Baptism symbol only ?

[PACEMAKER]

you simply do not understand Paul's writing and continue to make the same mistake....was Paul baptised?...yes... did he baptise anyone...yes...you conclude that the preaching of the cross does not include baptism....does he teach that one must not be baptised...no ...

1 Corinthians 1:10-18King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
[SUP]14 [/SUP]I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

newbirth,

We should be careful not to neglect baptism’s importance.

Baptism is the sign or the symbol

for what takes place when one is born again.
Baptism’s importance should not be
downplayed or minimized.


However, baptism does not save us.

What saves us is the cleansing work of the Holy Spirit,
when we are born again
and regenerated by the Holy Spirit
(Titus 3:5).

5 he saved us,
not because of works done (like "water baptism")

by us in righteousness,
but according to his own mercy,

by the washing of regeneration
and renewal of the Holy Spirit,

newbirth'

Just how much Power is in that water that comes from your local water supply
Travels to your church baptistry
Heated for Convenience
Is It Holy Water ??
Where do the Sins go After the water is Drained ??

DO you have to Believe with ALL your HEART
That Jesus Christ Died on the Cross
For ALL your Sins BEFORE
You are "water baptized"

If so; just What Sins does this "water baptism" wash away ???????????

 

[PACEMAKER]

One drop of Christ's blood has enough power to forgive all sin past, present and future to all. But how is Christ's blood applied to our lives, through water baptism. What can wash away my sins nothing but the blood of Jesus. And how does his blood wash away our sins Water Baptism.

tylerbones1313

Just how much Power is in that water that comes from your local water supply
Travels to your church baptistry
Heated for Convenience
Is It Holy Water ??
Where do the Sins go After the water is Drained ??

DO you have to Believe with ALL your HEART
That Jesus Christ Died on the Cross
For ALL your Sins BEFORE
You are "water baptized"

If so; just What Sins does this "water baptism" wash away ???????????

 

[oldthennew]

after our conversion, after a time, my wife and I were led by the Holy Spirit to be baptized.
we were baptized in the ocean, though The Spirit fell upon us first.
we also felt compelled to fulfill the scripture in Acts 2:38.

the experience left us feeling so much closer to Jesus, the understanding that our fleshly body
dies with Him and we are brought into the New Covenant upon the death of the 'old-man'
and Christ writing His Laws upon our hearts.

both of us definitely felt much closer to our Father, a part of His family, a shared unity, in
a Holy way,
because we had obeyed His instructions of 'repent and be baptized and you shall receive
the gift of the Holy Spirit'.

 

[mailmandan]

after our conversion, after a time, my wife and I were led by the Holy Spirit to be baptized.
we were baptized in the ocean, though The Spirit fell upon us first.
we also felt compelled to fulfill the scripture in Acts 2:38.

After your conversion, you were compelled to fulfill Acts 2:38? Acts 3:19 - Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord. Do you believe this took place before or after you were water baptized?

the experience left us feeling so much closer to Jesus, the understanding that our fleshly body
dies with Him and we are brought into the New Covenant upon the death of the 'old-man'
and Christ writing His Laws upon our hearts.

Do you believe that you were saved before or after you were water baptized?

both of us definitely felt much closer to our Father, a part of His family, a shared unity, in
a Holy way,
because we had obeyed His instructions of 'repent and be baptized and you shall receive
the gift of the Holy Spirit'.

Do you believe that you were converted when you repented/believed in the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 3:19; 11:17,18) or not until later, after you were water baptized?

 

[newbirth]

newbirth,

We should be careful not to neglect baptism’s importance.

Baptism is the sign or the symbol

for what takes place when one is born again.
Baptism’s importance should not be
downplayed or minimized.

you already did that

However, baptism does not save us.

tell that to Peter...
1 Peter 3:20-22King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

[SUP]22 [/SUP]Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

What saves us is the cleansing work of the Holy Spirit,
when we are born again
and regenerated by the Holy Spirit
(Titus 3:5).

no it is the washing of regeneration and renewing of the HS...don't change the word...
Titus 3:5King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

5 he saved us,
not because of works done (like "water baptism")

by us in righteousness,
but according to his own mercy,

by the washing of regeneration
and renewal of the Holy Spirit,

you quote the word and misquote it in your comments...typical of false teachings...don't add to scripture...

newbirth'

Just how much Power is in that water that comes from your local water supply
Travels to your church baptistry
Heated for Convenience
Is It Holy Water ??
Where do the Sins go After the water is Drained ??

DO you have to Believe with ALL your HEART
That Jesus Christ Died on the Cross
For ALL your Sins BEFORE
You are "water baptized"

If so; just What Sins does this "water baptism" wash away ???????????

does this apply to you?....or did God call you apart from all that are afar off?
Acts 2:38-39King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]38 [/SUP]Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

maybe someone lied to Paul...

Acts 22:15-16American Standard Version (ASV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]For thou shalt be a witness for him unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on his name.

 

[oldthennew]

QUOTE=mailmandan;1739899]After your conversion, you were compelled to fulfill Acts 2:38? Acts 3:19 - Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord. Do you believe this took place before or after you were water baptized?
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hi mailmandan,

we fulfilled the 'baptizmal' part of Acts 2:38.

our point was that the Holy Spirit worked first for us, something we had no control over.
'repentance' had been going-on for weeks before the actual anointing of the Spirit.
we did not realize that our Father was leading us in this repentance, we were just
getting rid of ungodly things in our lives, and at the time we really didn't understand
the entire reason for this, but, we were on an automatic pilot and were more
than willing to comply.
the scripture 3:19, - the refreshing definitely came after the events we mention and
'belief' was absolutely no problem,
we really had no choice to believe and confess His name,
Jesus Christ, the same, yesterday, today, and forever.

'before', - our baptism was an act of 'obedience through faith', a sign that we were

 

[oldthennew]

QUOTE=mailmandan;1739899]After your conversion, you were compelled to fulfill Acts 2:38? Acts 3:19 - Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord. Do you believe this took place before or after you were water baptized?
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hi mailmandan,

 

[oldthennew]

'before', - our baptism was an act of 'obedience through faith', a sign that we were
in agreement with what was written.

 

[PACEMAKER]

after our conversion, after a time, my wife and I were led by the Holy Spirit to be baptized.
we were baptized in the ocean, though The Spirit fell upon us first.
we also felt compelled to fulfill the scripture in Acts 2:38.

the experience left us feeling so much closer to Jesus, the understanding that our fleshly body
dies with Him and we are brought into the New Covenant upon the death of the 'old-man'
and Christ writing His Laws upon our hearts.

both of us definitely felt much closer to our Father, a part of His family, a shared unity, in
a Holy way,
because we had obeyed His instructions of 'repent and be baptized and you shall receive
the gift of the Holy Spirit'.

Oldthennew

If you or your wife would have Died

BEFORE you were "water baptized"

Would you have gone to

Heaven????
or
Hell???

 

[newbirth]

Oldthennew

If you or your wife would have Died

BEFORE you were "water baptized"

Would you have gone to

Heaven????
or
Hell???

if you die in your sins where are you going?

 

[PACEMAKER]

maybe someone lied to Paul...

Acts 22:15-16American Standard Version (ASV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]For thou shalt be a witness for him unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on his name.

Newbirth, you are always bringing up this verse.

I Hope and Pray that you will ask God to help you
Honestly understand this Scripture..


Question: "Does 1 Peter 3:21 teach that baptism is necessary for salvation?"

Answer: As with any single verse or passage,
we discern what it teaches by first filtering
it through what we know the Bible
teaches on the subject at hand.
In the case of baptism and salvation,
the Bible is clear that salvation
is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ,
not by works of any kind,
including “water baptism” (Ephesians 2:8-9).


So, any interpretation which comes to the conclusion
that "water baptism", or any other act,

is necessary for salvation,
is a faulty interpretation.

Those who believe that “water baptism”
is required for salvation are quick
to use 1 Peter 3:21 as a “proof text,
” because it states “baptism now saves you.”


Was Peter really saying that the act
of being “water baptized” is what saves us?
If he were, he would be contradicting
many other passages of Scripture
that clearly show people being saved
(as evidenced by their receiving the Holy Spirit)
prior to being baptized
or without being baptized at all
(like the thief on the cross in Luke 23:39-43).


A good example of someone who was saved
before being baptized is Cornelius
and his household in Acts 10.
We know that they were saved before
being “water baptized” because
they had received the Holy Spirit,
which is the evidence of salvation
(Romans 8:9; Ephesians 1:13; 1 John 3:24).


The evidence of their salvation was the reason
Peter allowed them to be “water baptized”.


Countless passages of Scripture clearly teach
that salvation comes when one believes in the gospel,
at which time he or she is sealed
“in Christ with the Holy Spirit of promise”
(Ephesians 1:13).


In him you also, when you heard the word of truth,

the gospel of your salvation,
and believed in Him,

were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
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Thankfully, though, we don’t have to guess
at what Peter means in this verse
because he clarifies that for us with the phrase


“not the removal of dirt from the flesh,

but an appeal to God for a good conscience.”

While Peter is connecting baptism with salvation,
it is not the act of being “water baptized”
that he is referring to
(not the removal of dirt from the flesh).
Being immersed in water does nothing
but wash away dirt.


What Peter is referring to is what baptism represents,
which is what saves us


(an appeal to God for a good conscience

through the resurrection of Jesus Christ).


In other words, Peter is simply connecting

“water baptism” with belief.


It is not the getting-wet part that saves

but is the “appeal to God for a clean conscience”


which is signified by baptism, that saves us.


The appeal to God always comes first.

First belief and repentance,

Then we are “water baptized” to publicly

identify ourselves with Christ.


The Old Testament Jew was saved before he brought the offering.

That offering was only his outward testimony
that he was placing faith in the Lamb of God
of whom these sacrifices were for

”Water baptism”

is the outward testimony of the
believer's inward faith.


The person is saved the moment

he places his faith in the Lord Jesus.


“Water baptism” is the visible testimony
to his faith and the salvation
he was given in answer to that faith.


Peter is careful to inform his readers
that he is not teaching baptismal regeneration,
namely, that a person who submits
to “water baptism” is thereby regenerated,
for he says,
'not the putting away of the filth of the flesh.'


Baptism, Peter explains,
does not wash away the filth of the flesh,

either in a literal sense as a bath for the body,
nor in a metaphorical sense as a cleansing for the soul.


No rituals or ceremonies really affect the conscience.



But he defines what he means by salvation,
in the words 'the answer of a good conscience toward God,"

and he explains how this is accomplished,


namely, 'by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,'
in that the believing sinner is identified
with Him in that resurrection.”


Baptism has been relegated to something
that is done later.
Yet to Peter or any of the first-century Christians,

the idea that a person would
confess Christ as his Savior
and not be baptized as soon as possible
would have been unheard of.


Therefore, it is not surprising that Peter
would see baptism as almost synonymous with salvation.


Yet Peter makes it clear in this verse
that it is not the ritual itself that saves,
but the fact that we are united with Christ
in His resurrection through faith,


“the pledge of a good conscience toward God

through the resurrection of Jesus Christ” (1 Peter 3:21).

Therefore, the baptism that Peter says saves us

is the one that is Preceded by FAITH

in the propitiatory sacrifice of Christ
that justifies the unrighteous sinner
(Romans 3:25-26)
25 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood,
to be received by faith.
This was to show God’s righteousness,
because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins.
26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time,
so that he might be just and the justifier
of the one who has faith in Jesus.


Baptism is the outward sign of what God has done

“by the washing of regeneration
and renewing by the Holy Spirit”
(Titus 3:5).
He saved us,
not because of works done
by us in righteousness,


but according to his own mercy,


by the washing of regeneration
and renewal of the Holy Spirit,

Newbirth, I hope that this Info helps you to Understand this verse in Scripture better
And Remember that Scripture can Not Contradict itself
You belief on"water baptism" as a Requirement for Salvation
Would be ADDING to what the Scriptures..Say

 

[PACEMAKER]

if you die in your sins where are you going?

Newbirth.
Do you ever Honestly read the Post that are put on this Discussion
About "water baptism" ?????????????????????

 

[Atwood]

if you die in your sins where are you going?

Good evening, Dear NewB.

NewB, I shall dwell in the House of the LORD forever.
He Who spared not His own Son,
but delivered Him up for us all,
How shall He not also with Him freely give us all things?

You reckon that'll be enough?

It is well with my soul.
My sins -- Oh the bliss of this glorious thought;
My sins, not in part, but the whole;
Were nailed to the cross,
& I bear them no more;
Praise the Lord; it is well with my soul.

Christ hath regarded my helpless estate,
And hath shed His own blood for my soul.

It is well with my soul.

Come ye sinners,
Tired & weary,
Weak & wounded sick & sore;

If you tarry till you're better,
You will never come at all.
Not the righteous, not the righteous;
Sinners Jesus came to call.

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for
He shall save His people from their sins.

 

[Atwood]

FriFish Nite Humor for a Water Immersion Thread:
Grumpy Doesn't Want baptism!

[video=youtube;ziyudbAiWrI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziyudbAiWrI&spfreload=10[/video]

 

[CRC]

Water baptism is a requirement for all who want to have a relationship with God. Baptism publicly indicates your desire to serve God. It shows that you are delighted to do God’s will. (Psalm 40:7, 8)

 

[newbirth]

Newbirth.
Do you ever Honestly read the Post that are put on this Discussion
About "water baptism" ?????????????????????

I read the post and I see men who will stop at nothing trying to make the word of God to no effect ...how could ...

“not the removal of dirt from the flesh,

but an appeal to God for a good conscience.”

mean...

While Peter is connecting baptism with salvation,

it is not the act of being “water baptized”
that he is referring to
(not the removal of dirt from the flesh).
Being immersed in water does nothing
but wash away dirt.

this is so stupid and I make no apology....to say not the removal of dirt...means ....

Being immersed in water does nothing

but wash away dirt.

your stupidity and those who agree with you is unmatched and I can no longer sit by and watch you rape and vilify the word of God...the end of the matter is you teach a devil doctrine ...Jesus and his disciples taught and practised water baptism....you don't......I follow Jesus...
your teaching is contrary to sound doctrine....I am not ashamed of the Gospel ...which includes water baptism and abstaining from sin....

 

[newbirth]

Good evening, Dear NewB.

NewB, I shall dwell in the House of the LORD forever.
He Who spared not His own Son,
but delivered Him up for us all,
How shall He not also with Him freely give us all things?

You reckon that'll be enough?

It is well with my soul.
My sins -- Oh the bliss of this glorious thought;
My sins, not in part, but the whole;
Were nailed to the cross,
& I bear them no more;
Praise the Lord; it is well with my soul.

Christ hath regarded my helpless estate,
And hath shed His own blood for my soul.

It is well with my soul.

Come ye sinners,
Tired & weary,
Weak & wounded sick & sore;

If you tarry till you're better,
You will never come at all.
Not the righteous, not the righteous;
Sinners Jesus came to call.

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for
He shall save His people from their sins.

Jesus calls the sinners to be made righteous not to remain sinners.....

 

[newbirth]

Water baptism is a requirement for all who want to have a relationship with God. Baptism publicly indicates your desire to serve God. It shows that you are delighted to do God’s will. (Psalm 40:7, 8)

does acts 2:38-39 apply to you???
Acts 2:38-39King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]38 [/SUP]Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

[SUP]39 [/SUP]For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.


if it does ....stop this foolishness about ....Baptism publicly indicates....the scripture says ....Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
it is either you believe it or you don't...

 

[oldthennew]

do you all suppose there will ever be a place/site/meeting where LOVE
will be the glue, where respect and understanding bind the hearts as one?

 

[newbirth]

do you all suppose there will ever be a place/site/meeting where LOVE
will be the glue, where respect and understanding bind the hearts as one?

no brother light and darkness cannot have fellowship as long as there are those who deny the truth there will be contention