Jesus said if we are not born again we will not enter the Kingdom of God. The modern day grace gospel is a lie and false. Born again by water and spirit means accepting Jesus and being baptised which is works and a change of a new spirit which comes by receiving the Holy Spirit. If you truly have been blessed to receive the Holy Spirit your life will change and your level of sin and lawlessness will diminish. The Holy Spirit is the greatest gift you will ever receive in your life. We are to follow Christs example how he lived, this involves a complete change of your life and it will be painful for you. The Holy Spirit will not decend upon you unless you repent of your sins take your cross and follow Jesus. Do not kid yourself about the false gospel of Grace where all you need to do is believe. Jesus Christ was clear. At the end of time believers,ministers,miracle workers who did not clothe and feed and comfort the needy sick imprisned and poor will burn in hell with the angels of satan. Grace of God is only imparted to His children who follow Jesus way of living, it is not given simply to believers as even the demons believe
Are You Born Again If Not Hell Awaits You
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lol.. No one will be "born again" by being baptised in water, Only baptism in the Holy Spirit by Christ (baptized by Christ according to John the Baptist) will one be born again of the spirit.
Water baptism will just get you wet. adding it to the gospel is just another works based, self earned gospel which will save no one.
Water baptism will just get you wet. adding it to the gospel is just another works based, self earned gospel which will save no one.
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is "not by works which we have done, but by his mercy he saved us by the washing and renewal (rebirth) of the HS" to hard for you to understand? why do you want to add a work?
1. John the Baptist said Jesus would baptize with the HS
2. Jesus told us we would be baptised by the spirit
3. Peter witnessed it
4. Paul tells us our spiritual circumcision (cleansing) was done by the hands of God (the HS) through baptism (spiritual not physical)
Jesus warns those who try to replace the work of God with the work of men, he called it blasphemy of the spirit. So why are you trying to replace the work of God with the work of man in physical water?
Acts 2 is the most misinterpreted passage if scripture. the greek does not say what you claim it says.
1. John the Baptist said Jesus would baptize with the HS
2. Jesus told us we would be baptised by the spirit
3. Peter witnessed it
4. Paul tells us our spiritual circumcision (cleansing) was done by the hands of God (the HS) through baptism (spiritual not physical)
Jesus warns those who try to replace the work of God with the work of men, he called it blasphemy of the spirit. So why are you trying to replace the work of God with the work of man in physical water?
Acts 2 is the most misinterpreted passage if scripture. the greek does not say what you claim it says.
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
I believe baptism water symbolizes the body or flesh part (having DIED with CHRIST, and Thus RISE again with HIM).. and the Spirit the spiritual part, both are essential to enter into the kingdom of GOD.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
I believe baptism water symbolizes the body or flesh part (having DIED with CHRIST, and Thus RISE again with HIM).. and the Spirit the spiritual part, both are essential to enter into the kingdom of GOD.
1Jn 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1Jn 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1Jn 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
Why would anyone want to get saved by your definition?
Let's see, get saved,forgiven. sealed, reconciled by the blood of Jesus but then fail to do enough good works (by your definition) and end up getting thrown in hell. What kind of Looney Toon salvation is that?
Rather here are the ones in danger...
I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel—not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
(Gal 1:5-9)
I'd advise you to read all Galatians to get the context instead of preaching a false gospel.
Let's see, get saved,forgiven. sealed, reconciled by the blood of Jesus but then fail to do enough good works (by your definition) and end up getting thrown in hell. What kind of Looney Toon salvation is that?
Rather here are the ones in danger...
I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel—not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
(Gal 1:5-9)
I'd advise you to read all Galatians to get the context instead of preaching a false gospel.
If you do not believe Paul's teachings then you don't believe Peter's...
2Pe 3:15-16
(15) And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,
(16) as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
and if you don't believe Peter neither do you believe the 'red letter' Jesus...
Mat 16:18
(18) And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
2Pe 3:15-16
(15) And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,
(16) as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
and if you don't believe Peter neither do you believe the 'red letter' Jesus...
Mat 16:18
(18) And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.