babies go to heaven or hell?

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Mammachickadee

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Age of Innocence. Age of Innocence. Age of Innocence.
 

ForthAngel

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Deuteronomy 1:39 - Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it.

Matthew 19:14 - But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

I can't remember exactly where, but I was reading Moses' books and I remember that sacrifices for remission of sins weren't required of anyone until they were 20 years old. I wish I could find this again.
 
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Who's image are they made in? Has sin tainted it? Give to God the things that are God's.
 
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jimmydiggs

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Most people like to believe that they all go to heaven, as if it is compulsory. In order to do this fanciful tales are invented such as an age of accountability, and everything done before the undefined age of accountability is somehow null and void.

I just let it be to God. He will get everyone where he wants them to be.
 
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DannyC

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Most people like to believe that they all go to heaven, as if it is compulsory. In order to do this fanciful tales are invented such as an age of accountability, and everything done before the undefined age of accountability is somehow null and void.

I just let it be to God. He will get everyone where he wants them to be.
If all babies go to heaven, then abortion sends babies to heaven, meaning that while abortion may be a sin, it in the end sends people straight to heaven, making the argument for more detailed and ending up with a distorted biblical interpretation and an even more obsecure defence of beliefs in 'age of accountability' and 'they do not know right from wrong'.
 
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djness

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They come up in the second resurrection...

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Are given 100 years and must make the same choice everyone else must make...

Isa 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

For this reason...

Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
You really managed to take verses out of context here. When exactly are these children given 100 years to live? After the resurrection? Where do you get this from other then one verse taken out of context?
 
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djness

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Where did I say that abortion is not also a sin? I didn't you assumed I did to justify your argument, of course abortion can still be a sin and still send babies to heaven. My logic is not faulty, if babies go to heaven, abortions send babies to heaven, then at the least the person who commited the abortion has sinned. If that person has sinned then they must ask forgiveness for their sins and Christ according to the bible will give them eternal salvation. Being a good person does not get you into heaven. So why not ask Christ for forgiveness for your sin of killing a child if you do it with honesty.

You have switched your point, first you state the child may go to heaven, then you say we are accountable. At what point do you challenge the notion aborted babies go to heaven? You didn't, so logically it follows that accepting Christ after commiting the abortion can both send you and the baby to heaven. Would that not be a good act? Sending thousands of babies to heaven and then if you can accepting christ yourself? The worst possibility is you may not be forgiven but the babies are. If you accept Christ after the abortions then you recieve salvation and the babies go to heaven also.
Romans 6:1 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase?
 

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So I talked to my friend, he has a deep evangelical spirit him, and he was discussing his beliefs that babies, if they died, God would judge them according to the life they would have had. Whether he or she grew up to accept the Lord or be a sinner under judgment. I can't find any biblical bases on such a teaching????
It would be possible for God to do such a thing, can't say He won't. However their is no Biblical bases, or even a hint of Him doing this. other than that to say who is going to heaven or hell is contrary to the Word, we are not to say, it is for Him to judge and decide. I do believe babys are of the flesh, and the flesh is sinful, they are born wanting. Otherwise we wouldnt need Jesus, we could just kill them young and they would go to heaven with no need of Jesus. He said their are none worthy no not one. I also believe babys are precious, and a most wonderful gift from God, I was one once.
 
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Cino

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No, babies don't have faith and can't believe and do not have the understanding of right and wrong. Can't you see that? We are all born of sin, but God said to have salvation, you must BELEIVE that Jesus is the son of God. Babies CAN'T believe that. And Jesus was talking about having the innocent "spirit" of a child when he said for such is the kingdom of God. We must be as children, innocent, trusting our God, Forgiving one another. Have you ever seen a child fight with another child? After a few minutes, they are playing together again, because they don't hold the grudges that adults have. I do NOT believe in baptizing babies, sorry that is my faith. I have a right to believe what I believe, as you also have that right. But Jesus himself was NOT baptized as a baby. Jesus was 32 years old. If it was so important to baptize babies, surely the Lord himself would have been that example and have been baptized as a baby. But he was an adult, with the UNDERSTANDING of what he was doing. Babies do not understand. Sorry, I just disagree with you.
 
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Cino

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They don't have an understanding of right or wrong? They are born in sin. Is sin right? Suffer the little children to come onto me and FORBID THEM NOT, what.. did Jesus say that for a joke? Babies don't believe in Jesus? FOR OF SUCH IS THE KINGDOM OF GOD...BELIEVERS. They are given a measure of faith (which is believing) at birth in fact, before that even. The spirit (from God) is willing, but the flesh is weak.

Didn't the Lord say," I will write my laws in their hearts? When did he write that 2 minutes after they died at birth? 3 years down the road? When they were 12, 34, 69? It's very important to baptize a baby and BE NOT ONLY HEARERS, BUT DOERS OF THE WORD.

It's your God given christian responsibility to have them baptized. Cause come judgement day, the Lord will judge you on that. All your works will be judged and all your not works too.

From a child you have known the holy scriptures which are able to make the wise unto salvation.
I tried to reply with quote but it didn't go through.... my answer to you is above.
 

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So I talked to my friend, he has a deep evangelical spirit him, and he was discussing his beliefs that babies, if they died, God would judge them according to the life they would have had. Whether he or she grew up to accept the Lord or be a sinner under judgment. I can't find any biblical bases on such a teaching????
!? I am sorry but your friend needs some help with his beliefs. I thought babies were the very embodiment of all that is adorable sweet and innocent?
 
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Kerry

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Umm, hate to throw a wrench in all this. It depends on the parents. Paul talks about. He mentions that if one spouse is saved and the other is not, that the children are protected. So if both parents are not saved then the children are not protected.
 

gzusfrk

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Umm, hate to throw a wrench in all this. It depends on the parents. Paul talks about. He mentions that if one spouse is saved and the other is not, that the children are protected. So if both parents are not saved then the children are not protected.
Yes...sanctified by the Word
 
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Shaurel

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Umm, hate to throw a wrench in all this. It depends on the parents. Paul talks about. He mentions that if one spouse is saved and the other is not, that the children are protected. So if both parents are not saved then the children are not protected.
So you're saying babies go to hell if one parent isn't saved? Oh wait, the baby goes to hell if both aren't saved. Got it. Yeah.
 

Blain

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Umm, hate to throw a wrench in all this. It depends on the parents. Paul talks about. He mentions that if one spouse is saved and the other is not, that the children are protected. So if both parents are not saved then the children are not protected.
I refuse to believe Jesus would allow a baby to go to hell. He was not talking about a baby that's for sure a baby doesn't even have the choice to follow God or the devil heck it can't even control when to poop.
 
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Kerry

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I refuse to believe Jesus would allow a baby to go to hell. He was not talking about a baby that's for sure a baby doesn't even have the choice to follow God or the devil heck it can't even control when to poop.
His parents did. I am just saying what Paul said. Not my words.

1 Corinthians 7

14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
 

Blain

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His parents did. I am just saying what Paul said. Not my words.

1 Corinthians 7

14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
I do not believe Paul is saying what you think he is, how are anyone to know the hearts of a person but the Lord only? Do the parents get to decide if their children go to heaven? Or does the lord search the heart of the person? Also uh this is a baby we are talking about not a person who can choose good or evil
 

phil36

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The basic fact of the matter is that, emotionally we all want to say babies go to heaven yet nowhere in the bible does it explicitly state this.

One fact we do know is that those in Jesus are saved and I am sure we would all agree upon that.

When we talk about babies we say they are innocent, but my question is - are they? . and where does it say you are born innocent.


1)where in scripture does it say a baby is innocent?

2)when do babies become consciously aware, 1 minute, 2 hours,1 day, 1week, 1 month 1 year?


My own opinion is that babies are not born innocent... for we all come forth from iniquity.. However, does that mean guilty in this instance, I don't think I does and mainly due to a babies mind...but how long does it stay that way.

Any parent will know it does not take a baby long to learn how to scream the place down, if it is not fed when it wants it, or not getting the attention it may be used to?

Anyhow the plain answer is that we do not know. My own opinion is that they do go to heaven

we can emotionally say 'yes' but that cannot be backed up either.
 
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djness

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What the bible does say is that God is a judge who does not show partiality and that all his rulings are just.

Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?
 
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Cino

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The basic fact of the matter is that, emotionally we all want to say babies go to heaven yet nowhere in the bible does it explicitly state this.

One fact we do know is that those in Jesus are saved and I am sure we would all agree upon that.

When we talk about babies we say they are innocent, but my question is - are they? . and where does it say you are born innocent.


1)where in scripture does it say a baby is innocent?

2)when do babies become consciously aware, 1 minute, 2 hours,1 day, 1week, 1 month 1 year?


My own opinion is that babies are not born innocent... for we all come forth from iniquity.. However, does that mean guilty in this instance, I don't think I does and mainly due to a babies mind...but how long does it stay that way.

Any parent will know it does not take a baby long to learn how to scream the place down, if it is not fed when it wants it, or not getting the attention it may be used to?

Anyhow the plain answer is that we do not know. My own opinion is that they do go to heaven

we can emotionally say 'yes' but that cannot be backed up either.
Well nobody is born into this world innocent, as all have been born into the world with sin. Not sure if this is what you mean? But babies do not have the understanding or knowledge of good and evil. They are not at the "accountability" age where they can repent from their sins and turn aside from them. After babies grow up and come to the age of accountability and know right from wrong, then they are accountable for their sin as any of us are. It does say in the Bible in I Corinthians 7:14, instructions if one spouse is a believer, and the other is not a believer; that the believing spouse sanctifies the other, lest their children were "unclean", but now are they "holy". This tells us that children of believing parents are blessed and "sanctified" and "holy", and even if one of the parents are believers, their children are sanctified and holy. Does this tell us that children of unbelievers are not sanctified or holy? Appears to be so.