Astrology in the Bible?

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RachelBibleStudent said:
the original hebrew text does not call these star patterns 'the pleiades' or 'orion' or whatever...those words are used by english translators for the sake of english readers who are most accustomed to the greek names of these constellations...names the hebrew text of the bible does not actually use or endorse...
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Is the "...or whatever" part the Septuagint you're referring to?
The Greek copied a lot of their culture from the Phoenician/Aramaic/Hebrew languages.
This is how the Hebrew Aleph became Alpha in Greek. Beyt became Beta, Gimmel became Gamma, etc
Will you tell us where to find these stars in the sky? I can explain where/how to find the Pleiades/Orion, and Arcturus, if you would like.

RachelBibleStudent said:
also i should point out that -many- cultures had a set of 'zodiac' constellations...so a reference to the zodiac in scripture does not imply an endorsement of the pagan greek zodiac of leo and virgo and so on...
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The Bible is absolute replete with astrological references from cover to cover. This subject is so vast and foreign to most Christians that I have to spend a lot of time thoroughly building a foundation. That's why I made this thread, to share and explain. Does the Bible actually say the "signs" created in Gen 1:14 are Pagan? If the signs are not those found in the Zodiac, could you please tell me where I can find the correct ones?

RachelBibleStudent said:
finally i need to add that bullinger actually got most of his information from an earlier work by frances rolleston...an amateur 'scholar' who basically didn't know what she was talking about...
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Can you qualify your statement by explaining why the information is wrong? Statements like "basically didn't know" on such an important topic like this is a hollow dismissal.

Please please please differentiate the meanings of "Astrology" versus "horoscopes" and all that divining/fortune-telling stuff - This thread is not about that stuff. Astrology in this thread has to do with how the ancients interpreted God's handywork in the heavens.

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4enlightment said:
Matthew 16:3and in the morning, ‘Today it will be stormy, for the sky is red and overcast.’ You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times.

Jesus was telling them that they knew how to discerned the messages in the sky for the things that they had desired to know, but they didn't look for the message of His coming. They didn't even had known that it was judgement day and that he was coming to spared their lives.
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Luke21:25,31 - Which is why I think Jesus tells us the "kingdom of God is nigh at hand." (v. 31) after we observe "there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars..." (v. 25)
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Tintin said:
Back in ancient times, astrology and astronomy were two parts of the same whole. Now, they're distinguishable. One is seen as scientific fact, the other as spiritual superstition/an occult practice.
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Great observation! Astronomy is the scientific portion of observing the sky, and astrology has historically been associated with superstitious beliefs about the positions of planets/stars. I don't lend any credit to any of that fortune-telling/divining/horoscope stuff - none of that interests me. I am, however, very interested in how ancients perceived the celestial phenomena in the sky because of the impact their interpretations has had on cultures for thousands of years. Many of our words we use in everyday language recall back to ancient precepts. For example, when you ask someone to "consider" something, you are asking them to con - "count,examine" sidus - "stars"

This is why we have: Do-Si-La-So-Fa-Mi-Re-Do as a symbolic representation of creation.
They go in this order from largest to smallest with the LORD as the Alpha and Omega in the octave:
Do-minus LORD
Si-dus Stars
La-ctea Milky Way
So-l Sun
Fa-ta Planets
Mi-cro Earth
Re-gina Moon
Do-minus LORD

(all the latter stuff is obviously non-biblical, but I thought it might still be appreciated. )

Let us not get off track.
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jerusalem said:
THIS IS A VERY SPECIFIC REFUTATION OF ANY AND ALL AUTHORITY THAT WAS CLAIMED BY THE ANCIENT SUN DIETIES. IF JESUS IS THE SUN OF RIGHTEOUSNESS THEN THE SO=CALLED SUN DIETY MUST BE THE SUN OF UNRIGHTEOUSNESS. IT ALWAYS AMAZES ME WHEN I HEAR PEOPLE CLAIM THAT THE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS ADOPTED THE NAMES AND IDEOLOGIES OF THE OLDER RELIGIONS. THE FIRST RELIGION WAS INSTITUTED BY GOD HIMSELF WHEN HE PERSONALLY TAUGHT ADAM AND THEN EVE IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN. THAT RELIGION DID CORRUPT ITSELF WITH LATER RELIGIONS BUT CERTAINLY NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND
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Thank You for your participation, but I am honestly not sure who/what you're referring to. Are you quoting somebody in this thread?
 
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Ariel82 said:
so rachel what does the Hebrew call these star patterns?
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in the hebrew the pleiades are called 'kimah'...meaning a cluster of jewels...
orion is called 'kesil'...literally meaning something like 'fat fool'...
arcturus is 'ayish'...from a root meaning 'to hasten'...this word might actually refer to ursa major instead of arcturus though...

the identification of 'mazzaroth' with the zodiac is also uncertain...the derivation of the word has to do with being 'set apart' or 'distinct'...this could just refer to the constellations in general...or the discrete 'houses' of the zodiac in ancient astrology...

in any case the hebrew names of the star patterns do not seem to correspond in any way to the greek names...which makes sense since the greek names are derived from pagan mythology...
 
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that's cool.

would you mind sharing your sources?
 
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Ariel82 said:
that's cool.

would you mind sharing your sources?
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you can look them up in strong's concordance...i didn't refer to the brown-driver-briggs hebrew lexicon but it probably says something similar...
 
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