Are They really “One” or are they ALL on “One Accord“ ?

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Eccl12and13

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Let’s read some “FACTS” from the word of God, use just a little reasoning and rightfully divide the word of God, just as His word tells us to do. After all...if we have a doctrine, it's bases can ONLY come from the word of God;

2 Tim.3
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
[17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

So....if we have a doctrine concerning the bible.....the reasoning to prove it MUST come from the bible.

With that said....let's read some FACTS;
 
1. God the Father will not judge man, that job is reserved for…..Jesus!
John.5
[22] For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

2. God the Son has no idea when He is coming back; that knowledge is reserved for God the Father ONLY!
Mark.13
[32] But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

3. You can speak against the God the Son, but if you speak against the Holy Ghost it will not be forgiven.
Luke.12
[10] And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

4. The Holy Spirit has no idea when Jesus is coming back, nor will it judge man!
See Mark 13:32 & John 5:22 above!

5. Jesus prays to God the Father!
Matt.26
[39] And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
[42] He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.

Now let’s examine the doctrine given to us by man, NOT God, and ask the following logical questions;

If they are ONE, how can the Son judge WITHOUT the Father and the Holy Ghost?
If they are ONE, how can the Father know the time and the hour, but NOT the Holy Spirit or the Son?
If they are ONE, how can you blaspheme against the Holy Spirit and not the Father or Son?
If they are ONE, who is it that Jesus prays to in the garden before His death?
If they are ONE, who was God while Jesus was dead for 3 days and 3 nights?
If they are ONE, who raised Jesus from the dead?

Oh yeah…..I can really see man’s doctrine of “Being One” really coming together and making sense!

How about this? How about just reading the scriptures for what they are? Could the scriptures just mean that ALL (3) are ALL on one accord?

Let’s read what Jesus tells us, in His own words in John 17, just how it is the three are one!

After reading the ONLY place in all of the bible where it is explained how God is one with the Son and the Holy Spirit, you will see nowhere does Jesus even come close to suggesting that (3) separate entities are of the same substance, or are for different dispensations or any such thing.

Let's study the following scriptures, use common sense, rightly divide the word of God and let the bible, not a man made doctrine, explain it!




Here’s how Jesus tells us the (3) are ONE!!

Now this this the ONLY explanation of how, not only the (3) are one, but how ALL that have the same message are one. And this comes from Jesus Himself. How anyone could come up with some other doctrine not found in God’s word is beyond me….but leave it up to man to come up with the ‘mystery’! Let’s read what Jesus tells us plain and clear;

1John.5
[7] For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Just how are they all one? Let's read how Jesus Christ explains it to us;

John.17
[1] These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
[5] And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

We see from reading above Jesus (God) SHARING the Glory with the Father (God), even before the world. No mention of any other God; just God the Father AND God the Son. Let's continue;

[11] And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

So the Son is ONE with the Father AND all those that the Father has given the Son are ALSO ONE! So we too are ONE with God! But how? Let's read more. Let's see at what point Jesus mentions God the Holy Ghost

[17] Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
[18] As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
[19] And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

So the ones that God sent to Jesus are separated, or sanctified, by His word, the Holy scriptures. Let's read who else is sanctified by the word and made ONE with God;

[20] Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
[21] That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

So now we read that EVERYONE that believes in the word/scriptures and brings the SAME message are ONE, just as the Father and the Son are ONE! Now let's read who brings the message of God;

John.14
[16] And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
[26] But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John.15
[26] But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

John.16
[13] Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

So the Comforter, also called the Spirit of Truth and the Holy Ghost, or Holy Spirit, brings ONLY what was given to him. So if the Holy Spirit/Comforter/Holy Ghost/Spirit of Truth brings the same message, he too is ONE with everyone that does the same.

Let's read an example of this from the scriptures;

Rev.1
[1] The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

So we have God the Father giving a revelation to God the Son; Jesus Christ.
This revelation was to be given to their servant; John, by an Holy angel or Spirit!. Let's continue....

[2] Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

So what we have in the Book of Revelation is the word of God the Father, given to His son; Jesus Christ, who in turn gave it to the Holy Spirit, who then gave it to John, who wrote it all down.

So ALL of them are ONE; God the Father, God the Son, the Holy Spirit that gave the message to John AND John himself for writing down ALL that the Holy Spirit revealed to him!



Let's Now Put it All Together

So now when we read the following, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." it is much clearer.

This scripture IS NOT saying all (3) form into one, or that the Father is from one dispensation and the Son and the Holy Spirit from another. Nor does it mention anything about them being of the same substance or any nonsense like that. Nor is it a "Mystery" of faith!


The scripture simply means that EACH one of them, ALL (3) separate entities, have and bring the SAME message.

That is why it is possible for you to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit and not the Father or Son!

That is why the Father can know the time and the hour of Jesus return, but NOT the Holy Spirit or the Son!

That is why the Son will judge and NOT the Father and the Holy Ghost!

Because they are all individual entities; God the Father, God the Son and the Holy Spirit/angel of God, not A God!

There is no ‘mystery’! This makes sense!

Other than what is explained by Jesus Christ Himself in John 17.......THERE IS NO OTHER EXPLANATION IS THE ENTIRE BIBLE!

Let's look at just one more verse given to us by Jesus;

John 17
[22] And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

So we are to be as ONE just as God the Father and Jesus are ONE! So however they are ONE we are ONE in the same way!

And how are God the Father and Jesus and the Holy Spirit all ONE? Jesus already told us......

John 17
[8] For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
[9] I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
[10] And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
[11] And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

You will find NO other explanation in all of God's word telling us how the Father and Jesus are one! And who else becomes ONE with them?

And the explanation comes from Jesus Himself.....

[17] Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
[18] As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
[19] And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
[20] Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
[21] That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

We ALL become ONE when we bring the same message. And since Jesus brought the same message that the Father gave Him...He became ONE with the Father! And since the Holy spirit...which is an Holy angel, brings ONLY what is given to him, he also is ONE with both the Son and the Father.

Again.....so simple. No mystery!

And let's not forget where are we to get ALL of our doctrine?

2 Tim.3
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

If it's not from the word of God.....it simply is not the truth!


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xino

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thanks for this.

the bible CLEARLY states that Jesus is GOD himself...but people just can't buy it.

Jesus is the -Rock- and this rock is mentioned many times in the bible and the God says he is the rock.


people just can't get the fact that God descendent down into the Earth as a human form to bring people to him/God.
God being human means he is lesser than angels.

Just like Paul said, he had to be a Jew to win the people of the Jews, he had to go under the law to win people under the Law.
Just like God...to win us he had to go into the form of a Human just to win us.
 
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Eccl12and13

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thanks for this.

the bible CLEARLY states that Jesus is GOD himself...but people just can't buy it.


Jesus is a God, just as God the Father is a God. These are the ONLY (2) God's spoken of in the bible! They are one because BOTH have the same message.

And anyone else that brings that same message is also one with them.

All that bring the same message as God the Father and God the Son are ALL on one accord.




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Eccl12and13

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Bump it up!
 
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Eccl12and13

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There is only ONE place in ALL of God's word that tells exactly how the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one. And some way man has found a way to mess it up!

Satan: 1, Man: 0


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