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lol.just teasing.
We are saved by grace. We are not saved by faith. Faith the faith through which we receive grace is from hearing the word of God. Even here the Holy Spirit must act upon the word to make it effective in bringing us to Christ.
All of the misuse of James 2:17 is just a dance around the May pole until they all fall down.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
No good works until we have been created in Christ Jesus by being born again and that by grace.
Salvation is never merited or earned. Always by the mercy and love of God. God loved us while we were yet sinners.
1Jo 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
All of the misuse of James 2:17 is just a dance around the May pole until they all fall down.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
No good works until we have been created in Christ Jesus by being born again and that by grace.
Salvation is never merited or earned. Always by the mercy and love of God. God loved us while we were yet sinners.
1Jo 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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it is not confusing, People make it confusing by making works a requirement.
It is faith that is in question.
If you have true faith, it is real. then you will do what the person who trust asks you to do.
If you have mere belief, you will not do anything. Because you have no faith (it is dead)
Paul said we are saved by faith. If you have no Faith, your not saved.
Works are not [art of the equation. James spoke to people who claimed to have faith, but lived like they had lived before they supposedly because a Christian, they heard the word. but had no faith in the word. thus they did not do the word.
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Here is your problem.
if zero zip nada works =- zero faith.
Then one work would equal a live faith.
This I can get saved, do one good deed. and my faith is real. so I am saved because I did that one work.
If you say it is not one work. then how many works is it? And where does James say we need this many works to prove our faith is real..
if zero zip nada works =- zero faith.
Then one work would equal a live faith.
This I can get saved, do one good deed. and my faith is real. so I am saved because I did that one work.
If you say it is not one work. then how many works is it? And where does James say we need this many works to prove our faith is real..
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Just another thread to ATTACK my Lord and Saviors Character,integrity and virtue. Sickening.
A creature that has believed/trusted/ at a POINT in time in the Lord Jesus Christ for their salvation is SAVED. His Grace is never dead. The creatures faith may fail or be dead....................the CREATORS grace never.never,never,never,never and did I say NEVER fails.
A dead faith.............loss of salvation, maintaining salvation,works for salvation......This is a true DEAD faith.
A believer who thinks James 2:17 is talking about eternal life or eternal salvation and loss of it or who never had it ............Is faith without works and is DEAD. Not loss of salvation or was never saved....but a LOSER believer.
A creature that has believed/trusted/ at a POINT in time in the Lord Jesus Christ for their salvation is SAVED. His Grace is never dead. The creatures faith may fail or be dead....................the CREATORS grace never.never,never,never,never and did I say NEVER fails.
A dead faith.............loss of salvation, maintaining salvation,works for salvation......This is a true DEAD faith.
A believer who thinks James 2:17 is talking about eternal life or eternal salvation and loss of it or who never had it ............Is faith without works and is DEAD. Not loss of salvation or was never saved....but a LOSER believer.
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Grace alone saves. Through faith BY grace. The moment we believe HE saves. It is not our faith that saves us, Grace saves us. After the moment of our non meritorious faith, CHRIST(GRACE) saves us. The merit in HIS grace keeps us saved not the merit in our faith.............our faith has no merit, Just His grace.