I've been in the Charismatic movement for about forty years now, and I've seen a lot of people who claim to be a prophet. I'd say 95% aren't. A true prophet doesn't prophecy money out of your pocket into theirs. A true prophet doesn't put the focus on their prophetic gift, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. A true prophet will supernaturally see areas where people need correction as well as encouragement. In the late first century there was a writing called the Didache that addressed the role of the prophet. Apparently false prophets were a big problem back then, too.
Are you a Prophet?
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I have a beautiful dog which I walk daily. I appear to be under scrutiny by my community in some quarters who are ready to criticize the lead I use with him, the length of the walks, the times and the route of the walks, the time he spends running free.....and anything else they think they can criticize me for.
My dog is happy and healthy and wonderful; he knows his place, he is not overweight, he has plenty of energy.....and besides that he is MY dog, not anyone else's.
The funny thing is, all of the criticisms come from people who don't own dogs: they just want to make me think they know better how I should do things.
I see exactly the same thing regarding the prophetic. People who are not prophets themselves appear to be an authority on what a prophet is, and what he isn't. They are not short on criticisms of others and to be honest neither do they have the guts to present themselves to the Lord for this ministry, being willing to be used as God sees fit.
If you are a prophet called by God to be so, you do not choose it, you learn what it is all about as you progress.
If you are NOT a prophet, for goodness sake, you are hardly qualified to judge. Ask questions by all means, but do not judge, and do not assume authority over those who are.
My dog is happy and healthy and wonderful; he knows his place, he is not overweight, he has plenty of energy.....and besides that he is MY dog, not anyone else's.
The funny thing is, all of the criticisms come from people who don't own dogs: they just want to make me think they know better how I should do things.
I see exactly the same thing regarding the prophetic. People who are not prophets themselves appear to be an authority on what a prophet is, and what he isn't. They are not short on criticisms of others and to be honest neither do they have the guts to present themselves to the Lord for this ministry, being willing to be used as God sees fit.
If you are a prophet called by God to be so, you do not choose it, you learn what it is all about as you progress.
If you are NOT a prophet, for goodness sake, you are hardly qualified to judge. Ask questions by all means, but do not judge, and do not assume authority over those who are.
I am qualified to judge based on what the Word says. Seriously, do you have to be a teacher to know if somebody is teaching false doctrine? Do you have to be a singer to know when somebody misses a note? Besides that I sat under the ministry of a prophet for two years. I learned from him, the scriptures, the Didache, and experience. Most of the so-called prophets I have seen are lining their pockets at the expense of gullible believers, and they never say anything bad. It's always "God is going to bless you brother". A true prophet will warn as well as encourage.
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(Robin)
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So tell me this, how is it that "you are not intersted in telling people what to believe;"
Isn't that what a prophet is suppose to do ... pass on what God tells you to tell others?
I took a quick look at your profile, and it seems you're more than just a prophet; that is, you're an Apostle as well ...
Biblical Offices: Apostle, Prophet, Teacher, Pastor.
That's quite a slew of biblical offices ... I dont read Paul as saying a single person is intended to be all of these; that is,
they each have their purposes, and qualifications. I've ran into a number of so-called "teachers" that didn't know shit from shinolla; and an ever greater number of "pastors" that didn't have an ounce of empathy ... needed to be tarred and feathered.
I've never met a prophet ... doubt that I have yet ... but I do know one apostle, the only one we have need of, and that's Paul.
So, I'm sure you're not an apostle ... shall we warm up the tar, and break out the pillow feathers?
Prophets are their own ministry. That solves everything. The limit of prophetic ministry is by two or three prophets a service by turn and has nothing to do with taking pastors job or telling him how to do things. Essentially they are visiting the pastors ministry. That said a prophets ministry is just as important as the pastors. The prophet is not in the governments (organizations) ministry like pastors, he is a ministry. The usefulness of prophecy in encouragement is so great that it is the "especially" gift to seek the spiritual. For example there is no eternal security but if God promised through prophecy you would never fall away, then you would essentially have that security.
That would depend if you knew what a prophet actually is. It is God Who calls and equips, not man...those would be false prophets. So since it is God Who calls and equips, if we know that is what we are, there is no point in boasting because we know that we were nothing of the sort before God did it, so we give Him ALL the glory.
You think Elijah went around apologizing for who he was, and trying not to be noticed? Think on.
You think Elijah went around apologizing for who he was, and trying not to be noticed? Think on.
These would be TV prophets and you shouldn't watch that garbage because it will corrupt you.
Prophets make up a goodly proportion of the body of Christ, the others being teachers, evangelists, apostles and pastors. Everyone in the body is somewhere on that map and no one to be despised: however the roles and ministries do overlap. You can't put God in a box!
The problem for you is to see who the body of Christ is, as opposed to who SAY they are.
Prophets make up a goodly proportion of the body of Christ, the others being teachers, evangelists, apostles and pastors. Everyone in the body is somewhere on that map and no one to be despised: however the roles and ministries do overlap. You can't put God in a box!
The problem for you is to see who the body of Christ is, as opposed to who SAY they are.
No prophets deliver a message. They are not there to convince people what to believe. Jesus never went around convincing people. He delivered the message and those who had ears to hear received it.
(1Cor 9:2 [AKJV])
If I be not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of my apostleship are you in the Lord.
Paul was not an Apostle to everyone and certainly not to you since you are not following what he teaches.
You followers of the "god of ink" always find a way to deny the very bible you worship.
(Ps 105:15 [AKJV])
... Touch not my anointed, and do my prophets no harm.
And those who have tried to harm me have paid a price.
(1Cor 9:2 [AKJV])
If I be not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of my apostleship are you in the Lord.
Paul was not an Apostle to everyone and certainly not to you since you are not following what he teaches.
You followers of the "god of ink" always find a way to deny the very bible you worship.
(Ps 105:15 [AKJV])
... Touch not my anointed, and do my prophets no harm.
And those who have tried to harm me have paid a price.
I don't usually announce my office publicly. I have done so here, because we are making a point for conversation and learning purposes.
Almost all the prophets were hated and murdered by those who held to the letter [worshipers of the bible\Torah] and not the spirit. And it is the same today. When Jesus returns many in the church will fight against Him.
Almost all the prophets were hated and murdered by those who held to the letter [worshipers of the bible\Torah] and not the spirit. And it is the same today. When Jesus returns many in the church will fight against Him.
the greatest prophet is that one who said 'i must decrease, and He must increase"
who denied that he was 'that prophet' when questioned, even though Christ later said that if we would accept it, he is.
he claimed no title for himself except 'a voice crying in the wilderness'
isn't that what's written in the book?
who denied that he was 'that prophet' when questioned, even though Christ later said that if we would accept it, he is.
he claimed no title for himself except 'a voice crying in the wilderness'
isn't that what's written in the book?
the prophets, those through whom God spoke before Christ and his apostles, were killed by the lawless, who rejected the law.
did Jezebel & Ahab hold to the letter? but what does Isaiah say? that they killed the Lord's prophets.
and what is the law of Christ? that we should love one another? is this the letter that the Inquisition held to?
but you have me on "ignore" because i didn't fall at your feet when you said 'i speak for God'
tell me, do you ignore everyone who doesn't praise you because of the letter, or because of a spirit?
did Jezebel & Ahab hold to the letter? but what does Isaiah say? that they killed the Lord's prophets.
and what is the law of Christ? that we should love one another? is this the letter that the Inquisition held to?
but you have me on "ignore" because i didn't fall at your feet when you said 'i speak for God'
tell me, do you ignore everyone who doesn't praise you because of the letter, or because of a spirit?
but you do; in every thread with the word 'prophet' in the title you pounce on the opportunity to aggrandize yourself.
even though the office of prophet is passed away with the advent of Christ.
even though the office of prophet is passed away with the advent of Christ.
In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.
(Hebrews 1:1-2)
(Hebrews 1:1-2)
You know sometimes we are called to be more than one thing. Me for instance I have told God many times that I am a wonder card for him, I will be whatever he desires me to be and will do whatever he needs me to do I am not a single thing if he so desires then I can be a prophet I can be a teacher I can be a servant I can be a care giver I can be a healer I can be an apostle ect. I am clay in his hands I have no specific form no specific role I simply bend to his will and his desire, the bible never said that there wouldn't be any more apostles after the twelve did it? so how can you be sure that someone isn't an apostle?