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JeniBean

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Why not approach her (don't coward as she has with a letter) and say I am sorry for the misunderstanding. I think you are not understanding the context. Take your bible out and have a discussion with her. Then offer to have a bible study at your church in regards to this very subject. to many feel submitting has more to do with a personal aspect of a marriage and not the all around marriage before GOD and with GOD as the head of the marriage.
 
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PoetMary said:
Not exactly. You have lots and lots of posts about submission, yet you are not married. It's actually NOT an issue for you right now in your life.

So, why not post about all the other things you're studying regarding being a woman of God?

I'm an unmarried woman and I rarely think about "submission to a husband" because I have no husband. However, there are a TON of spiritual issues that I'm constantly considering.


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Lol you are doing a lot of assuming
 
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Absolutely. I just posted a few verses...nothing taken out of context. As far as beating this horse...first time I believe I have read or posted anything on this matter. God bless.
 
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MollyConnor

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No way! Don't apologize for what you believe in, especially because it's in the Bible. She's probably just a confused feminist. Pray for her, be nice to her, and don't mention it again if you know it bothers her.
God bless you, sister. :)
 
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I remember reading once that submit actually means to be "tenderly devoted to." So it isn't something negative, because husbands are, as wattie pointed out, to "love their wives as Christ loved the church" in comparison. Both are devoted to one another, in love.

A lot is read into the idea of submission and the emphasis is on dominance. God created man and said it wasn't good for him to be alone and made a woman. So, as scripture says, women came from man (the rib). The man is dependent on the woman because she is essential to him. That itself should be an empowering realization for women. What a responsibility that God gave women, that it isn't good for man to be alone.

I think in all of this, the topic of submission, love has to be considered. A loving husband will only treat his wife with love. The idea of submission isn't even an issue in a loving equally yoked relationship because there is unity. The man's dominance, if you will, is only for the purpose of the health of the family and relationship. It is all out of love, not oppression.
 
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jsr1221 said:
This submission subject has been touched on so often already.
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The subject was a supposed friend raking her over the coals because of her beliefs and if she should apologize....not necessarily the submisson subject....
 
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Mary96 said:
I have someone in my friend circle who decided to write me a letter about how I was anti-women because I made a comment about how women should submit in a marriage she wrote that it "sickens" her and I honestly feel so bad and hurt by this. Should I apologize for something I believe?
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Maybe you should explain to her what means "submitting to your husband" because this can be, indeed, misunderstood and twisted into meaning something else.

Tell her that a woman should submit to her husband like the church submits to Christ. And tell your friend what Christ did for the church: He died for His Church!
So men also should love their wives like Christ loves the church.

I am sure that your friend will no longer be sickened by that verse when she will understand what it really means. No sane woman would say "pass" to a man that loves her so much that he would sacrifice himself for her. And no woman would find "sick" to submit (to love) to this kind of man...
 
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I think some women are used to being treated poorly by men and for a woman to say they want to submit to that other women find it rediculas.
Let them know that you submit to your husband because he is the kind of man that does everything for you and looks after you!
 
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Mary96 said:
I have someone in my friend circle who decided to write me a letter about how I was anti-women because I made a comment about how women should submit in a marriage she wrote that it "sickens" her and I honestly feel so bad and hurt by this. Should I apologize for something I believe?
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I can't give you a solid answer because I don't know what you told her. Let me explain..... Even though you used a good scripture about submission, there's several interpretations as to what people thinks this scripture means. I'm not gonna hash out the proper interpretation for that would only cause a debate & spin the topic off course.

I will say this, though. Christians should search the scriptures to investigate what this really means..... which takes devotion & prayer. In my short little life (52), I've discovered that I believed a lot of things that other people had told me for years that wasn't true. Notice this scripture:

Acts 17:10-11 (KJV) [SUP]10 [/SUP]And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. [SUP]11 [/SUP]These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

This doesn't mean they studied just to see if it was in there..... they studied multiple scriptures to prove if Paul's teachings were interpreted correctly within biblical context & with the proper attitude in which God intended it.

The reason this particular scripture has so many "interpretations" is because it hasn't been studied through properly.
 
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Mary96 said:
I have someone in my friend circle who decided to write me a letter about how I was anti-women because I made a comment about how women should submit in a marriage she wrote that it "sickens" her and I honestly feel so bad and hurt by this. Should I apologize for something I believe?
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Shake the dust off your feet. The sooner you let p/c thought police know you don't cower to their demands, the sooner you'll be liberated from their tyrannical garbage.
 
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Galahad

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Mary96 said:
I have someone in my friend circle who decided to write me a letter about how I was anti-women because I made a comment about how women should submit in a marriage she wrote that it "sickens" her and I honestly feel so bad and hurt by this. Should I apologize for something I believe?
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She's anti friend. She's anti truth. Back at her. Don't apologize. In fact, tell her study with you or leave her comments to herself.
Ask her what she's submitting to when she advocates such stuff. She's submitting to something.
 
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VioletReigns

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jsr1221 said:
It's polarizing because people want to take the word submission and twist it for their own pleasure, and they want to ignore the verses that come before and after it. It's not about me telling you to make me a sandwich. Instead, it's man and woman serving. Too many people don't get that.
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Mary96 said:
Because I tend to study things that have to do with women
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PoetMary said:
Not exactly. You have lots and lots of posts about submission, yet you are not married. It's actually NOT an issue for you right now in your life.

So, why not post about all the other things you're studying regarding being a woman of God?

I'm an unmarried woman and I rarely think about "submission to a husband" because I have no husband. However, there are a TON of spiritual issues that I'm constantly considering.

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Lol you are doing a lot of assuming
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You do start a lot of threads preaching and teaching about scriptures dealing with wives. It's rather odd that an unmarried teenage girl would assume she's qualified to teach the Word of God concerning married women. I believe that's what PoetMary was saying.

If you "tend to study things having to do with women", why are you teaching scriptures about wives to the men in the Bible Discussion Forum, rather than to the women in the Christian Ladies Forum?
 
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cmarieh

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Mary96 said:
I have someone in my friend circle who decided to write me a letter about how I was anti-women because I made a comment about how women should submit in a marriage she wrote that it "sickens" her and I honestly feel so bad and hurt by this. Should I apologize for something I believe?
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I have been in a similar position just only in a different subject matter and the only thing you can do is pray for her and let her know that as well.

The truth of the matter is we all struggle with submission and no one person likes it because WE ARE ALL human. We all are under submission unto God and we don't like what God has to say so we go by our own rules only leading to disaster as God created us to have free will. I mean this all goes back to the garden of eden when Adam and Eve partook of the fruit knowing full well it was wrong, but had to go with their own agenda causing disaster and lost that intimacy with the father. It was until the cross and the perfect sacrifice we were finally able to be one with God again. Please don't judge your friend as it says in the word not to and please pray and seek God with your entire heart on this issue.
 
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shotgunner

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Just calmly and biblically explain to her what it means in context with the other verses that say for the husband and wife to submit to each other and for the husband to give himself as Christ gave himself.

I think your friend has a problem more with what she thinks submitting means than what it really means.
 
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The problem is that a lot of crappy men have used that verse to justify beating and contrlling their women to a point that is certainly unbiblical. And since those are the stories that get spread, its clear why your friends would view this negatively. You need to show them examples of this working in the way God intended.
 
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Mary96 said:
I have someone in my friend circle who decided to write me a letter about how I was anti-women because I made a comment about how women should submit in a marriage she wrote that it "sickens" her and I honestly feel so bad and hurt by this. Should I apologize for something I believe?
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Why?
Why should you feel hurt or bad?
Why do you care if she doesn't even want the take the time to understand?
Why is she a friend if she hates you that much? (Or, at the very least, goes off on you for nothing in particular.)
Why would you apologize for something you aren't sorry about?

I'm not worried about her. But seriously? Submit doesn't mean door mat, and you're talking about being her door mat, so I am worried about you.
 
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atwhatcost

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Is that why you keep bringing the topic up?
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Good call. Thanks.

Mary, I take it back. Apparently you don't understand submission either. Sounds more like an identity crisis than a terr from a friend.

One more Why?

Why would a friend send you a letter about problems she has with you submitting, if you've been so unsure of the woman's role for as long as you've been on this site?
 
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Mary96 said:
I have someone in my friend circle who decided to write me a letter about how I was anti-women because I made a comment about how women should submit in a marriage she wrote that it "sickens" her and I honestly feel so bad and hurt by this. Should I apologize for something I believe?
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Usually people write letters to make sure they are heard. Perhaps your friend tried to tell you in the past that she disagreed with your preaching about wives submitting to men. Perhaps she felt like you were trying to force your religious beliefs onto her. She's communicated to you that to be so blindly devoted to a legalistic law is not beneficial: and she would be right!

Godly submission is not a physical act of our will, Mary. We don't just decide to humbly submit to a spouse. Anyone can act like a servant. But that would just be an act. God puts in us the servant heart of His Son Jesus whereas we can put others above ourselves in love.

When our eyes are on Jesus and we're listening to His Voice, it is Jesus Christ Himself guiding us in His footsteps. We can only submit to one another like Christ when our eyes are on Christ. So you see, preaching to your friends about submission isn't opening their eyes to Jesus. You loving your friends just as they are and keeping your eyes on the Lord will be the true witness. :)

Praise God your friend thinks your friendship important enough to communicate with you thru a letter. There's no reason for you to feel bad about it because it's an opportunity for your friendship to grow in the love of God. Instead of trying to get her to agree with a religious belief, let the Lord reveal Himself to her thru your loving friendship with her. :D
 
Mary96

Mary96

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We are not friends just happen to have friends in common thats why I said same friend circle she wrote me a letter to be mean and make fun of me
 
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