Anti-Christ as a nation?

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Many may think that the antichrist isnt an actual person, like as if it represents a nation of heathens followed in one spirit of confusion and delusion and evil, known as the beast, trying to deceive the world by their words etc. What do you think about this? Antichrist, as in one person symbolic for a group or nation of people that will influence the world?
 
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Like what if we are wrong again about the prophesies....like how the jews thought Jesus would come the way they thought He would come didnt happen, so how do we know that it isnt the same here where we think its one person when really one person represents a nation or certain people growing bigger?
 
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Spokenpassage said:
Many may think that the antichrist isnt an actual person, like as if it represents a nation of heathens followed in one spirit of confusion and delusion and evil, known as the beast, trying to deceive the world by their words etc. What do you think about this? Antichrist, as in one person symbolic for a group or nation of people that will influence the world?
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This, like Bible Codes, may be another hidden message. But, In 2 Thess. Chap. 2 Paul tells us this antichrist will be made known before Christ returns. And as it is prophesied, knowledge will increase. So, what we don't know now we will know, when the time is right.
 
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Spokenpassage said:
Many may think that the antichrist isnt an actual person, like as if it represents a nation of heathens followed in one spirit of confusion and delusion and evil, known as the beast, trying to deceive the world by their words etc. What do you think about this? Antichrist, as in one person symbolic for a group or nation of people that will influence the world?
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No, Antichrist is a individual . He is thee deceiver , he is the dragon, he is Satan ( Rev 12:9 )
He will claim to be God/Christ (2 Thess 2: ) . He will perform supernatural miracles ( Rev 13: 13-14 kjv )
Christ words also in ( Mark 13:22 ) . Just to clarify , First beast is a world political system, It is over the 7 heads of dominions. You can think of it as the 7 continents . The 2nd Beat later in the chapter is a religious entity ,individual , the Antichrist. He will make the first beast work, that had a wound , but he healed it. And the death, that is happening you read all over Revelation is not a physical one, its talking, the soul, because, once your give up the real Christ in a instant for a fake one, then your soul is on the line.. Paul said in 2nd thess chapter 2, that Antichrist would cause a great falling away. The word away in the Greek is Apostasy. that means falling away from one's professed faith, in an instant. That what those miracles will do to Christians that don't listen to Christ Word's. And instead some man or dream a sick women had in 1830.
We can talk about these things in the Bible in detail is you like.
 
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Spokenpassage said:
Many may think that the antichrist isnt an actual person, like as if it represents a nation of heathens followed in one spirit of confusion and delusion and evil, known as the beast, trying to deceive the world by their words etc. What do you think about this? Antichrist, as in one person symbolic for a group or nation of people that will influence the world?
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In Revelation Ten kings receive power one hour with the beast these have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast and make war with the lamb.

So it’s more than one nation that turns against God.

Also in Daniel, out of ten kings in the Ancient of days comes another king that will make war with the saints

And before the lord come we shall see a man of sin the son of perdition, who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped and shewing himself that he is God.

So there is a man an actual person in the end a antichrist, that sticks out above everybody else shewing himself that he is God.

Then after that the lord comes and we meet him in the air

2 Thessalonians 2:3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Dan7:20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

21I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
22Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.


Rv17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
 
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Appears to be an individual...
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. (Rev 19:20)

The Reformers tended to view it as the papacy but because of the above verse and others I don't think so.
 
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Appears to be an individual...
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. (Rev 19:20)

The Reformers tended to view it as the papacy but because of the above verse and others I don't think so.
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The sidenotes in the Geneva Bible (particularly in Revelation) are historically significant and very understandable given the circumstances.

At the same time though, one cannot help but get a kick out of them in both their length and fury. I laughed anyway...
 
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Why would I be so selfish as to deny you all the chance to see for yourselves?

1583 Geneva Bible

Bibles-Online is my new favorite toy.
 
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love the interactive page turning
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That feature is great, and so many Bibles!

Check out the cover of the Great Bible with a large Henry VIII next to a small Jesus.

It is a small wonder the British have developed the sense of humor they have today.
 
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That feature is great, and so many Bibles!

Check out the cover of the Great Bible with a large Henry VIII next to a small Jesus.

It is a small wonder the British have developed the sense of humor they have today.
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will do,
you might like this sight if you haven't yet seen it.
The Bible Hunter
 
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Really cool! I'll have to take a more in-depth look at it later.

Today I learned about the fun "Wicked Bible."

In his zeal to pump out a lot of early KJV's one publisher overlooked the fact that his Exodus 20:14 said "Thou shalt commit adultery."
 
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The sidenotes in the Geneva Bible (particularly in Revelation) are historically significant and very understandable given the circumstances.

At the same time though, one cannot help but get a kick out of them in both their length and fury. I laughed anyway...
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Ritter said:
Why would I be so selfish as to deny you all the chance to see for yourselves?

1583 Geneva Bible

Bibles-Online is my new favorite toy.
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well, I was gonna say....!

thanks, Ritter, and thank the site for that 'double ckick to enlarge' feature.
without which these old eyes would be lost! :rolleyes:
 
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Ah look at this. Letter from the translators OF The King James Bible 1611. :D :D :D

1611 First Edition King James Bible

I wish I knew how to make this entire book into a PDF file with a index and all.
 
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The antichrist will be a man of lawlessness, not a nation, who will be revealed after the rapture of the body of Christ (church). The Holy Spirit (restraining force against the evil of the antichrist) is the one holding him back but when the He is taken out of the way through the removal of the body of Christ, then will he be revealed.
 
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The antichrist will be a man of lawlessness, not a nation, who will be revealed after the rapture of the body of Christ (church). The Holy Spirit (restraining force against the evil of the antichrist) is the one holding him back but when the He is taken out of the way through the removal of the body of Christ, then will he be revealed.
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That not right.

You can’t remove the hole spirit

Who will do the Comforting

Who will guide them into all truth

Who will show them things to come

Who will give the power to the witnesses

And who will teach them all things and bring all things to their remembrance

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.


Is that all you have (until he be taken out of the way.) It that all you have for a pre-trib coming

It’s not much to stand on,

its not much to base one of the most important events in history on.

More than 31,000 verses in the bible, 1000s of verses of prophesy, and all you have is (until he be taken out of the way.)



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peterT said:
That not right.

You can’t remove the hole spirit

Who will do the Comforting

Who will guide them into all truth

Who will show them things to come

Who will give the power to the witnesses

And who will teach them all things and bring all things to their remembrance

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
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Here we go again.:rolleyes:

Mr. PeterT, those verses you quoted pertain to the dispensation of grace, which will end with the rapture of believers. Yes the Holy Spirit is omnipresent and presently actively comforting believers, directing us into all truth, indwelling believers, restraining sin but when the church is raptured His restraining ministry will cease on earth then the antichrist will take over. We can see in the OT that the Spirit of God was the restraining force against evil (Gen 6:3) and in the church age protecting the church from the power of Satan.
One of the works of the Holy Spirit is restraining evil in man, inspiring man with the scriptures which is a way of restraining evil.
Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

How will the two witnesses preach and how will people be saved during the Great Tribulation? Those left behind will have a second chance to repent once they see that the rapture has taken place. Those who repent will be the tribulation saints. They will come to the truth through the two witnesses however one's chance of coming to salvation will be very difficult during that time because of the compelling power of the antichrist.

Okay, I'd like to know your perspective, Sir. What is holding back the antichrist until a later time and how will it be taken out of the way as per 2Thess 2:5-8?
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:


Is that all you have (until he be taken out of the way.) It that all you have for a pre-trib coming

It’s not much to stand on,

its not much to base one of the most important events in history on.

More than 31,000 verses in the bible, 1000s of verses of prophesy, and all you have is (until he be taken out of the way.)



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By the way, Sir, there are a lot more biblical references that prove the pre-tribulation rapture; it is not foolish as you make it seem. You just need to open your bible to study the purpose of the Great Tribulation and understand the Lord's dealing with His bride who has been purchased by His precious blood, sanctified and made holy for His coming, promised to not face Jacob's trouble, any judgment, or condemnation.
 
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starfield said:
The Holy Spirit (restraining force against the evil of the antichrist) is the one holding him back but when the He is taken out of the way through the removal of the body of Christ, then will he be revealed. [/COLOR][/FONT]
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starfield....no.
no rapture.
no removal of the church. okay?
the restrainer is not the Holy Spirit.
 
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