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is the following correct?
please document FROM SCRIPTURE where the church is said for 2000 years to have "hobbled about in self-imposed weakness because of Her failure to recognize God's provision for power." and that "the five ministry giftings will preceed the greatest outpouring of the Holy Spirit in Holiness and power that the Church of Jesus Christ has ever known. "
i pose this challenge to anyone...PLEASE DOCUMENT these claims from scripture.
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The Five-Fold Ministry doctrine is derived from Ephesians 4:11 "And He gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some evangelists; and some,
pastors and teachers;"
Just as the "little cloud...like a man's hand" (I Kings 18:44) preceeded the flooding rain, the five ministry giftings will preceed the greatest outpouring of the Holy Spirit in Holiness and power that the Church of Jesus Christ has ever known.
For almost two thousand years the Church has hobbled about in self-imposed weakness because of Her failure to recognize God's provision for power.
The same preachers who warn us: "Never pray for patience" for "tribulation worketh patience" (Romans 5:3) admonish us to pray and fast for maturity and unity, when our Father's provision is already revealed in Ephesians 4:11-15. Perhaps their blindness to the truth is motivated by an improper understanding of the ministry gifts. Perhaps they feel that the recognition of these gifts would impose some sort of clerical heirarchy upon the Church. Quite the opposite is true. The function of the ministry gifts and their benefits are like salvation: our Heavenly Father doesn't force salvation on us, our acceptance of Christ as our Savior and all the ensuing benefits is voluntary. The same with the ministry gifts
please document FROM SCRIPTURE where the church is said for 2000 years to have "hobbled about in self-imposed weakness because of Her failure to recognize God's provision for power." and that "the five ministry giftings will preceed the greatest outpouring of the Holy Spirit in Holiness and power that the Church of Jesus Christ has ever known. "
i pose this challenge to anyone...PLEASE DOCUMENT these claims from scripture.
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The Five-Fold Ministry doctrine is derived from Ephesians 4:11 "And He gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some evangelists; and some,
pastors and teachers;"
Just as the "little cloud...like a man's hand" (I Kings 18:44) preceeded the flooding rain, the five ministry giftings will preceed the greatest outpouring of the Holy Spirit in Holiness and power that the Church of Jesus Christ has ever known.
For almost two thousand years the Church has hobbled about in self-imposed weakness because of Her failure to recognize God's provision for power.
The same preachers who warn us: "Never pray for patience" for "tribulation worketh patience" (Romans 5:3) admonish us to pray and fast for maturity and unity, when our Father's provision is already revealed in Ephesians 4:11-15. Perhaps their blindness to the truth is motivated by an improper understanding of the ministry gifts. Perhaps they feel that the recognition of these gifts would impose some sort of clerical heirarchy upon the Church. Quite the opposite is true. The function of the ministry gifts and their benefits are like salvation: our Heavenly Father doesn't force salvation on us, our acceptance of Christ as our Savior and all the ensuing benefits is voluntary. The same with the ministry gifts
not going to respond to my answer to your question?
here's a new thread to discuss it.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/31788-five-fold-ministry.html
here's a new thread to discuss it.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/31788-five-fold-ministry.html
Zone is a liar, and a false accuser...who does that sound like? However I do believe in the 5 fold ministry and I believe it will be in effect until the church comes into unity of faith, unto the full stature of Christ. Why do I believe this? Because it is was the bible says 
P.S. ...Zone thanks for making a thread of your own about this subject.
P.S. ...Zone thanks for making a thread of your own about this subject.
Zone is a liar, and a false accuser...who does that sound like? However I do believe in the 5 fold ministry and I believe it will be in effect until the church comes into unity of faith, unto the full stature of Christ. Why do I believe this? Because it is was the bible says
P.S. ...Zone thanks for making a thread of your own about this subject.
P.S. ...Zone thanks for making a thread of your own about this subject.
Zone is a liar, and a false accuser...who does that sound like? However I do believe in the 5 fold ministry and I believe it will be in effect until the church comes into unity of faith, unto the full stature of Christ. Why do I believe this? Because it is was the bible says
P.S. ...Zone thanks for making a thread of your own about this subject.
P.S. ...Zone thanks for making a thread of your own about this subject.
and you're proven false on it, like so many others.
have a wonderful day "4runner"
thanks for blessing me with your evil words.
again.