Armstrongism - British Israelism

zone · Jan 17, 2013

Armstrongism

British-Israelism
Armstrong was a proponent of British Israelism, (also known as 'Anglo-Israelism') which is the doctrine that people of Western European descent, especially the British Empire (Ephraim) and the United States (Manasseh), are descended from the 'Ten Lost Tribes' of Israel.[5] (The United States and Britain in Prophecy). It is also asserted that the German peoples are descended from ancient Assyrians. Armstrong believed that this doctrine provided a 'key' to understanding biblical prophecy, and that he was specially called by God to proclaim these prophecies to the 'lost tribes' of Israel before the coming of the 'end-times'.[6] Grace Communion International, the lineal successor to Armstrong's original church, no longer teaches the doctrine,[7] but many offshoot churches continue to teach it even though critics assert that British Israelism is inconsistent with the findings of modern genetics.

Armstrongism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click

"people of Western European descent, especially the British Empire (Ephraim) and the United States (Manasseh), are descended from the 'Ten Lost Tribes' of Israel."

true or false?

[this thread is open to derailment....go for it]

coming soon: Armstrongism and the Curse of Ham

zone · Jan 17, 2013

British Israelism (also called Anglo-Israelism) is a doctrine based on the hypothesis that people of Western European descent, particularly those in Great Britain, are the direct lineal descendants of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel. The doctrine often includes the tenet that the British Royal Family is directly descended from the line of King David.

The central tenets of British Israelism have been refuted by evidence from modern genetic, linguistic, archaeological and philological research. The doctrine continues, however, to have a significant number of adherents.

The movement has never had a head organisation or a centralized structure. Various British Israelite organisations were set up across the British Commonwealth and in America from the 1870s; a small number of such organisations are active today.

British Israelism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click

BLACKS
"Because I mention the black man in his role as the serpent in the Garden, whereby he has been used to deceive the women and has been the source of the 1920 curse of jazz and its music products, its seems paramount that we examine this issue of blacks from Africa.

First and foremost, the purpose of this writing is to reveal truth concerning the ways and works of Yahweh, and more specifically to reveal His government and the pattern of the corruption of the kingdom that was first set forth in the original Garden of God. Yahweh uses nations and peoples to carry out His prophetic and intercessoral purposes consistent with these governmental patterns. He performs kingdom works and testimonies at the nations level that men do not even notice or understand. Many of these works are performed over several generations, and thus totally escape the notice of any given generation. And by effecting these works, He is working out His salvation to all men, for in participating in these roles, one becomes a recipient of that participation, and in the end it works for their good.

The mysteries of Yahweh go far beyond our finite minds and state of blindness. When the marvels of His wonders and glory are revealed some day, all men will fall on their faces in overwhelming awe. But until then, men have absolutely no idea as to what He is doing at the nations level, and react purely as blind men and naïve skeptics. As has been pointed out before, Germany was used of Yahweh to represent the two-blow death of Christianity, thus they went through two world wars that they created. Any man or woman involved in that conflict paid a price for that manifestation at the nations level, but it was an intercession and a price paid for the kingdom of God. This is equally true with the Twin Towers."

http://www.remnantbride.com/pdffiles/Garden_of_God.pdf < click

"Look at the families who came to Ellis Island, and more particularly to the earlier Castle Garden, and you will not find pleasure-seeking men and women, but the strained faces of people who were displaced by very ill and trying circumstances, who of necessity risked the uncertainty of an entirely new beginning for the hope of a better place. While the black man was indeed forcibly taken to America in its beginning as a slave, in truth most people who came to America came here forcibly in one way or another. But the fact is, Yahweh was creating His Garden of Eden at the nations level, and this required the presence of all the necessary parts and elements.

...Europeans are by-in-large the seed of Abraham, or the sons of Israel. There is much historical and Biblical evidence that supports this. Places such as Denmark bear Hebrew origins, and is actually Dan-mark, the tribe of Dan. The Iberian Peninsula of Spain and Portugal actually comes from the word Heber or Hebrew, thus the Hebrew Peninsula where the Hebrews settled. Some have noted that Caucasians received their name when the sons of Israel, who had been taken into captivity by Assyria, left that country in droves, crossed the Caucus Mountains, and rapidly populated Europe. Many books have been written on the populating of Europe by the sons of Israel..."

http://www.remnantbride.com/pdffiles/Garden_of_God.pdf < click

"This corrupt and cursed mixed flesh man/Spirit man period must end, and Yahweh bring forth Spirit men, effecting a work entirely unique from what He has done thus far."

"THE LATTER RAIN AND 2002! - This is a series of sixteen writings that were posted as a special ongoing report from January through May of 2002, specifically leading up to Passover. This includes a very important analysis of events that have taken place beginning in 1948 when the nation of Israel was established and the Latter Rain Movement began. We find that in this time Yahweh is fulfilling what can best be called - the test of Carmel!"

The Remnant Bride
Gary Naler

coming soon: Manifest Sons of God and Latter Rain - Anglo-Israelism Dominionist heresies.

zone · Jan 17, 2013

Debunking British Israelism, the Pet Doctrine of Armstrongism

Abraham's Children: Race, Identity, and the DNA of the Chosen People

I am certain the Lost Tribes of Israel are alive and well. I know, for example, the the exiled tribe of Dan sojourned across Europe and named many rivers, towns, and countries during it's travels, such as the Danube River, Donegal, and Denmark. The tribe of Ephraim settled in Britain; the word "British" is of course derived from the ancient Hebrew word beriyth, which means "{covenant." The Israelites, "Issac's sons," naturally became known as Saxons. And Queen Elizabeth and her linage are direct descendants of King David and the legitimate heirs to the Israelite throne. It's all clear.

How do I know this? Because the Worldwide Church of God tells me so, or at least it used to. That's the Pasadena, California sect founded by an ex-advertising agent, Herbert W. Armstrong, in the early 1930's.

Armstrong was a devout believer in what is called British Israelism or Anglo-Israelism, a movement originating centuries ago and still alive today that maintains that most Britons are descendants of ancient Israelites. Armstrong got his start in 1931, when he launched the hit program The World Today on the Radio Church of God. His message mixed elements of Judaism with a dash of Seventh-day Adventism and a sprinkling of pagan mysticism. He cooked up quite a stew. He preached that the Bible was a "coded message not allowed to be revealed"-that is, until he cracked the secrets. He was willing to share its hidden wisdom with anyone and everyone, particularly those who would cough up 25 percent or more of their income to help spread the "the word." When Armstrong died in 1986, the WWCG claimed more than 150,000 members and an annual budget of $130 million. His successors ultimately abandoned Anglo-Israelism for an evangelical Protestantism,, although numerous Armstrong family members and friends founded sects that preserve some of the zanier claims of the elder sage.

The search for the missing Lost Tribes ranks right up there in biblical mythology with the quest for the Ark of the Covenant and the Holy Grail. The mystery of their whereabouts has encouraged a motley crew of true believers, mystics, zealots, troubadours, and out-and-out fakers. It is so alluring and central to questions of Western identity than an equally unusual assortment of truth seekers has more recently joined in the quest: anthropologists and geneticists.

Abraham's Children: Race, Identity, and the DNA of the Chosen People: Jon Entine: 9780446580632: Amazon.com: Books < click

zone · Jan 17, 2013

The Curse of Ham (also called the curse of Canaan) refers to the curse that Ham's father, Noah, placed upon Ham's youngest son, Canaan, after Ham "saw his father's nakedness" because of drunkenness in Noah's tent. It is related in the Book of Genesis 9:20-27.

The "curse of Ham" had been used by some members of Abrahamic religions to justify racism and the enslavement of people of African ancestry, who were believed to be descendants of Ham. They were often called Hamites and were believed to have descended through Canaan or his older brothers. This racist theory was widely held during the eighteenth to twentieth centuries, but it has been largely abandoned since the mid-twentieth century by even the most conservative theologians.

Pre-modern European interpretations
In the Middle Ages, European scholars of the Bible picked up on the Jewish Talmud idea of viewing the "sons of Ham" or Hamites as cursed, possibly "blackened" by their sins. Though early arguments to this effect were sporadic, they became increasingly common during the slave trade of the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries.[6] The justification of slavery itself through the sins of Ham was well suited to the ideological interests of the elite; with the emergence of the slave trade, its racialized version justified the exploitation of a ready supply of African labour. This interpretation of Scripture was never adopted by the African Coptic Churches.

The curse of Ham in the Latter-day Saint Movement (Mormon)
The first recorded indication of Joseph Smith's adoption of the doctrine of the curse of Ham is found in a parenthetical reference as early as 1831.[7]

After the death of Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, the church's second president, taught that people of African ancestry were under the curse of Ham. Young also taught that the day would come when the curse would be nullified through the saving powers of Jesus Christ.[8]

In addition, based on his interpretation of the Book of Abraham, Young also believed that as a result of this curse, modern people of African descent were banned from receiving the Priesthood (although they were allowed to join the Church). Young believed the curse remained in people with even a single black ancestor.

However, every President of the Church from Joseph Smith Jr. to Spencer W. Kimball stated that the day would come when the Priesthood would be available to all men. In 1978, after much prayer and fasting on the matter, President Spencer W. Kimball of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints received a revelation which officially extended the Priesthood to all worthy males.

Curse of Ham - New World Encyclopedia < click

zone · Jan 17, 2013

May 26, 2010 | 1:46 am
Are Mormons Zionists?

Posted by Mark Paredes

Israel is central to Judaism in a way that makes the two inseparable. Sooner or later, Jews will ask their non-Jewish friends what they think about Israel. Regardless of how much you love and appreciate Jewish culture, values, food, delis, music, or liturgy, Jews do not fully understand how you feel about them and their faith until they know how you feel about the Jewish state. Avoiding the question is like answering an expectant son who wants to know what you think of his new fiancée by telling him that she has nice hair, dresses well, has a lovely voice, etc. Until he knows what you think of her as a person, he can’t know how you really feel about her.

Mormons should certainly welcome this question. The modern incarnation of our Church has been on the earth for 180 years; no other church that has been around at least that long has a comparable record of continuous support for the Jewish people. Indeed, Israel is the only country in the world whose creation was officially supported by the LDS Church. From its earliest days, the Church has called on Jews to gather to Palestine and form a state.

The first edition of the first Church newspaper announced that it “comes to bring good tidings of great joy to all people, but more especially to the House of Israel scattered abroad, for the Lord hath set His hand again the second time to restore them to the lands of their inheritance.” In response to an article entitled “What Do Mormons Believe?” written by a newspaper editor, an 1834 article in a Church newspaper stated: “We believe that God has set His hand to recover the remnant of His people, Israel; and that the time is near when He will bring them from the four winds and reinstate them upon their own lands which He gave their fathers by covenant.”

Orson Hyde, a prominent early apostle, traveled to Europe in 1841 to warn European Jewish leaders to flee to Palestine in order to escape an inevitable catastrophe (unfortunately, they ignored his warnings). He then went to Palestine, which he dedicated for the gathering of the Jews.

In his dedicatory prayer (the first of at least 11 recorded apostolic blessings given in the Holy Land), Elder Hyde made the following request of God for the scattered children of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: “Let the land become abundantly fruitful when possessed by its rightful heirs.” At the dedication of our first temple in 1836, the President of the Church asked that “the children of Judah may begin to return to the lands which thou didst give to Abraham, their father.” Following the establishment of Israel, the Church purchased thousands of dollars of Israel bonds. Church President David O.McKay clarified that the purchase was made “to show our sympathy with the effort being made to establish the Jews in their homeland.”

http://www.jewishjournal.com/jews_and_mormons/item/are_mormons_zionists_39100526 < click

"Mr. Romney has suggested that he would not make any significant policy decisions about Israel without consulting Mr. Netanyahu — a level of deference that could raise eyebrows given Mr. Netanyahu’s polarizing reputation, even as it appeals to the neoconservatives and evangelical Christians who are fiercely protective of Israel.

In a telling exchange during a debate in December, Mr. Romney criticized Mr. Gingrich for making a disparaging remark about Palestinians, declaring: “Before I made a statement of that nature, I’d get on the phone to my friend Bibi Netanyahu and say: ‘Would it help if I say this? What would you like me to do?’ “"

Vhttp://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/08/us/politics/mitt-romney-and-benjamin-netanyahu-are-old-friends.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 < click

zone · Jan 17, 2013

zone said:

Israel Distinct From Judah

"Unless we see the distinction between the "House of Israel" and the "House of Judah" from the time of the division till the final and glorious reunion of the Two Houses, which will take place at the end of the "latter days," the prophecies concerning Israel cannot be understood. From the time of the division into two kingdoms until now, Judah and Israel have remained absolutely distinct. They were carried into captivity separately, at different times and by different nations, because Israel was taken into captivity by the Assyrians, 721 B.C. (II Kings 17:6); while Judah was carried into captivity 133 years later by the Babylonians 588 B.C. (II Kings 25:21). A portion of Judah returned after 70 years, as had been predicted (Ezra 2:1), but Israel never returned, nor was there any prediction that she would return until the final, glorious, restoration in the near future. All the prophecies were written after the division of the tribes into two nations; and these prophecies give the whole future of Israel as entirely distinct from Judah.

The great Jewish historian Josephus, writing from Rome in the year 70 A.D. which was nearly 800 years after Israel was taken into captivity by the Assyrians says: "The entire body of the 10 Tribes are still beyond the Euphrates, an immense multitude not to be estimated by number." It is estimated that there were 50 million in Israel at the time of the division, and this was 800 years later.

Rev. Canon Faucett M.A. says in his "Critical and Expository Bible Encyclopedia" The idea that the House of Israel has been amalgamated and incorporated with the "Jews," is one of the most amazing errors in Biblical History.

The prophets write of Israel and Judah still being separate people in "the latter days," or the days of the Gospel dispensation. In the 37th chapter of Ezekiel is a prophecy yet to be fulfilled. God promising to unite the stick of Joseph, representing the House of Israel with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick in His hand. This and many other Scriptures require that Israel and Judah be kept separate until this union which has not yet taken place...."

The House of Israel and The House of Judah - Truth in History < click

but Israel never returned, nor was there any prediction that she would return until the final, glorious, restoration in the near future.

^ TRUE OR FALSE ^ ?

zone · Jan 17, 2013

"All that is necessary that British Israel succeed is that people believe that God's kingdom is to come in the form of a political theocracy upon the earth. It is not essential that one be a Jehovah's Witness or a Southern Baptist or a member of any church -- only that he believe that the kingdom will come upon the earth. In this they are all united. They may despise each other but they are unified in their hope for the earthly kingdom of "righteousness."

What British Israel divides physically it unites spiritually through the kingdom message. Some of the most ardent advocates of the kingdom of God on earth call themselves "fundamental Christians. In this they have emphasized their name to hide their identity; nevertheless they are identified in their belief of the millennial kingdom on earth, and they are brother Pharisees to all other cults of this deception. Through the apparent maze of churches in the land the consistency of the kingdom message overshadows the inconsistency of the multiple doctrines and creeds. This unity in belief of the kingdom on earth is the work of British Israel and its world evangelism. As innocent as it sounds this kingdom belief is the tie that binds and blinds them.

As people become dissatisfied with their particular brand of Christianity they break away and form new churches and carry their Scofield Bibles with them. They change their location and perhaps the name of their church but they retain their beliefs in the kingdom of God on earth to come. Families are divided, politicians are divided, nations are divided and the world is divided but all are united in the spirit of British Israel and its coming kingdom. It is amazing how British Israel causes dissension and confusion and yet causes men to strive together in spiritual blindness."

Union Jack
Chapter 4

zone · Jan 17, 2013

"It [pre‑millennialism] is a JEWISH DOCTRINE. The principles adopted by its advocates in the interpretation of prophecy, are the same as those adopted by the Jews at the time of Christ; and they have led substantially to the same conclusions. The Jews expected that when the Messiah came He would establish a glorious earthly kingdom at Jerusalem; that those who had died in the faith should be raised from the dead to share in the blessings of the Messiah's reign; that all nations and peoples on the face of the whole earth should be subject to them (Here one can clearly see the interjection of both truth and false doctrine, which the way with all Jewish false doctrines. A small portion of truth mixed with much falsehood, which causes many to believe in the false preaching. Thus changing Christ's teachings into falsehoods); and that any nation that did not save them should be destroyed. All the riches and honors of the world were to be at their disposal. The event disappointed these expectations; and the principles of prophetic interpretation on which those expectations were founded were proved to be incorrect."

Charles Hodge, D.D., Systematic Theology, Vol. 3, p. 862

how hard is this to figure out?
seriously?

eternally-gratefull · Jan 17, 2013

zone said:

Armstrongism

British-Israelism
Armstrong was a proponent of British Israelism, (also known as 'Anglo-Israelism') which is the doctrine that people of Western European descent, especially the British Empire (Ephraim) and the United States (Manasseh), are descended from the 'Ten Lost Tribes' of Israel.[5] (The United States and Britain in Prophecy). It is also asserted that the German peoples are descended from ancient Assyrians. Armstrong believed that this doctrine provided a 'key' to understanding biblical prophecy, and that he was specially called by God to proclaim these prophecies to the 'lost tribes' of Israel before the coming of the 'end-times'.[6] Grace Communion International, the lineal successor to Armstrong's original church, no longer teaches the doctrine,[7] but many offshoot churches continue to teach it even though critics assert that British Israelism is inconsistent with the findings of modern genetics.

Armstrongism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click

"people of Western European descent, especially the British Empire (Ephraim) and the United States (Manasseh), are descended from the 'Ten Lost Tribes' of Israel."

true or false?

[this thread is open to derailment....go for it]

coming soon: Armstrongism and the Curse of Ham

False.. Where do you come up with this stuff??..lol

zone · Jan 17, 2013

eternally-gratefull said:

no kidding.
i didn't come up with it.
it's krazy stuff.
but that's what we have when we don't believe this:

John 18:36
Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.”

sigh

eternally-gratefull · Jan 17, 2013

zone said:

I disagree Zone, that is not what we get if we do not look at that.

that is what we get when we want to replace Israel as the chosen nation. Which is where that comes from!

I grew up being taught that the US was the new "client" nation of God, that she had taken over from the other client nations, which erred in the way of Israel since 70 Ad. I was told we fall under the same laws and rules of Lev 26. That as long as we obey God, He will bless us, if we do not, he will curse us. They went as far as to say the reason when we went to Iran to try to free the hostages, when one of our helicopters went down, we ran with our tail between our legs was because we were falling away from God, And as it says in Lev 26, one of the punishments were that we would run from our enemy, when no one is even chasing us.

A convincing argument I might add, It sure had me fooled. Until i started studying on my own, and seeing this is not true.

the types of beliefs you keep bringing up come from the belief We have replaced Israel, it is replacement theology twisted in a different way than your type of replacement theology. Everyone seems to have a view as to how the church, or nations, or people have replaced Israel in the promises made to them. What your showing us is just one of those views. And yes, IT IS WRONG AND EVIL

zone · Jan 17, 2013

eternally-gratefull said:

I disagree Zone, that is not what we get if we do not look at that.

that is what we get when we want to replace Israel as the chosen nation. Which is where that comes from!

I grew up being taught that the US was the new "client" nation of God, that she had taken over from the other client nations, which erred in the way of Israel since 70 Ad. I was told we fall under the same laws and rules of Lev 26. That as long as we obey God, He will bless us, if we do not, he will curse us. They went as far as to say the reason when we went to Iran to try to free the hostages, when one of our helicopters went down, we ran with our tail between our legs was because we were falling away from God, And as it says in Lev 26, one of the punishments were that we would run from our enemy, when no one is even chasing us.

A convincing argument I might add, It sure had me fooled. Until i started studying on my own, and seeing this is not true.

the types of beliefs you keep bringing up come from the belief We have replaced Israel, it is replacement theology twisted in a different way than your type of replacement theology. Everyone seems to have a view as to how the church, or nations, or people have replaced Israel in the promises made to them. What your showing us is just one of those views. And yes, IT IS WRONG AND EVIL

okay EG bud.

what about the claim that Israel (the 10 tribes) is lost?
like...supposedly judah (jews) is home now...but the 10 tribers are not.

is Israel lost?

eternally-gratefull · Jan 17, 2013

zone said:

Nope. God knows exactly where they are. Whether I or anyone else knows where they are does not matter..

zone · Jan 17, 2013

eternally-gratefull said:

Supersessionism, fulfillment theology, and replacement theology are terms for the biblical interpretation that the New Covenant supersedes or replaces the Mosaic Covenant,[1][2] the latter thus also referred to as the Old Covenant. The terms do not appear in the Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church, however, the view they cover is considered part of most traditional Christian views of the Old Covenant, viewing the Christian Church as the inheritor of the promises made with the children of Israel.[3][4] This view contrasts with the minority views of dual-covenant theology on the one side and abrogation of Old Covenant laws on the other.

Supersessionism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click

see, this is a false dichotomy.
there's nothing to replace.
israel who believed wasn't cut off (remnant), and the gentiles who believed were grafted in = CHURCH

it's really simple.
innit?

Jesus either broke down the dividing wall and tore the curtain or He didn't, EG.

eternally-gratefull · Jan 17, 2013

zone said:

lol. Well this is one view. But the view I grew up with. and the view you started this thread on is not based on this type of replacement theology, it comes from a different type.

And how often do I have to tell you sis it is dangerous to get our doctrinal beliefs from Wikipedia??

we must ask ourselves this.

1. Was any natural child of Israel ever saved under the old covenant (law)
2. Were All Natural Children of Abraham Issac and Jacob saved just because they were children of the promise?

if the answer to both questions are no. Then we must realize that the covenant made between God and Abraham, Issac and Jacob had no bearing on th elaw given moses, and had no salvic significance. Thus trying to make it a an issue of mosaic law, and a salvic issue would cause us to be in error in our thinking concerning this national covenant between God and Israel. Which you continue to try to do. and I keep trying to show you it has no bearing in the covenant. because it was NEVER a salvic covenant.

zone · Jan 17, 2013

in a nutshell:

Jesus came and fulfilled all the prophecies and secured salvation.
He was sent to Israel.
He came and sought out those who were His.

those who weren't didn't just vanish into thin air.
they took the Oral Traditions (from Babylon) that He condemned, and put pen to paper and created a parallel religion, and called it Torah.

in their religion, the messiah is still to come and will not be divine, etc etc
he'll establish a physical kingdom on earth.

so...that's what all this killing and stuff is for.
setting that up.

and Scofield and the boys helped

part of the parallel religion's requirement is to rid the world of all the idolators - which includes followers of "THAT MAN" < Jesus.

no matter what other party-line you're given, there's no other Torah.
ppl either believe Moses or they don't. and if they don't they follow a parallel religion that looks and sounds like moses but it isn't.

christians had to be duped into believing it is the same (minus Jesus for the time being).
nothing is further from the truth.

end of story.

zone · Jan 17, 2013

"The phenomenon of the wide influence of (The Jewish) Scofield is heightened when one discovers that his teachings were taken almost in toto from John Nelson Darby. Darby was the outstanding leader among the Plymouth Brethren about 1830, and his 'rediscovered truths' differed radically from the cardinal teachings of historic Christianity as held by the church fathers and Reformers."

William E. Cox, An Examination of Dispensationalism, p. 56, 1963

eternally-gratefull · Jan 17, 2013

zone said:

Amen, yes he did. But the national covenant between God and Isreal had NOTHING to do with salvation, It had to do with an eternal promise God made with Abraham and Isreal. which, since it is eternal in nature, is still valid.

Yep he did. But he was not just sent to Isreal, he was also sent to the gentiles. Which Isreal was supposed to do the same thing, but they were blinded by their man made arrogance, and forgot to do this part. they tried to keep it for themselves. and did not even keep it the right way. God still overruled their pride. By using people Like Jonah to spread his word to the gentiles, Even though Jonah fought him, because in his upbringing, Gentiles were unclean and could never come to god.

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they got it half right. They think they are correct in their gospel. and still think they have the only way to heaven. Which they were wrong in christs day, and are wrong today, Nothing has changed.

As for the kingdom. Even the disciples believed the kingdom would still come, And Jesus did not correct them in their thinking, For why would he? it is still going to come.

and Scofield and the boys helped[/QUOTE]

hey, Two wrongs do not make a right do they? God never told us to kill anyone. So anyone who promotes killing in the name of God should be shown the error of their ways.

Yes, i agree. But that does not mean God will correct this thinking in them also. In fact, it says he will. We should look forward to that. and our eternity, and not spread hate and discontent, and ignore a biblical theology which those two men distorted and got wrong.

What Story? Oh I know. That isreal (even today) is hated, because of things like the torah, and their rejection of Christ. But beloved according to the promises. Because the promises of God are still valid..

zone · Jan 17, 2013

"Upon His return, the King will restore the Davidic monarchy in His own person, regather dispersed Israel, establish His power over all the earth, and reign one thousand years.

"The dispensation of the kingdom begins with the return of Christ to the earth, runs through the 'thousand years' of His earth‑rule, and ends when he has delivered up the kingdom to the Father...

"The gospel of the kingdom. This is the good news that God purposes to set up on the earth, in fulfillment of the Davidic covenant, a kingdom, political, spiritual, Israelitish (i.e. Jewish), universal, over which God's son, David's heir, shall be king, and which shall be for one thousand years, the manifestation of the righteousness of God in human affairs...

"Two resurrections are yet future, which are inclusive of 'all that are in the graves.' These are distinguished as 'of life' and 'of judgment.' They are separated by a period of one thousand years."

Scofield Bible, pp. 1227, note 6; 1228, note 4; 1341, note 1; 1343

like....huh?

that's isn't in the Bible AT ALL.

eternally-gratefull · Jan 17, 2013

zone said:

so are we fighting biblical dispensationalsim. or reformed dispensationalsim. Which one is it?

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