babies and unborn babies

[vanillakay]

ok well....here is another silly question mybe., call it the result of lying awake till five am...lol. So I was wondering do babys age in heaven when they die or remain same age for eternity? I was wondering because I had an older cousin who died when he was two and obvously he went to heaven and just was wondering that when and if i make it into heaven some day will be still be thesame age? because it would be odd for my older cousin to be younger than me. also I had a younger brother die before he turned one years ago, would be too still be same age? I have no idea if anyone ages in heaven or fi it's different for adults and children. Here is my question about unborn babys. My mom got pregnant before she had me, it was a boy and she miscarried at around 4 months. im sure his soul went to heaven, but since no one knew what he looked like..would i recognize him when i ever meet him up there some day and would he age or stay a child? im not sure the Bible tells us but id appreciate anything anyone can give me. Guess its because i realized im really excited to meet them along with many other people

 

[john832]

ok well....here is another silly question mybe., call it the result of lying awake till five am...lol. So I was wondering do babys age in heaven when they die or remain same age for eternity? I was wondering because I had an older cousin who died when he was two and obvously he went to heaven and just was wondering that when and if i make it into heaven some day will be still be thesame age? because it would be odd for my older cousin to be younger than me. also I had a younger brother die before he turned one years ago, would be too still be same age? I have no idea if anyone ages in heaven or fi it's different for adults and children. Here is my question about unborn babys. My mom got pregnant before she had me, it was a boy and she miscarried at around 4 months. im sure his soul went to heaven, but since no one knew what he looked like..would i recognize him when i ever meet him up there some day and would he age or stay a child? im not sure the Bible tells us but id appreciate anything anyone can give me. Guess its because i realized im really excited to meet them along with many other people

They never go there. They, in fact, go through the 100 year period of the GWTJ and must of their own volition, make the same choice everyone else must make.

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Isa 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

The second resurrection is to give those who never had a chance (to make an adult, informed decision) to have their chance. They have 100 years to choose life or death...

Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
Deu 30:20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.

 

[homwardbound]

God just love you and all. God somehow by God's amazing Mercy will always do what is right. For God himself is the only one good.
God is merciful from day one to Adam and Eve. Seek God's Mercy and receive it, Be what God makes you to be. Trust God in all that have gone before you, in God's Mercy. It will not matter if one has aged or not when we are there as well. Too busy thanking and praising God. Even this is for here now to be too busy praising and thanking God for his Son Christ who by his death has:
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

If we believe this, it states what it states. And any Child not knowing right or wrong. Can anyone be held accountable righteously?
For God is righteous and whatever God does is righteous period. Can you trust that? Please put your heart to rest and hear in the Spirit of God, that God has got it all covered.

 

[nathan3]

Age is something that only happens to the flesh body...

In heaven all are the same age in my opinion. .



Anytime a angel appears in the Bible ,you will find they are young men; But never very young and never very old.

From what i can see in the Bible, if a person dies as a baby, they will be the masculine, and young adult in heaven. In s Spiritual sense, we are the Bride of Christ, and he is the Masculine bridegroom, so maybe we will be female in a sense


You will find one scripture that is like a kind of figure of speech about Christ return, where it shows a little child leading some dangerous animals at Christ return. ( Isaiah 11:6 ) This shows how it will be ( that means it will be Safe )during the Lords day, otherwise known as the thousand years in Rev 20:...

But its important to know the meaning: It just shows it will be that safe.

But we know there is a change in bodies Paul makes clear when Christ returns, no flesh.

If I had to guess at a age, since Christ died at the age of 30 in the body, maybe we will all be 30 there.

 

[nathan3]

his soul went to heaven, but since no one knew what he looked like..would i recognize him when i ever meet him up there some day

There is scripture, that says you will recognize your loved ones, but, there was a scripture where John, who Christ showed revelation to, John could not recognize one of his fellow brothers ( maybe not blood relatives, like immediate family, but just a brother in Christ a fellow servent ) . Just something to think about.


Revelation 22:9
Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

He was one of them, but John fell down to worship him unwittingly when in the presence of some one supernatural .But, he already said, he was one of the prophets, which one ?

I will post that scripture about recognizing loved ones after one passes away, when i can find it.

 

[john832]

Age is something that only happens to the flesh body...

In heaven all are the same age in my opinion. .



Anytime a angel appears in the Bible ,you will find they are young men; But never very young and never very old.

From what i can see in the Bible, if a person dies as a baby, they will be the masculine, and young adult in heaven. In s Spiritual sense, we are the Bride of Christ, and he is the Masculine bridegroom, so maybe we will be female in a sense


You will find one scripture that is like a kind of figure of speech about Christ return, where it shows a little child leading some dangerous animals at Christ return. ( Isaiah 11:6 ) This shows how it will be during the Lords day, otherwise known as the thousand years in Rev 20:...

But its important to know the meaning: It just shows it will be that safe.

But we know there is a change in bodies Paul makes clear when Christ returns, no flesh.

If I had to guess at a age, since Christ died at the age of 30 in the body, maybe we will all be 30 there.

Christ died at the age of 33-1/2. He also said...

Joh 13:33 Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you.

No one goes to heaven. We do not become angels, we become the very sons and daughters of God. Our destiny is, among other things, to judge angels...

1Co 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

 

[nathan3]

Christ died at the age of 33-1/2. He also said...


1...No one goes to heaven. We do not become angels


1..John 13:33 Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you.

I have to disagree with you, because scriptures says different really :


1....Mark 12:25

For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

We are angels. Its plainly written.


2 Now that Judas is gone, Christ is speaking to his disciples who are still alive with tenderness. they would go with Christ after their death that is written.Jesus is speaking to the eleven disciples there.

2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.


Even the man on the cross would God with Christ, Christ said :

Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise............



I Corinthians 6:3 "Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?"


Paul is talking about Ezekiel 44, which will be taking place in the Millennium age. This happens after the seventh trumpet and our Lord Jesus Christ has returned to this earth and set up His Millennium Kingdom. It is the age to come, and God is going to use the priest of the Zadok, which is to say "the priest of the just" to do the judging in that earth age. Paul is talking to you that have the eyes to see and understand the scripture...


Naturally in When Christ returns all change into that spiritual heavenly angelic whatever body ( 1 Cor 15 ; 1 Thess 4: 13 - ). Because Christ says we will be angels in heaven. This is the case, they Elect are simply judging the affairs among fellow brothers , or soon to be if they overcome at the end of the Lords day in Rev 20:.



Revelation 22:9

King James Version (KJV)

9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.


This angel, is a fellow servent, that has passed on, and even one of the Prophets

 

[john832]

I have to disagree with you, because scriptures says different really :


1....Mark 12:25

For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

We are angels. Its plainly written.


2 Now that Judas is gone, Christ is speaking to his disciples who are still alive with tenderness. they would go with Christ after their death that is written.Jesus is speaking to the eleven disciples there.

2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.


Even the man on the cross would God with Christ, Christ said :

Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise............



I Corinthians 6:3 "Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?"


Paul is talking about Ezekiel 44, which will be taking place in the Millennium age. This happens after the seventh trumpet and our Lord Jesus Christ has returned to this earth and set up His Millennium Kingdom. It is the age to come, and God is going to use the priest of the Zadok, which is to say "the priest of the just" to do the judging in that earth age. Paul is talking to you that have the eyes to see and understand the scripture...


Naturally in When Christ returns all change into that spiritual heavenly angelic whatever body ( 1 Cor 15 ; 1 Thess 4: 13 - ). Because Christ says we will be angels in heaven. This is the case, they Elect are simply judging the affairs among fellow brothers , or soon to be if they overcome at the end of the Lords day in Rev 20:.



Revelation 22:9

King James Version (KJV)

9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.


This angel, is a fellow servent, that has passed on, and even one of the Prophets

Believe what you will, it says we are like the angels in that we do not marrry. What did Gdo say He was doing when He created humans...

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

We are in the image of God and at the resurrection will be in the LIKENESS of God, not angels...

1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Notice here we are to be sons of God and that we will be like Christ, not angels.

Peace my friend.

 

[RedTent]

Scripture gives us information about what we need to know in order to live in this world with peace, joy, and contentment, and to live with God in eternity. There are many things about this world we aren't told, and lots of things about the spiritual world that we wouldn't understand even if we were told. In fact, the bible has things it tells us and we just get them mixed up in our heads because we are humans.

The bible tries to explain to us about time, how in the spiritual world time is eternal. I live in a body where time is counted in minutes and years, I simply can't see how time could just be without moving.

The bible talks a lot about faith. That is a matter of just depending on something so solidly that you can think and act on your belief. That is how solid God is, how dependable. When we have to guess at the answers to something, we put in faith instead. What we do know is that God can be depended on with our very life.

 

[mystdancer50]

All children that die during the age of innocence go to Heaven, including aborted and miscarried babies. I never considered the aging thing...interesting. I don't know if they grow up in Heaven or arrive in their new bodies, already matured. That is an interesting thought.

I do know that they will be given the opportunity to choose or reject Christ for themselves, ultimately. I think this happens at the Great White Throne Judgment, but don't quote me on that. One wonders how someone could live in the very presence of Christ and then refuse Him, but a third of the angels did, so it is entirely possible for those babies and children to do so, too.

Anyway, I haven't really studied this so I don't have Biblical backing on my thoughts, but I think I will take some time now to study this, as it has piqued my interest. Good question.

 

[john832]

All children that die during the age of innocence go to Heaven, including aborted and miscarried babies. I never considered the aging thing...interesting. I don't know if they grow up in Heaven or arrive in their new bodies, already matured. That is an interesting thought.

I do know that they will be given the opportunity to choose or reject Christ for themselves, ultimately. I think this happens at the Great White Throne Judgment, but don't quote me on that. One wonders how someone could live in the very presence of Christ and then refuse Him, but a third of the angels did, so it is entirely possible for those babies and children to do so, too.

Anyway, I haven't really studied this so I don't have Biblical backing on my thoughts, but I think I will take some time now to study this, as it has piqued my interest. Good question.

And you have scripture for this?

 

[mystdancer50]

And you have scripture for this?

I said, quite plainly, that I did not. However, I am planning to study this question for myself.

 

[john832]

I said, quite plainly, that I did not. However, I am planning to study this question for myself.

Apologies, my mistake.

 

[mystdancer50]

Apologies, my mistake.

It's okay.

 

[notuptome]

Show me where an infant has the capacity to sin. There is an age of innocence and this would be especially true in the instance of abortion or miscarriage.

I cannot say with authority what our age will be in heaven but I trust the Lord that it will exceed our expectations. Eye hath not seen nor ear heard what the Lord hath prepared for those who love Him and are called by His name.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Grace-Like-Rain]

Show me where an infant has the capacity to sin.

We are born in sin. Our very nature is sinful. All of humanity needs Christ for redemption.

Psalms 58:3 - The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Romans 3:23 - For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Romans 3:10 - As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one

 

[Grace-Like-Rain]

As much as I want to believe in an age of accountability, I have never found any hint of it in scripture.

On the subject of ages in heaven, I've always thought of souls as being ageless. We are hindered by age in our human bodies, but apart from that, our souls are eternal.

 

[thecreationtutor]

no clue - I just believe that God is Just

 

[jb]

They never go there..

Complete and utter rubbish!

Of course they do, as Matt 19v14 makes abundantly clear...

 

[john832]

As much as I want to believe in an age of accountability, I have never found any hint of it in scripture.

On the subject of ages in heaven, I've always thought of souls as being ageless. We are hindered by age in our human bodies, but apart from that, our souls are eternal.

I hate to sound argumentative, but we are souls. A soul is a living creature that breathes for a living...

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

soul:

H5315
נפשׁ
nephesh
neh'-fesh
From H5314; properly a breathing creature, that is, animal or (abstractly) vitality; used very widely in a literal, accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental): - any, appetite, beast, body, breath, creature, X dead (-ly), desire, X [dis-] contented, X fish, ghost, + greedy, he, heart (-y), (hath, X jeopardy of) life (X in jeopardy), lust, man, me, mind, mortality, one, own, person, pleasure, (her-, him-, my-, thy-) self, them (your) -selves, + slay, soul, + tablet, they, thing, (X she) will, X would have it.

Here are some more souls...

Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

The word for life there is nephesh, same as the soul man is.

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

The word for creature is nephesh. Crabs, Lobsters, clams and sea snails are souls.

Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

Yep, nephesh; souls. Skunks, lizards, salamanders and toads are souls.

Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Same word, they are all souls.

Can a soul die?

Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Souls can and do die. The essence of salvation is to be given life, not just the electro-chemical existence, but life...

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Without the gift of God (eternal life through the Holy Spirit) we would simply die and cease to exist for ever and ever.