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Cobus

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Am I Saved?​
I recently read on the forum, that one person asked, how can he be sure he is saved. The Bible has the answer, so let us see what the Bible teaches.
The first verse we should take into consideration is: For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things. This verse tells me, even after my heart stopped condemning me, God will still work on me, to make me free! Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. After our hearts condemn us not, we have confidence toward God.

Just by these two verses, the answer is very clear. I guess I should live a life where my heart would not condemn me. And when will (should) my heart condemn me. Again the answer is in the Bible. Did God not say that the Spirit of Truth will… And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:… (John 16:8) God is the ONE that is greater than my heart, even if my heart stopped condemning me; the Holy Spirit still has some things to reprove me of. That is how thorough God works. Even if we are no longer sinning, the Holy Spirit still has to do some things with us before we are complete. But that is another subject.

What does God save us from? It is easy to understand that a child that is drowning in water should be lifted out of the water to be saved. So it is also easy to assume that once the life-saver touch that child in the water, it is very likely that the child is already out of danger. But that is not the case. Some life-savers drowned while saving other people. And many life-savers lost people on their way out of the water. But ALL the people that life-savers saved were safely brought back to DRY GROUND! Our assurance of being saved from drowning is when we stand on dry ground.

What is our assurance about salvation IN GOD? You see this is the easiest of question to answer. We have to know what God saves us from. He saves us from sin. Not only the PENALTY of sin: DEATH, he also saves us from SIN! Like the child in the water, the child is saved from water to dry land. We are saved from sin in this world, to NO SIN - IN GOD: WHILE WE ARE STILL IN THIS WORLD! God is very serious about this salvation. So serious that He gave us this verse to consider about our salvation IN HIM. 1 John 3:8.. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. The next few words in this verse show us how to be NOT of the devil… For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. AH! Jesus is the answer to sin. If Jesus can destroy the works of the devil in my life then I will no longer be “of the devil”. Now what is the works of the devil? SIN! Is there a place here on earth where sin is not committeth? Here is the answer….And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. (1 John3:5)

So let me finish this…. If salvation is IN THE LORD, and IN HIM IS NO SIN, then all saved people IN HIM committeth NO SIN! There is NO SIN TO COMMIT IN HIM! God is IN THIS WORLD, but this world is NOT IN GOD! Only the saved in this world is IN GOD!

May the Lord save us, and be sure that HE LOVES TOO! Let us put our faith in HIM to save us from ALL EVIL! Because…..The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, (2 Peter 2:9) Thank You Lord that You know how to deliver us out of temptations. Remember Jesus taught us to pray….. Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil….. Next time you and I pray this, BELIEVE HE CAN AND HE WILL!

Thank you for reading this, and I pray the Lord’s will be done in us, as His will is done in heaven…. Perfectly!
I typed this because I love you and this I say from my heart, how pure or dark it is makes no difference, I Love You Jesus, with all I got, sorry I am not IN YOU YET! I know my salvation is in YOUR hands, AMEN!
Cobus.
 
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So since you've become a Christian you haven't sinned once? Interesting post but if that's your angle I'm not buying it as biblically sound.
 
shawntc

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Homie, if you're saying a Christian never, ever sins, then nobody is a Christian and nobody is saved, because EVERYONE sins. Usually daily. You're essentially putting salvation in the hands of humans, which is what Jesus died to make sure wasn't the case.

I will say this: a Christian still sins, but it's not intentional sinning. We accept salvation and demonstrate faith by repenting, which means to change our minds regarding God and sin. It means we make the decision to no longer desire sinning and instead desire righteousness. The natural result of this is to not want to intentionally sin. Granted you're not perfect overnight but you improve with time. Even when you slip up, it doesn't mean you've not repented. It just means you've slipped up and proven yourself human and in need of a Savior - which Jesus provides.
 
tribesman

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shawntc said:
Homie, if you're saying a Christian never, ever sins, then nobody is a Christian and nobody is saved, because EVERYONE sins. Usually daily. You're essentially putting salvation in the hands of humans, which is what Jesus died to make sure wasn't the case.

I will say this: a Christian still sins, but it's not intentional sinning. We accept salvation and demonstrate faith by repenting, which means to change our minds regarding God and sin. It means we make the decision to no longer desire sinning and instead desire righteousness. The natural result of this is to not want to intentionally sin. Granted you're not perfect overnight but you improve with time. Even when you slip up, it doesn't mean you've not repented. It just means you've slipped up and proven yourself human and in need of a Savior - which Jesus provides.
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To get to this biblical conclusion one must be taught and understand the law of God correctly. It will never work with a shallow, external or moralistic view of the law. The law must be taught in all its sharpness and fulness so that the flesh, the self, really will be killed and the gospel of peace break through. Then (and only then) an accurate and non-hypocrital understanding of what repentance and holy living means will begin to grow in the believer. The right groundwork is needed to that end.
 
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Tintin said:
So since you've become a Christian you haven't sinned once? Interesting post but if that's your angle I'm not buying it as biblically sound.
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Cobus doesn't claim to be a Christian. I believe he goes as far to say that he is not saved, until God removes all sin from his life. Thus I ask the same question peter did, "Then who can be saved?"...

Cobus, in all sincerity, Why is it taking so long for God to remove all sin in your life?
 
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Hmm... I didn't notice that one. Seems you're right about Cobus. Just checked his profile.

Cobus, context is key. Don't just read one verse, read the surrounding chapter. Look at the historical context of the piece. Your understanding of the Christian faith is heavily flawed. It doesn't teach grace but works and is entirely unattainable. How you must live in fear!
 
Bookends

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Tintin said:
Hmm... I didn't notice that one. Seems you're right about Cobus. Just checked his profile.

Cobus, context is key. Don't just read one verse, read the surrounding chapter. Look at the historical context of the piece. Your understanding of the Christian faith is heavily flawed. It doesn't teach grace but works and is entirely unattainable. How you must live in fear!
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Not only him in fear, but it's my speculation the burden he puts on his family must be enormous... I can't get through to him, maybe Abiding can...Someone needs to give the whole bible, just not his proof texts written by John.

One thing is certain, He needs our prayer!
 
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Cobus doesn't have the whole Bible? BibleGateway.com has many different translations. Naturally a physical Bible would be more convenient in some ways but until then, it's a great resource.
 
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Cobus doesn't have the whole Bible? BibleGateway.com has many different translations. Naturally a physical Bible would be more convenient in some ways but until then, it's a great resource.
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I was being sarcastic. ;)
 
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Haha! Sorry about that. My brain normally picks up sarcasm, even the Internet variety.
 
Geometar

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Very funny posts.People,some of you have no idea about Christianity and teaching of Early Church...
 
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Geometar, are you referring to me?
 
tribesman

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The problem is that there are people who seriously think its humble and pious (or even, somehow, a sign of salvation) to doubt their salvation. Then there are those who outright deny that there is such a thing as assurance of salvation ever to be had on this earth. In reality both of these and their various variants is in reality about false humility and therefore pride. Because in reality it is in the same table as not submitting to the righteousness of God in unbelief but instead going about to establish one's own righteousness. They want to work for it, they want to contribute to it, they want their many efforts to pay off so they can earn it, otherwise they imagine it is "cheap". It all comes from pure ignorance about the righteousness of God, which is revealed in the gospel, and the lack of experience of a true encounter with God (yes, I have to use the language of the enthusiasts so that they may hear it). These people are (mostly at least) not yet regenerate. Were they regenerate then they would have been convicted, convinced and reproved by the Holy Spirit about sin, righteousness and judgment, then they would know that is the work and person of Christ alone who makes the difference between salvation and damnation, not the work of the sinner, and that that work of Christ is finished, not something one can undo or redo at own will.
 
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Geometar, no, I didn't. I was just curious because I said very little in this thread.

This is what I was saying to Corbus, not that salvation is by works:
Corbus, your understanding of the Christian faith is heavily flawed. It (your Christianity) doesn't teach grace but works and is entirely unattainable. How you must live in fear!
 
homwardbound

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Cobus said:
Am I Saved?​
I recently read on the forum, that one person asked, how can he be sure he is saved. The Bible has the answer, so let us see what the Bible teaches.
The first verse we should take into consideration is: For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things. This verse tells me, even after my heart stopped condemning me, God will still work on me, to make me free! Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. After our hearts condemn us not, we have confidence toward God.

Just by these two verses, the answer is very clear. I guess I should live a life where my heart would not condemn me. And when will (should) my heart condemn me. Again the answer is in the Bible. Did God not say that the Spirit of Truth will… And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:… (John 16:8) God is the ONE that is greater than my heart, even if my heart stopped condemning me; the Holy Spirit still has some things to reprove me of. That is how thorough God works. Even if we are no longer sinning, the Holy Spirit still has to do some things with us before we are complete. But that is another subject.

What does God save us from? It is easy to understand that a child that is drowning in water should be lifted out of the water to be saved. So it is also easy to assume that once the life-saver touch that child in the water, it is very likely that the child is already out of danger. But that is not the case. Some life-savers drowned while saving other people. And many life-savers lost people on their way out of the water. But ALL the people that life-savers saved were safely brought back to DRY GROUND! Our assurance of being saved from drowning is when we stand on dry ground.

What is our assurance about salvation IN GOD? You see this is the easiest of question to answer. We have to know what God saves us from. He saves us from sin. Not only the PENALTY of sin: DEATH, he also saves us from SIN! Like the child in the water, the child is saved from water to dry land. We are saved from sin in this world, to NO SIN - IN GOD: WHILE WE ARE STILL IN THIS WORLD! God is very serious about this salvation. So serious that He gave us this verse to consider about our salvation IN HIM. 1 John 3:8.. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. The next few words in this verse show us how to be NOT of the devil… For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. AH! Jesus is the answer to sin. If Jesus can destroy the works of the devil in my life then I will no longer be “of the devil”. Now what is the works of the devil? SIN! Is there a place here on earth where sin is not committeth? Here is the answer….And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. (1 John3:5)

So let me finish this…. If salvation is IN THE LORD, and IN HIM IS NO SIN, then all saved people IN HIM committeth NO SIN! There is NO SIN TO COMMIT IN HIM! God is IN THIS WORLD, but this world is NOT IN GOD! Only the saved in this world is IN GOD!

May the Lord save us, and be sure that HE LOVES TOO! Let us put our faith in HIM to save us from ALL EVIL! Because…..The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, (2 Peter 2:9) Thank You Lord that You know how to deliver us out of temptations. Remember Jesus taught us to pray….. Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil….. Next time you and I pray this, BELIEVE HE CAN AND HE WILL!

Thank you for reading this, and I pray the Lord’s will be done in us, as His will is done in heaven…. Perfectly!
I typed this because I love you and this I say from my heart, how pure or dark it is makes no difference, I Love You Jesus, with all I got, sorry I am not IN YOU YET! I know my salvation is in YOUR hands, AMEN!
Cobus.
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Cobus, Amen back brother, Flor God has shown just stay in him in thought of him. flesh is dead, dead,dead,because you are alive, alive, alive, and the world does not understand it for theirfocus is on effort to do, and Christ overcame the world
Thank you Father for Cobus
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I wouldn't be too quick to agree with a non-Christian.
 
homwardbound

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Tintin said:
So since you've become a Christian you haven't sinned once? Interesting post but if that's your angle I'm not buying it as biblically sound.
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I quarantee you that is not what Cobus said, he said God carries on thework that God began in him, to God's satisfaction of showing him all anyone ever has to do is quit working to get or keep salvation, it is all by the operation of God manifesting in you the believer the righteousness of God but it is not you the believer doing it, it is God now liviing through you, and when in the Spirit of God while in there there is no more sin, so seek to stay in the Spirit of God and you won't sin
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Corbus admits he's not a Christian because he believes Christians cannot sin. You only have to have cursory look at many of Corbus' posts to realise this. Some of what he says is God's truth but it's a very small piece of the picture and not the complete Good News message at all!
 
Geometar

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Tintin said:
Geometar, no, I didn't. I was just curious because I said very little in this thread.

This is what I was saying to Corbus, not that salvation is by works:
Corbus, your understanding of the Christian faith is heavily flawed. It (your Christianity) doesn't teach grace but works and is entirely unattainable. How you must live in fear!
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Salavation comes with work and deeds and faith.Faith without deeds is dead,deeds without faith are also dead.Faith and works is what brings salvation.
 
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