Answer for "a place that Gd did not create"

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I used the internet in the late '70's. It was a friend of mine whose father was some academic sort. Think he was a big wig at...The Museum of National History? Is that a museum? Think that's where he worked... They had a computer in their home. We researched and explored on it, under his supervision. After that, I don't recall using it again until...early...90's. His 23 years is pretty accurate...he might not be remembering with complete accuracy the exact year he was involved in this "study" but he is probably pretty close.
 
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And it was originally used by academia and large groups. And you know how academia loves studies! :)
 

Angela53510

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I used the internet in the late '70's. It was a friend of mine whose father was some academic sort. Think he was a big wig at...The Museum of National History? Is that a museum? Think that's where he worked... They had a computer in their home. We researched and explored on it, under his supervision. After that, I don't recall using it again until...early...90's. His 23 years is pretty accurate...he might not be remembering with complete accuracy the exact year he was involved in this "study" but he is probably pretty close.

I am not saying there was no internet long, long ago, or even chat rooms. I remember all you could do was type a response back and forth, and that was the late 1990's.

What I am saying, is that there was no CC, and probably no Christian Forums. The internet was the property of academics and intellectuals for sure. It was incredibly difficult to learn the programming. I actually was on the internet in 1980 at my University. We had to type a long program, and then we had a character limit (an early twitter?) and basically it was more trouble than it was work. Or maybe that was an intranet?

Point being, the OP was not posting in Christian Forums 23 years ago. I hope he was just using a hyperbole!
 

WineRose

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Beyond, I hope it's interesting. To begin, there are 4 pages of posts, and I didn't check them all. Sorry about that.
Oh, beware, I have been called a heretic for what you are about to read...

Let's start with this "God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all." (1 John 1:5)In Bible times, light was pretty harmless. Moses would not believe that light could cut metal. Today, we understand that light is a serious matter.

1 tim 6:16, Here we have the key. “Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach .... Amen.”

In medieval times they couldn't understand this simple verse. Now we do.

Since science has moved on we know more about light. For instance, lasers are used in most classes in school. Many students have seen how a laser can be passed through a crystal. The crystal isn't destroyed unless it is flawed with a dark spot...

Laser Types and Classification | Environmental Health and Safety | Oregon State University

God uses the natural world, to illuminate the supernatural world. Let's shed a little light. God seems to be a light on the order of a really powerful laser.. I'll allow you to examine the topic on your own time.

Now, where do we see a man that is able to be in God's presence and not be hurt? Adam is the answer. The sin thing comes around that time.

What do we know from Adam? Before he had sin, he was able to be with God. After sin, it's over. God doesn't enter the AO of Adam. So, logically we can make a leap...in is what man does not want to have. Not when God is around. Especially if you have no body to stop God's light.

Where can we go that God s not there? Well, scripture says that God is iin Hell. Psalm 139:8. Once we are dead, there's no where to hide.

As no one could find the answer, I'll post it here.
Millions, maybe billions, of people are atheists. Talk to them. They will tell you that God is evil because God created Hell. Now here is where the shadow of Picasso becomes relevant. bear with me.

Charles Templeton was Billy Graham's evangelistic partner. Many believed he was a BETTER minister than Billy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Templeton
You can verify the facts if you care.

Templeton turned his back on Christianity. He became a leader in the athiest/ non-believer community. He represents them pretty well.

He said that he couldn't believe in a god that would create Hell.

Well, if Picasso "created" his shadow, then God can be held culpable for said shadow. Can God be held responsible for Hell, and there in lies the argument.

Genesis 1:1 says, "God saw all that he had made, and it was very good." Does the Bible lie?

If you believe in a good God, and all He made is good, then go out and tell an atheist. Admittedly, many people dont have the IQ to understand higher concepts, but most atheists are pretty smart.
 

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I am not saying there was no internet long, long ago, or even chat rooms. I remember all you could do was type a response back and forth, and that was the late 1990's.
I got my first computer in early 2000, and there were message boards then, but I did not really use my computer for that, though the internet was of course the big draw with all its offerings... by 2007, oh my goodness that is ten years ago now, I was a young Christian and started doing apologetics, speaking to non-believers of various stripes, wow, what an initiation! On a site that was secular with very little moderation, profanity was par for the course from them. There seemed to be no length they would not go to try to get Christians to leave. Maybe it was the internet that God did not create? Hahahahahahaha. :D:):D
 

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I participated in a file sharing service on an HP5000 in 1971-73. We shared experiment data and analysis results. We also had an email system.
 
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I am not saying there was no internet long, long ago, or even chat rooms. I remember all you could do was type a response back and forth, and that was the late 1990's.

What I am saying, is that there was no CC, and probably no Christian Forums. The internet was the property of academics and intellectuals for sure. It was incredibly difficult to learn the programming. I actually was on the internet in 1980 at my University. We had to type a long program, and then we had a character limit (an early twitter?) and basically it was more trouble than it was work. Or maybe that was an intranet?

Point being, the OP was not posting in Christian Forums 23 years ago. I hope he was just using a hyperbole!
Average people, who could afford a computer, began using the internet in earnest....'93, '94. It's true that windows '95 made things easier, but I just don't understand why anyone would suspect this guys story because of, at most, a one or two year discrepancy? A study could very well have been done on the internet in '93 or '94, but even if it was '95, I don't see where the suspicion comes in...and there were personal computers sold and chat rooms being used in the late 80's. It's feasible that a study could have been done on the internet in the late 80's in chatrooms...but never mind, sheesh!
 
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I got my first computer in early 2000, and there were message boards then, but I did not really use my computer for that, though the internet was of course the big draw with all its offerings... by 2007, oh my goodness that is ten years ago now, I was a young Christian and started doing apologetics, speaking to non-believers of various stripes, wow, what an initiation! On a site that was secular with very little moderation, profanity was par for the course from them. There seemed to be no length they would not go to try to get Christians to leave. Maybe it was the internet that God did not create? Hahahahahahaha. :D:):D
Of course He didn't. Al Gore did. :D
 

Angela53510

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Average people, who could afford a computer, began using the internet in earnest....'93, '94. It's true that windows '95 made things easier, but I just don't understand why anyone would suspect this guys story because of, at most, a one or two year discrepancy? A study could very well have been done on the internet in '93 or '94, but even if it was '95, I don't see where the suspicion comes in...and there were personal computers sold and chat rooms being used in the late 80's. It's feasible that a study could have been done on the internet in the late 80's in chatrooms...but never mind, sheesh!

I remember buying a PC - a 286. My husband slapped a menu on it, and there we went. Well, not for a while, although it did have some good games on it!

We paid over $2000 for that computer, one of the biggest purchases we ever made, besides our house. But, I still don't see chat rooms, with people fighting and posting opinions till the early 2000's. Of course, we are pretty primitive in Canada. And electricity was so hard to run to igloos, let alone internet! LOL
 

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I say why worry about what is not upon you. Making people believe God is in hell is pretty heretical if you ask me. It's also pretty pointless to talk about it because all one can do is speculate. Hell is a place of destruction, that is satan's duty to destroy.

Get off of that horse asap.
 

presidente

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I remember buying a PC - a 286. My husband slapped a menu on it, and there we went. Well, not for a while, although it did have some good games on it!

We paid over $2000 for that computer, one of the biggest purchases we ever made, besides our house. But, I still don't see chat rooms, with people fighting and posting opinions till the early 2000's. Of course, we are pretty primitive in Canada. And electricity was so hard to run to igloos, let alone internet! LOL
Maybe 30 or 31 years ago, I had an Atari 130XE computer, which was an Atari 800 with a little more memory. I got a 300 baud modem. So in the mid to late 1990's, I would go on BBS's, dedicated computers that individuals would set up in their homes. You called in and you could join discussions and upload and download files. There was a network called FIDONet that had a network of BBSs around the country. I participated in some Bible discussions in 1988 or 1989, surely by 1989 on FIDONet.

You could participate in forums and discuss issues much like the discussions we are having now without the graphics. Most people had 1200 baud or 2400 baud modems in the late 1990s. I could almost read the text as fast as the 300 baud modem would spit it out on the screen.

Then, I was on Usenet groups in the early 1990's. There were usenet forums and listservers, I think they called them. That's where you received forum posts by email and responded by email. There were some online forums in the late 1990's, and listservers died down after web forums became a thing. I co-moderated a list and the guy who handled the tech side of things wanted to shift it all over to the web. It never really happened. For the most part, the list just died out and most people did not move to the web.

I tried the web back in the Netscape days in the early 1990's, but I don't remember if there were Bible discussion forums. There were some forums on the world wide web in the late 1990's, but it seemed to start to pick up steam some time after 2000.