www.swartzentrover.com/cotor...ble/Daniel/The Expositor's Bible - Daniel.pdf

Antiochus IV Epiphanese was a type of Rome. Apostate and idol worshiping. What happened in BC170 was destined to repeat itself in AD70, but then there would be no Judas Maccabees to save Israel.

 

[KJV1611]

I have been studying this idea about Daniel for about 5 years now and the more I study the more I am convinced that the 70 weeks are 70 cycles of the 7 feasts.

I think Daniel 9 was given as a time prophecy for those living in the last of the last days because we who are alive at that time will know when he is coming back.

1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

69 weeks after the Jews came back into the land Jesus will return.

 

[Gjolll]

69 weeks after the Jews came back into the land Jesus will return.

Israel is a secular state and not a biblical entity. Get used to it. Besides which, there have always been Semites in Palestine. No-one can be certain of their exact lineage anymore, and to assume that the return of Jesus has anything to do with physical Israel as opposed to spiritual Israel is a bad mistake.

 

[KJV1611]

Here are some interesting things about "time, times and half a time". I believe "times" are the "Appointed Times", which are the 7 feasts of the Lord.

Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

The woman is the Godly woman, represented by Sarah - The mother of those born through the promise. She is the woman that brought for the man child and she is nourished for 3 and 1/2 times or to put it another way for the last 2000 years.

1. PASSOVER
2. FEAST OF UNLEAVENED BREAD
3. FEAST OF FIRSTFRUITS
4. FEAST OF PENTECOST

More interesting things about "time, times and half a time". According to Rev 12:6 time, times and half a time is equal to a thousand two hundred and threescore days. Sarah, the true church has been nourished for the last 2000 years.

Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

According to Rev 11:3 the two witnesses (Old Testament & New Testament... the word of God) will prophesy for the same amount of time the woman is nourished in the wilderness (2000 years).

Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

According to Rev 11:2 42 months is equal to a thousand two hundred and threescore days. Jerusalem will be trodden under foot the same amount of time the 2 witnesses prophesy and the same amount of time the woman is nourished in the wilderness (2000 years). Jerusalem has been trodden under foot by the Gentiles for the last 2000 years.

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

 

[KJV1611]

Israel is a secular state and not a biblical entity. Get used to it. Besides which, there have always been Semites in Palestine. No-one can be certain of their exact lineage anymore, and to assume that the return of Jesus has anything to do with physical Israel as opposed to spiritual Israel is a bad mistake.

Yes Gjolll, Israel has always been a secular state. Why do you think they crucified Jesus. Verse 25 has nothing to do with Israel anyway it has to do with the command to restore and build Jerusalem. God chose the Jews to do it.

Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Spiritual Israel are those that are saved by faith, it has nothing to do with National Israel. But God will or rather did raise up national secular Israel just as He said he would do in Ezekiel. One day very soon he will breathe the breath of life into them... they will be saved by faith in Jesus.

Eze 37:11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.
Eze 37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

 

[reject-tech]

An even more alternative view of Daniel 9 -
Weeks are periods of works and rests, not periods of literal time countings.

verse 25 (the seven weeks) is your innocent childhood, before the world smacks you down.
verse 26 (sixty two weeks) is your whole life before you truly come to Christ, "lost"
verse 27 (the last week) is your whole life after you truly come to Christ. Seeking salvation.
For the first half of your last "week", you will be proven by suffering tribulation, to see if you will still give to the poor while you are poor. If you will help the broken hearted while you are still broken hearted. To see if you will visit the sick while your back is aching to the point of not being able to walk.
Halfway through the "week", once God has proven you to yourself, you might get some relief, because now, if the money flows and the pain goes away, you will not forget your commission and continue to do it properly.
But this isn't for every servant, just "many". Those who dare to get as real as possible.

The servant is the desolate one. That thing which is determined to be poured out, is joy and peace.

Divination of the future is a distraction from following Christ.

 

[KJV1611]

An even more alternative view of Daniel 9 -
Weeks are periods of works and rests, not periods of literal time countings.

verse 25 (the seven weeks) is your innocent childhood, before the world smacks you down.
verse 26 (sixty two weeks) is your whole life before you truly come to Christ, "lost"
verse 27 (the last week) is your whole life after you truly come to Christ. Seeking salvation.
For the first half of your last "week", you will be proven by suffering tribulation, to see if you will still give to the poor while you are poor. If you will help the broken hearted while you are still broken hearted. To see if you will visit the sick while your back is aching to the point of not being able to walk.
Halfway through the "week", once God has proven you to yourself, you might get some relief, because now, if the money flows and the pain goes away, you will not forget your commission and continue to do it properly.
But this isn't for every servant, just "many". Those who dare to get as real as possible.

The servant is the desolate one. That thing which is determined to be poured out, is joy and peace.

Divination of the future is a distraction from following Christ.

That's a neat story, but it's a made up story. You can't make it up as you go... that's how we get false doctrines.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Technically, 4 1/2 appointed times are fulfilled. Pentecost is completely fulfilled just as the other preceding 3 times were. Pentecost is no less fulfilled than Passover is. The day of atonement is partially fulfilled because the high priest, Christ, has entered the holy place twice, but has not yet emerged from the holy place to put sin away forever via the banished goat (scapegoat).

 

[KJV1611]

Technically, 4 1/2 appointed times are fulfilled. Pentecost is completely fulfilled just as the other preceding 3 times were. Pentecost is no less fulfilled than Passover is. The day of atonement is partially fulfilled because the high priest, Christ, has entered the holy place twice, but has not yet emerged from the holy place to put sin away forever via the banished goat (scapegoat).

I understand where you're coming from HeRoseFromTheDead. But wouldn't you agree that the pouring out of the Holy Spirit has been happening for the last 2000 years? In other words Pentecost or the pouring out of the Holy Spirit has not stopped.

 

[reject-tech]

That's a neat story, but it's a made up story. You can't make it up as you go... that's how we get false doctrines.

Where's the false doctrine in that?
Are you constantly concerned with, and physically helping the downtrodden? or consumed with last days?
Are you eating meager meals daily to ease the suffering of someone else?
Or filling up on prophecy that is used for divination instead of used for becoming Christ like?

Serious questions brother. This is a hard core real life experience, not sitting in an airport with a ticket won on a gameshow.

I experience a story that is quite real and now.

 

[KJV1611]

Where's the false doctrine in that?
Are you constantly concerned with, and physically helping the downtrodden? or consumed with last days?
Are you eating meager meals daily to ease the suffering of someone else?
Or filling up on prophecy that is used for divination instead of used for becoming Christ like?

Serious questions brother. This is a hard core real life experience, not sitting in an airport with a ticket won on a gameshow.

I experience a story that is quite real and now.

I'm just running with whatever the Lord shows me in the word. Right now the Lord is showing me things in the book of Daniel... so I'm listening to what he says and sharing with others. I think that's great that you're helping the downtrodden. Keep it up if that's where the Lord is leading you.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I understand where you're coming from HeRoseFromTheDead. But wouldn't you agree that the pouring out of the Holy Spirit has been happening for the last 2000 years? In other words Pentecost or the pouring out of the Holy Spirit has not stopped.

I agree. It's being fulfilled as we speak. But in that sense aren't also Passover, unleavened bread and firstfruits?

 

[KJV1611]

I agree. It's being fulfilled as we speak. But in that sense aren't also Passover, unleavened bread and firstfruits?

Let's look at it and see. I don't have an agenda and I certainly don't want to force scripture to fit my belief. I just want to know the truth, what ever that may be.

Passover - I think this is an easy one. Jesus was sacrificed for us once and for all, so I think that was fulfilled on the cross.

Unleavened Bread - I think this one is a little tougher. There are a lot of ideas of what unleavened bread means, but I believe the fulfillment of this is Jesus living a sinless life and his body not seeing corruption in the tomb. (Maybe you can add to this.)

Firstfruits - This one to me is easy also because of this verse. Christ was the firstfruits.

1Co_15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

I love your questions, this how we as believers can really get a better understanding of scripture.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Let's look at it and see. I don't have an agenda and I certainly don't want to force scripture to fit my belief. I just want to know the truth, what ever that may be.

Passover - I think this is an easy one. Jesus was sacrificed for us once and for all, so I think that was fulfilled on the cross.

Unleavened Bread - I think this one is a little tougher. There are a lot of ideas of what unleavened bread means, but I believe the fulfillment of this is Jesus living a sinless life and his body not seeing corruption in the tomb. (Maybe you can add to this.)

Firstfruits - This one to me is easy also because of this verse. Christ was the firstfruits.

1Co_15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

I love your questions, this how we as believers can really get a better understanding of scripture.

But doesn't every new believer experience Passover just as they experience Pentecost? It's a past event (just like the opening of the spigot of the holy spirit at Pentecost was), yet it is experienced by every new believer. Or perhaps all believers are in the process of experiencing it right now - the entire age is sort of a long night of Passover. I tend to favor the latter view.

Yes the purity aspect is part of unleavened bread. Also affliction. Unleavened bread was to remind the Israelites of their affliction of having to flee Egypt into the wilderness in haste and not having enough time to leaven their bread. Leavened bread represents the comforts of this world; unleavened bread, affliction.

Thou shalt eat no leavened bread with it; seven days shalt thou eat unleavened bread therewith, even the bread of affliction; for thou camest forth out of the land of Egypt in haste: that thou mayest remember the day when thou camest forth out of the land of Egypt all the days of thy life. Deuteronomy 16:3​

So those who eat the unleavened bread of Christ by believing into him suffer affliction. In a world gone astray with wickedness, embracing sincerity and truth causes suffering. That gets back to the purity aspect.

Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 1 Corinthians 5:7-8
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Christ the firstfruits from the dead was 'waved' before GOD at his resurrection. That certainly fulfilled, or began the fulfillment, of that appointed time. Maybe it's still ongoing because each new believer is a kind of firstfruits too.

By his will he gave birth to us through the message of truth, so that we should be a kind of first fruits of his creatures. James 1:18​

 

[Gjolll]

Yes Gjolll, Israel has always been a secular state.

I can't accept this. In the time of Christ, the Jews were under the Law of Moses and had a temple in which they performed the sacrifices demanded by the law. Their laws were practiced to the extent that the Romans allowed them.

However now they have no temple. They could have rebuilt it, but they have not done so. They elect not to practice the full law as it stands. What they practice is instead derived from the halakha and the Talmud which is what they practiced when they were in exile. Arguably the Jews are still in exile, as they are still deprived of their temple. I can't see that just became many Jews have migrated to Palestine makes any difference to anyone. Israel is a multi-ethnic society with many Arabs.

 

[john832]

What feast did Adam keep ?

Uh, how'd that work out for him?