Are muslims really worshiping satan?

[Mal316]

Here's an obvious statement: Not everybody worships the God of the Bible. I don't know that that makes them worshipers of Satan. Christians don't worship the God of the Koran, Allah. Does that make them infidels? Christians don't worship Krishna or Buddha or Shiva or the sun or the moon or the earth or animals. Are they then worshiping a false god because they don't worship those things? No Christian would claim he or she worships a false God. No Christian would claim to be following Satan or practicing idolatry. Yet it is perfectly fine to say that those who are not Christian do worship false gods, and that they worship satan and that they are idolaters.

I have not studied the Koran, so I will take mpaper's word for it that the teachings of God in the Bible do not coincide with the teachings of the Koran. Here's another obvious statement: Teachings of different religious faiths will not always coincide with each other.

It would be fair to say that a Christian ought not to follow the Koran but should a Muslim not follow the Koran? Because Christianity sees Islam as false, must those who practice it give it up? Idk, maybe that's part of making disciples of all nations. " Give up your false gods and worship the one true God of the heavens and the earth. There is no other name under heaven by which we must be saved. Repent and be baptized!" And if a Muslim doesn't want to be baptized? If he feels no conviction from God that how he worships is wrong, is he still to be converted?

Suppose a Muslim wanted to convert you away from Christianity to Islam. Suppose he told you that you were an infidel and have strayed from the true path and that you must become a Muslim in order to be acceptable to God, what would your response be? I imagine that most would balk at the idea. I imagine that most would reject the offer of conversion to Islam. Why? And why are your reasons any more valid than the Muslim who doesn't want to convert to Christianity?

 

[Pineapple]

I have not studied the Koran, so I will take mpaper's word for it that the teachings of God in the Bible do not coincide with the teachings of the Koran.

I'm not saying he's wrong, but why would you take his word for it? He could be anyone, go straight to the source.

 

[mpaper345]

That is right Pineapple do not take my word for it,although I will not steer you wrong,and do not take anybody else's word for it but go straight to the source.Which is what we should do when we hear the word of God when we hear someone speak of God's word.

These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so(Acts 17:11).

The Bible says listen to what people say concerning God's word but search the Bible to see if what they told you is the truth.

That is the problem with people that go by traditions.They go to a certain denomination and are convinced that what they say is the truth and do not search the Bible to see if it is true.

That is the problem with people that go by traditions.They go to a certain denomination and are convinced it is the truth and the preacher is called of God and they do not want to question it because they think they will be offending God.

That is the problem with people that go by traditions.They believe a certain thing and build a foundation of that believe and try to fit scripture in to it but if it is not true it will not fit but instead of reconciling the seemly contradiction they try to fit it in their tradition belief by a misinterpretation or they ignore it.

Matt

 

[Mal316]

I'm not saying he's wrong, but why would you take his word for it? He could be anyone, go straight to the source.

Excellent point. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt until it is proven that they cannot be trusted. If after I go to the source and it is proven that what he says is not true, then I would have reason to doubt him.

 

[imoss]

Whatever happened to respecting beliefs and moving on? How would you like to be called an idolator or a blasphemer or an infidel? How would you like to have your salvation judged by those who don't know your walk with God? This is an example of arrogance not only being compatible with Christianity but required. John 14:6 is another example.

With all due respect... If we only give people a pat on the head and allow them to continue in err this is not doing the Lord or them any good. I do have confidence that if you are walking with God with an open heart to know his truth he will lead you right into the loving arms of Jesus Christ Lord and savior. Why do you suppose you are in christian chat right now? There is no coincidence, it is because of your heart regardless of your original intent. God bless you Mal316.

 

[mcubed]

I often wonder this.

Muslims believe that they worship the God of Abraham, the God spoken of in the Torah.

Muslims do not believe that they worship G-d of our Fathers. The do not even believe our Fathers were Jews!! The Qur'an goes as far as to say Abraham is considered the first Muslim because he submitted to Allah Sura 3:67. Abraham was not a Jew not yet a Christian but was an upright man who surrendered and he was not of the idolaters. (Also Sura 21:40) “Abraham in truth was not a Jew, neither a Christian, but he was a Muslim.” The Bible calls him a Jew, the Jews consider him a Jew and so did Jesus. Everyone does except the Muslims. In the Qur'an it states Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are Muslim, they live and die for Islam. These are all foreign words for their time so they are clearly put in after the fact.

Yes, they are deceived and blinded by the evil one and we must pray for their salvation and the protection of Israel and the peace of Jerusalem!!!!!

 

[MahogonySnail]

Muslims have fabricated a lie that they have some sort of claim to biblical ancestry and the Jews. Nothing could be further from the truth. Ishmael produced the Ishmaelites. Muslims came from arabic tribes. Not Abraham. Mohamed never traveld to jerusalem and it is not really even mentioned in the quran. But muslims make a claim to it all the same. Many christians believe jews came from isaac and muslims from ishmael. Nothign could be furthe rfrom the truth, that's a muslim deception.

 

[mizpah]

dear brethen, peace of Christ be with you!

Let's not be judgemental for what measurement we'll used against others will be use against us also.God loves the muslim,too.
They are Ismael's descendants and God had blessed them so well,too as He blessed Isaac.They are worshipper of the God of Abraham like the jews,too.

You may find them weird but if you come to open up your mind, they are living just like in the old testament lifestyle:the way they dress,marriage,prayer,etc.They live by the law because they still don't accept the saving work of Christ.They are still waiting for the messiah.
The first 5 books of Qur'an is the same as the first five books of the old testament.

 

[MahogonySnail]

The first 5 books of Qur'an is the same as the first five books of the old testament.

The Christian bible has more of the old testament in it than the Qu'ran, and it's older too. Muslims are no where mentioned in the new testament by Christ or anyone in the old testament either. THat's no surprise considering muslims didn't exist until 400 years after Christ. So your claims that they are decended from or remotely connected to anyone in the bible other than a son of Noah, is complete nonsense.

 

[mizpah]

I dont claimed that they are descended from anyone,it is the belief of muslim that they are Ismael's descendants.Muslims are not mentioned in the old old and new testament but the place arabia has been mentioned.Paul mentioned that the sinai in arabia,and also of the children of a slave woman referred to Hagar, mother of Ismaelites.Arabs claimed to be Ismael's descendants.Persia has been mentioned in the bible and Persian gulf is in the middle east.Muslim has been in existent,it was not recorded just like any other people.The bible has been the historical books of the Israelites;for other tribes and races, there was no other books.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Different tribal migrations I think. I believe that pure arabs are descended from Joktan or Qahtan which come from Cush and Shem from Noah. Not Ishmael. Arabia was well populated before Abraham came along. Ishmael produced the Ishmaelites who ceased to exist as a tribe after the time of king David. They intermarried with local tribes and were absorbed by the Midianites. By the time we get to muslims existing, I would say the vast majority of arabs are not descended genetically from Ishmael.

See this article, and relevant paragraph below
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishmaelites

The Ishmaelites are sometimes identified with the Arab people although this is an over-simplification. Arab tradition traces the original Arabs of southern Arabia to Qahtan and the Mustaribs (the people of northern Arabia who assimilated into the Arabs) to Adnan. Attempts to harmonize Arabic tradition with Judaeo-Christian tradition led to a hermeneutical fable identifying Adnan's ancestor, A'raq al-Thara with Ishmael the son of Abraham, the argument being that Abraham was not consumed by hell-fire and fire does not consume moist earth, the meaning of al-Thara.

The Quran also contradicts the Jewish writings on almost all accounts, concerning the travels of Abraham and where he went and what he did.