Are Catholics saved?

[pickles]

Christmas mass?????? what this is not even in the bible...... there is no hildays in the bible; none .... but catholics celebrate them all. for they are all a form of pagen worship.... look up the oringin of these things... easte eggs ( a way the dead come back in reincarnation) ... easter bunny ( a fertility god) so is the gualupe, the statue of a woman holding a baby ( the old goddess diana) eveything the people do in their " tradictional practices are demonic, Jeremiah tell you about the decorating of the tree ( which they used as a god ) holloween.... chech it out yourself.... I will never walk away from the God of the Bible to serve a god who immitate the true and living God. show me a catholic who love Christ; and not bow there knees to a statue or picture of a image the call chrst or mary or one of the Apostels and pray and worship them..... for anything you BOW down and Worship you have made into a god. you can say Jesus all you want... for this is how many will be deceived..and is and has already was even to giving up their very lives through false teachings....... Show mw a catholic who convictions are from the Holy Spirit of God and not to man... their shame is the the physical cchurch (man ) and not to God. they fell they must hide their sins from each others when God see them everyday. or they can do what they want and then go to confessionals { which is man ) then is told they are forgiving ( say ten hail marys and maybe three of somethings else) and go sin nomore. say someone hed to wait till the end of the week ( which I'm sure thousand may have ) to go to confessionals or there is not a catholic church for at least a hundred miles away; how then do they ask for forgivness; say they die before they get a chance to confess to a man their sins; where do their soul go? whan all they have to do is get down on their kness; or go into their prayer closet ( be alone) and ask God in the name of Jesus to forgive them and to remove everything that is not like him from their hearts and minds; that they sin no more against God. and not just pray when they need something but to God alone they bless and give the glory. for he said he will not share it with another.
I will pray for your soul; while you are in the land of the living that God not man will lead and guide you to all truth that is in Christ Jesus.

Cookie, while I have no problem with you judging the religion, how dare you judge the hearts of those that are in the church.
You want a person that shows true faith that was catholic, My mother. She was more commited to Jesus, Our Father in heaven and trust in the Holy Spirit , than most that claim too. This wonderful woman raised 10 children by herself. Not only did she do this but also always opened her door to those that needed a home. Even though we had very little she always found a way to give to others.
Every day of her life was commited to faith in Our Lord God, and all she needed, believed and hoped for was in Jesus. There was never a time that she denyed Jesus even in the most horrific cercomstances.
She never worshiped any saint but did look to all saints as an example of faith. which is biblical, do we not follow the teachings of the apostles?
She praised God in all circomstances, and honored her vows till the day she died. One only had to see her eyes to know the love of Our Lord God. Every thing she did was a prayer of praise.
Only after she passed did we learn how far reaching was her love of others.
In fact so great was her love and sacrifice that several papers wrote of it and even a radio station did a tribute. I know she would have scoffed at it all saying it was Our Lord God not her that was responcable.
The church was packed with the people whos live she had touched and ministered to. All speaking of how her love of God witnessed to them.
She did not agree with some of the doctorines in the catholic church, but often said there are problems no matter what church you go to. What matters is your love and obediance to God.
She taught me to see the goodness in all people and all that life offered. Always trusting that God would see you through. I never heard her say anything bad about another, I believe it was because she had learned and recieved the love of Jesus so compleatly that she saw all ,as Our Father in heaven saw them.
I saw in her and others that are catholic, although they would say christians, the peace of God so great that it seemed as though light shown from their faces.
The last words from her mouth were her praising, loveing and glorifying God as she left this world.
Cookie, I agree that there are some things in the catholic church that are wrong, but I have seen many churches that have altered the word .
I have seen many no matter what church or doctorine, that have a faith and love so great that the foolishness and deception cannot touch them. Because Our Lord Jesus keeps them in his fold.
Judge the catholic faith if you must, but the people within? They belong to our Lord Jesus and please remember that Judgement is mine says the Lord.
I know you see the corruption in the catholic church, I have seen it also, that is why I no longer belong to the catholic church. But remember we are called to bare witness to the salvation of Our Lord Jesus. Not to condem, only to correct.
God bless, pickles

 

[greatkraw]

Christmas mass?????? what this is not even in the bible...... there is no hildays in the bible; none .... but catholics celebrate them all. for they are all a form of pagen worship.... look up the oringin of these things... easte eggs ( a way the dead come back in reincarnation) ... easter bunny ( a fertility god) so is the gualupe, the statue of a woman holding a baby ( the old goddess diana) eveything the people do in their " tradictional practices are demonic, Jeremiah tell you about the decorating of the tree ( which they used as a god ) holloween.... chech it out yourself.... I will never walk away from the God of the Bible to serve a god who immitate the true and living God. show me a catholic who love Christ; and not bow there knees to a statue or picture of a image the call chrst or mary or one of the Apostels and pray and worship them..... for anything you BOW down and Worship you have made into a god. you can say Jesus all you want... for this is how many will be deceived..and is and has already was even to giving up their very lives through false teachings....... Show mw a catholic who convictions are from the Holy Spirit of God and not to man... their shame is the the physical cchurch (man ) and not to God. they fell they must hide their sins from each others when God see them everyday. or they can do what they want and then go to confessionals { which is man ) then is told they are forgiving ( say ten hail marys and maybe three of somethings else) and go sin nomore. say someone hed to wait till the end of the week ( which I'm sure thousand may have ) to go to confessionals or there is not a catholic church for at least a hundred miles away; how then do they ask for forgivness; say they die before they get a chance to confess to a man their sins; where do their soul go? whan all they have to do is get down on their kness; or go into their prayer closet ( be alone) and ask God in the name of Jesus to forgive them and to remove everything that is not like him from their hearts and minds; that they sin no more against God. and not just pray when they need something but to God alone they bless and give the glory. for he said he will not share it with another.
I will pray for your soul; while you are in the land of the living that God not man will lead and guide you to all truth that is in Christ Jesus.

Hi Cookie,

The Jews celebrate Hanukah.

It is nowhere in the Old Testament.

Jesus celebrated it.

 

[kujo313]

And I always confess to Jesus. When you go to confession you don't confess to the priest, but to Jesus! It is Christ who offers forgiveness, and He saw fit to give us a way to know that we are forgiven through the ministry of His duly selected priests.

I always find it better to confess to the PERSON I SINNED AGAINST.
The "priest" usually tells you to say a few "Our Fathers" or "Hail Marys". Is that it? Scripture tells us to leave our gifts at the altar and go make ammends with our bretheran and to confess our sins.

It's the Roman Catholic Church that says you must confess to a priest from their own religion. Pope Benedict says that if you aren't RCC then you're "disfunctional" and that the RCC has the "exclusive to Salvation".
Funny how they made that one man on the corner "disfunctional" who was casting our demons in the Name of Jesus and the disciples rebuked him just because he was not following them. Jesus told them to leave him alone for he who is not against them is FOR them.

We're all in this to save souls, aren't we? If so, then WHY is Pope Benedict saying that the RCC has the "exclusive" on Salvation?

Actually, JESUS has the "exclusive".

I'm an Acts Chapter 2 guy. I fit in the "disfunctional" catagory, I guess.

 

[kujo313]

I'm just wondering. Even though even though I'm not Catholic myself, I did used to a friend that's Catholic. I'm just worried that she might not be saved because she probably went though mary to be and not Jesus or God.

But yeah, I'm curious if in general are Catholics gonna be going to heaven or not?

Actually, ask a Catholic if anybody else is going to Heaven.

 

[MahogonySnail]

The Catholic church doesn't think they are the only ones to be saved. Protestants are in included. Even muslims. The comments by the pope were in reference to the history of the church I believe.

 

[dscherck]

Correct. The teachings of the Catholic Church are in line with Scriptures. We believe that being in communion with the Church Christ founded is of course the normative way to heaven. That involves of course following God's word and striving to emulate Jesus. However, we are also aware of the deep reverence shown towards the Scriptures and towards Jesus in the Protestant churches. It's obvious that the Holy Spirit is active amongst the Protestants, therefore we feel that there are quite a few Protestants who will be in Heaven as well. The Catholic Church still believes that it would be best for everyone to be Catholic, but we also know that Our Lord is ever merciful and just. For those who reject the Catholic Church because of mistaken impressions, yet who continue to strive to do God's will according to the best of their knowledge, we entrust them to God's mercy and have hope that they will be saved in Christ. This of course holds true for anyone. People who reject Christianity in general not because of the truth of the Gospel, but because they see the hypocrisy of it's members, or who simply have not heard an accurate version of the Gospel MAY be saved if they continue to strive to do what is right and just, this may include Jews, Hindus, Muslims, or even Atheists. We know that the Law is still written on men's hearts and we entrust these people to God's mercy. That doesn't mean we shouldn't strive to reach them with the Truth of the gospels and to help enlighten them about what the Church really teaches, but we shouldn't despair completely. The good news is for all men of all lands, and we must do our best to carry the gospel to all people that they may be saved through Jesus Christ. But we must not forget that the Lord is the final judge of men's hearts and His plans are not ours. Should they be granted the gift of Salvation, it is ONLY through the infinite mercy of Our Lord God Jesus Christ.

 

[MissMaryMac]

I always find it better to confess to the PERSON I SINNED AGAINST.
The "priest" usually tells you to say a few "Our Fathers" or "Hail Marys". Is that it? Scripture tells us to leave our gifts at the altar and go make ammends with our bretheran and to confess our sins.

It's the Roman Catholic Church that says you must confess to a priest from their own religion. Pope Benedict says that if you aren't RCC then you're "disfunctional" and that the RCC has the "exclusive to Salvation".
Funny how they made that one man on the corner "disfunctional" who was casting our demons in the Name of Jesus and the disciples rebuked him just because he was not following them. Jesus told them to leave him alone for he who is not against them is FOR them.

We're all in this to save souls, aren't we? If so, then WHY is Pope Benedict saying that the RCC has the "exclusive" on Salvation?

Actually, JESUS has the "exclusive".

I'm an Acts Chapter 2 guy. I fit in the "disfunctional" catagory, I guess.

The Pope would never say the Roman Catholic Church has the exclusive on salvation, as his "authority" is accepted by more than just the Roman Catholic Church.


And the Catholic Church teaches you to first seek forgiveness of those you sin against. If you go to confession before you do that, they'll tell you to go talk to the person and ask for their forgiveness. And rarely is a penance saying a Hail Mary or other random prayer, but usually to reflect on yourself/a bible passage/etc.

 

[greatkraw]

I have a RC church across the street from me.


They have a big sign as all churches do which has a different message monthly

I have forgotten the exact wording but it basically is a message praising Mary and mentioning Jesus as a footnote.

 

[Jordan9]

Because Jesus told us to be here?

Essentially what I was going to say when I opened this thread.

 

[cookie39]

Cookie, while I have no problem with you judging the religion, how dare you judge the hearts of those that are in the church.
You want a person that shows true faith that was catholic, My mother. She was more commited to Jesus, Our Father in heaven and trust in the Holy Spirit , than most that claim too. This wonderful woman raised 10 children by herself. Not only did she do this but also always opened her door to those that needed a home. Even though we had very little she always found a way to give to others.
Every day of her life was commited to faith in Our Lord God, and all she needed, believed and hoped for was in Jesus. There was never a time that she denyed Jesus even in the most horrific cercomstances.
She never worshiped any saint but did look to all saints as an example of faith. which is biblical, do we not follow the teachings of the apostles?
She praised God in all circomstances, and honored her vows till the day she died. One only had to see her eyes to know the love of Our Lord God. Every thing she did was a prayer of praise.
Only after she passed did we learn how far reaching was her love of others.
In fact so great was her love and sacrifice that several papers wrote of it and even a radio station did a tribute. I know she would have scoffed at it all saying it was Our Lord God not her that was responcable.
The church was packed with the people whos live she had touched and ministered to. All speaking of how her love of God witnessed to them.
She did not agree with some of the doctorines in the catholic church, but often said there are problems no matter what church you go to. What matters is your love and obediance to God.
She taught me to see the goodness in all people and all that life offered. Always trusting that God would see you through. I never heard her say anything bad about another, I believe it was because she had learned and recieved the love of Jesus so compleatly that she saw all ,as Our Father in heaven saw them.
I saw in her and others that are catholic, although they would say christians, the peace of God so great that it seemed as though light shown from their faces.
The last words from her mouth were her praising, loveing and glorifying God as she left this world.
Cookie, I agree that there are some things in the catholic church that are wrong, but I have seen many churches that have altered the word .
I have seen many no matter what church or doctorine, that have a faith and love so great that the foolishness and deception cannot touch them. Because Our Lord Jesus keeps them in his fold.
Judge the catholic faith if you must, but the people within? They belong to our Lord Jesus and please remember that Judgement is mine says the Lord.
I know you see the corruption in the catholic church, I have seen it also, that is why I no longer belong to the catholic church. But remember we are called to bare witness to the salvation of Our Lord Jesus. Not to condem, only to correct.
God bless, pickles

sorry for the misunderstanding, I never said anything about the heart of no one. I don't see where you got that from. and if your mother ( God bless her soul) and all she did in the name of Jesus. I know that most ministries are not intune with the Holy Spirit, in order to hear and receive a revealation from God for the truth that is in His Word. that is why I depend on the Spirit of God to lead me and guide me into all His truth. and if any Man preaching or teaching and have not the Spirit of god leading him( and the Holy Spirit will let us know) I do not receive anything from him; not nothing!! there is no bits and peices; some write or some wrong in the Word of God.
I do not Judge; nor did I judge; I just told the truth. some people think that when you point out a person's wrong it is what the world call judging; that is furter from the truth. it does not mean that. to judge someone is to tell them why they do what they do and give them a end result.
I never said why catholics believe in their hearts what they believe,( for expl. oh they believe these lies because they are foolish or stupid, or for money or something long these lines) I never said any of these things. If I was to say why; which I only know of the things I was told of by other catholics and background research to the things they told and what I have seen. I would say that they are being decieved, but how or why each individual is being decieved, that I don't know nor did I confess to know.
but when it comes to telling the truth; I will sing it to the mountain top, in hopes to win some to Christ Jesus unto salvation. telling someone their sins is not and never will be judging. for as you said God Judges; and if you read the Word it tells us to judge righteously. I have not condemned no man for what they do. that is God's call. So from this day forth I hope you as well as all those who don't know the definition of the Word judging; to please get it right. so the next time someone tell them about their sins they will take it to heart and see it for themselves and turn to God who forgives all sins. ( I know except one). I praise God that you heard from him to see the right way. but to say that every church has it wrongs and false doctrine is a washout and is no excuse for teaching and just as bad living a lie. Jesus said that he is coming for a pure church, one without spots or blemishes. some may say that is not possible because men are not perfect, but there will be some who will become perfect in Christ, who's whole heart is for the Lord God. and if it was not so then Jesus would of have not said it. because we know that the church of God is not built with man's hands. it is the bride of Christ; his own body.
as I said; sorry for your misunderstanding and I forgive you for putting words in my mouth; saying that I said something when I didn't.

 

[pickles]

I was responding to your statement show me a catholic that loves Jesus Christ and does not bow down before a statue.
I reread your statement and understand the point you were trying to make.
The catholic church removes most of the saints statues back in the 1970s because it became understood that worshiping saints was wrong.
Although there are still some that refuse or do not know how to change this practice.
The main reason I chose to leave the catholic church was that they made your relationship with God Our Father seem too distant. Only through a priest.
I knew in my heart at an early age that Jesus was with me And have loved him always.
Sorry I was so harsh, thats why I prefur face to face, we see each others hearts. Not just their words.
Smiles and God bless, pickles

 

[pickles]

Cookie, I dont know what part of the states you live in. But Im sure If we ever met we would hit it off right away and be good friends.
You are passonate about the Lord and love him, and where I live that is scarce. I miss having another that loves Jesus so clearly and justly to talk too.
keep the word strong. God bless, pickles

 

[kujo313]

"The Pope would never say the Roman Catholic Church has the exclusive on salvation, as his "authority" is accepted by more than just the Roman Catholic Church. "



http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56612

"Exclusive" due to "apostolic succession". Funny, there is another religion that traces it's succession to the apostle Mark.
Succession has nothing to do with it.

 

[Toby2]

I think they are, they believe that Jesus died on the cross for our sins and if you believe in Jesus you will go to heaven

 

[kujo313]

Because Jesus told us to be here?

1 John 4:1 "Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world."

If I don't believe what Catholics believe about Mary, can I still go to Heaven?

 

[worldlover]

Okay, in all seriousness though, this is such an awful question to ask, and shows a lot of bigotry or at least extreme ignorance. God does not judge us by what church we're affiliated with but by our hearts.

I agree with you. It's also right that no one knows who will go to heaven but God. It's hard to judge other religions specifically Catholics because i'm not in the right place to criticize them even though i know that some of their practices are not right so let's wait for the judgement day and see who will be saved.

 

[kujo313]

When the Ten Commandments were given, there were other people who worshipped other gods and multiple gods. They had statues of them all over the place. God commanded His people not to do that. No other gods. No images. Don't bow before them. Don't serve them.

Catholics will bow before a statue of Mary and they gather where supposed images of her are reported. HOW many showed up to see an image of "Mary" on a grilled cheese sandwich? Or an office window?

Just WHAT kind of message did "she" give?
Think of the girl who was visited by an angel 2000 years ago:

1. As a female, she was concidered property. She could not be a witness in any court. She had no authority.
2. As a young female, she probably wondered WHY wasn't an older woman chosen. One in their 20's or 30's.
3. She admitted that she needed a Savior.
4. Under the Old Testament, which, at that time, she still fell under the authority of, she had to obey God and love Him with her all (Deu 6:5).

After all that, WHY would she, hundreds and 2000 years later, would start saying words like "I will", "my salvation", my immaculate heart" ?

All authority was given to Jesus and He gave it to us. Mary, as an obedient believer, did as John the Baptist described about him and Jesus: "He must increase while I must decrease."

 

[greatkraw]

yeah, mary needed a saviour - she said so

when she asked Jesus for a favour He said what have you got to do with me

when He was told his mum and siblings were waiting for Him outside He said He was busy

influential babe indeed

 

[dscherck]

Why is it that when Catholics honour Our Lord's mother, we're called idolaters, but when Protestants denigrate her, they're honouring Jesus somehow? Why can't we recognize that she is worthy of honour because she is the mother of Our Lord God Jesus Christ? Tell me, is it not in the Scriptures that "All generations will call me blessed." ? Did Our Lord not perform the miracle at the wedding in Cana at her bequest even though He said, "my time is not yet come."? That seems a bit influential. And did Our Lord not entrust say to us, "Behold your mother." at the cross? Was she not there at every step of His journey? What is wrong with emulating someone who tells us to "Do whatever he tells you." ? What is wrong with honouring the woman who gave birth to Our Saviour? What is wrong with following the examples of the angels and calling her blessed? When we honour her, we honour the one who made her blessed.

And yet, to some, she is a burden. To some, she is an idol. But to us, she is the one whom the angels called blessed, who tells us to "do whatever he tells us to do." We love Jesus, when we accepted Him into our hearts, we accepted ALL of Him, including accepting His mother as our own.

 

[machew]

Why is it that when Catholics honour Our Lord's mother, we're called idolaters, but when Protestants denigrate her, they're honouring Jesus somehow? Why can't we recognize that she is worthy of honour because she is the mother of Our Lord God Jesus Christ? Tell me, is it not in the Scriptures that "All generations will call me blessed." ? Did Our Lord not perform the miracle at the wedding in Cana at her bequest even though He said, "my time is not yet come."? That seems a bit influential. And did Our Lord not entrust say to us, "Behold your mother." at the cross? Was she not there at every step of His journey? What is wrong with emulating someone who tells us to "Do whatever he tells you." ? What is wrong with honouring the woman who gave birth to Our Saviour? What is wrong with following the examples of the angels and calling her blessed? When we honour her, we honour the one who made her blessed.

And yet, to some, she is a burden. To some, she is an idol. But to us, she is the one whom the angels called blessed, who tells us to "do whatever he tells us to do." We love Jesus, when we accepted Him into our hearts, we accepted ALL of Him, including accepting His mother as our own.

dscherck:

I agree that honor is due to Mary, as she was the one woman picked out of all the women in Israel. Not only that but she was one of the few people of the Bible who embraced the call of God on her life without stumbling in unbelief. Many of the people in the Bible did not initially believe right away like she did. Because of Jewish culture, she also went through life being called the "mother of the illegitimate child" for most of her life, and was still able to live as God intended and without offense.

I think the big issue between Protestants and Catholics is that Catholics pray to Mary. There does not seem to be any Biblical support for praying to anyone except God(Father, Jesus, and Holy Spirit). When a Protestant walks into a Catholic mass and people are praying to Mary or one of the saints, it is bothersome enough that many can't stay for the whole service.

Protestants do have a lot of reverence for the Bible and this one point seems to cross the line for us. I love hanging around Catholics, and believe that many Catholics are saved and are going to heaven because they have relationship with and have put their faith in Jesus. I have also seen God healing people and the Holy Spirit moving mightily in many Catholic charismatic meetings. It is just that the theological differences are just so different, some of which the Protestant church considers heretical.

I was baptized a Catholic when I was really young, but later received Jesus into my life by my own decision when I was in college at a non-denominational evangelical church. If I had chosen to remain a Catholic, would God still have pursued me and drawn me to Him? Of course. But I believe, God guided me down this path and had me read the Bible for myself. Once I read it, I saw what I consider to be valid points that go against some of the traditions of the Catholic church.

Do I think all Catholics should become Protestant? Of course not. I know that many Catholics are part of the Catholic church because it is the will of God for their life. The Catholic church needs future influences and leaders just as any other church needs them. I believe that God is definitely moving in the Catholic church and that He is raising up future influencers and leaders that will move the church into everything He intended the Church to be.