An Introduction to the Doctrines of Grace: Limited Atonement

[SovereignGrace]

I'm not disagreeing with you,I'm asking you,Is It just/fair to send ALL those who did not sin the way adam sinned,to hell?

God is good even when we're not. Shall not the God of the earth do right? Yes. He's good even if He consigned all to hell. He's good even if He consigned all to heaven. Yes He is just/fair to send ppl to hell who did not sin after the similitude of Adam. Remember, it was Adam that caused us to be born sinners. We aren't born good, or even neutral, but dead in sins and transgressions. Ppl don't sin and then become sinners, but sin because they are sinners. My pastor, who is NOT a Calvinist holds to this belief, too.

GOD Is just.

Amen.

You might say,JESUS died only for those whom HE would draw and those are the ones HE would not lose,but what about the question I ask,Is that just?

I didn't say it, the bible does. Yes He's just to do that. None deserved heaven and He came to save a MULTITUDE of hell-deserving sinners from their sins

He shall save His ppl from their sins.[Matthew 1:21]

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Because of Adam sin entered the world.
God is good even if he did not send Jesus. God's goodness is not dependent on us . He is Just in condemning all .He is merciful in sending Jesus . We are all deserving of hell . God's mercy and goodness don't take away from His being Just . Those attributes stand equally among others .we should never lift one above the other .
Blessings
Bill

If we are deserving of going to hell,why does the bible say,sin Is not Imputed where there Is no law?

 

[notuptome]

Roger,

I misunderstood you and apologized to you. And you in turn insult me again? Ignore for you, too.

You guys are unbelieveable.

You apologize for one attack and go right into another this time talking to a third party about another party. I'm not looking for any apology but for some sign that you are growing in the admonition and nurture of the Lord.

What are we to think?

Pr 30:14 There is a generation, whose teeth are as swords, and their jaw teeth as knives, to devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from among men.

Or..

Col 4:6 Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.

How do I help your kind?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Magenta]

If we are deserving of going to hell,why does the bible say,sin Is not Imputed where there Is no law?

Law or no law, people are in need of being born again of the Spirit of God.
If not, they are of the flesh, which will perish, for it counts for nothing.

 

[SovereignGrace]

If we are deserving of going to hell,why does the bible say,sin Is not Imputed where there Is no law?

But where is there no law? Its written on the hearts of everyone.

Those in remote areas who never heard the word know its wrong to steal, take their neighbor's spouse, &c. Why? The law is inscribed upon their hearts.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Law or no law, people are in need of being born again of the Spirit of God.
If not, they are of the flesh, which will perish, for it counts for nothing.

True but the question remains though.post#233 and 236.

 

[SovereignGrace]

True but the question remains though.post#233 and 236.

And those were already answered by Brother Laish & I.

All God had to do was withhold Jesus from coming and all of us would have went ot hell. He would have still been good and just.

So, His goodness does not depend on what we do. He is good.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

And those were already answered by Brother Laish & I.

All God had to do was withhold Jesus from coming and all of us would have went ot hell. He would have still been good and just.

So, His goodness does not depend on what we do. He is good.

Not directly so there Is no question,maybe you answered Indirectly and I missed It.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Not directly so there Is no question,maybe you answered Indirectly and I missed It.

You asked was God fair/just and we said yes.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

But where is there no law? Its written on the hearts of everyone.

Those in remote areas who never heard the word know its wrong to steal, take their neighbor's spouse, &c. Why? The law is inscribed upon their hearts.

paul said he was once alive without the law,how can that be true If he was always under law.

Answer=until a person reaches the age of accountability,they are not under law.
Why did Paul write that If a person Is guilty even before the age of accountability.

I digress,I'm way off the OP.My apologies.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

You asked was God fair/just and we said yes.

Yes you said yes and your comments are saying no.

 

[Johnny_B]

paul said he was once alive without the law,how can that be true If he was always under law.

Answer=until a person reaches the age of accountability,they are not under law.
Why did Paul write that If a person Is guilty even before the age of accountability.

I digress,I'm way off the OP.My apologies.

I'll bite, what Scriptures say this?

 

[seed_time_harvest]

I'll bite, what Scriptures say this?

Romans 7:7-10
King James Version(KJV)

7.)What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

8.)But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

9.)For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

10.)And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
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[Johnny_B]

Romans 7:7-10
King James Version(KJV)

7.)What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

8.)But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

9.)For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

10.)And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
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No, where it says the age of accountability.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

BTW Johnny_B
Its not right to hijack this thread,It would be rude on my part to continue responding off topic.

 

[Johnny_B]

BTW Johnny_B
Its not right to hijack this thread,It would be rude on my part to continue responding off topic.

It's my thread and you already did by bringing it up, so go ahead and post the Scriptures for age of accountability.

 

[graceNpeace]

Romans 7:7-10
King James Version(KJV)

7.)What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

8.)But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

9.)For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

10.)And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
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vs 9 completely destroys your argument:
Paul is saying that he was once alive - without the law!
Then - when the commandment (law) came, sin revived, and I died....

 

[seed_time_harvest]

vs 9 completely destroys your argument:
Paul is saying that he was once alive - without the law!
Then - when the commandment (law) came, sin revived, and I died....

Expound please so that everyone can understand better.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

vs 9 completely destroys your argument:
Paul is saying that he was once alive - without the law!
Then - when the commandment (law) came, sin revived, and I died....

He said when the commandment came,he died and sin revived.Was the commandment he was talking about,under law or grace?

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Isn't a person already under law If they are not under grace?