Baptism.............

[p_rehbein]

While I hesitate to do this, I will start this thread............but I warn you the opening statement/comment is quite long, and I fear few will do more than "cherry pick" a point or two from it to contest.........but, I suppose that is to be expected.

Concerning Baptism
In Ephesians 4, Paul writes……..
1) I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, 2 .) With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; 3 .) Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 .) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 .) One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 .) One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. 7 .) But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
Yet, we know from other Scriptures, that there are three baptisms spoken of. Their being: blood baptism (baptized in the precious blood of Jesus), water baptism, and Holy Spirit baptism.

Matthew 3:11) I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Matthew 28:19) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 .) Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen
Acts 9:15) But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
16 .) For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.
17 .) And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
18 .) And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.
Acts 2:38) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 .) For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.

John 4:1) When therefore the LORD knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,
2 .) (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)

1[SUP]st[/SUP] Corinthians 12:13) For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Acts 11:15) And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.

 

[p_rehbein]

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16 .) Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
17 .) Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
18 .) When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
Hebrews 6:1) Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 .) Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3 .) And this will we do, if God permit.
Romans 6:3) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 .) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 .) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 .) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 .) For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 .) Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 .) Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 .) For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 .) Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
What is Christian baptism?
(found here)
http://www.christian-faith.com/forjesus/

Christian baptism is a dedication to follow the Lord Jesus Christ and to be His disciple. (Mathew 28.19). To be baptised you must do something practical. You must humble yourself. In Christian baptism you must identify yourself with Jesus Christ. As He dedicated himself "thus to fulfil all righteousness" (Matthew 3:15) so must you when you are baptised in water. You make a covenant with God to submit yourself to obey the Spirit of God to the point of death, dying to the deeds and lusts of the body and all that is old, to let the past be buried and to rise up to live to fulfil all righteousness - not through your old life but in the new life given by God.
In order to make this dedication, it is obvious that first there must exist real repentance in your heart. You must also have confessed your sins to God. With this baptism you commit yourself through the power of the new life of Jesus within you to "bear fruits worthy of repentance".

 

[p_rehbein]

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WHO IS WATER BAPTISM FOR?
Baptism is for those who have now come to a place where they have repented of their sin and believe with all their heart in the Lord Jesus Christ. We see this clearly both from the teaching and the example of the New Testament.
Water baptism is for those who believe. "He who believes and is baptised shall be saved." (Mark 16:16). No promise is made to those who are baptised without believing. Many people are "baptised" as babies, by immersion in the Orthodox Tradition or by sprinkling in the Catholic, Anglican and Reformed traditions. However, there is no example in the New Testament of babies being baptised. A baby, as yet without understanding, cannot believe the gospel, cannot repent, cannot confess its sin. It is not yet responsible for its actions, and God, who is infinitely just, does not condemn to damnation babies who die. "Let the little children come to me, and do not forbid them, for of such is the Kingdom of Heaven." (Matthew 19:14). Innocent babies and very small children belong to God. "Take heed that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that in heaven their angels always see the face of my Father who is in heaven." (Matthew 18:10).
But what about the Philippian Jailor? He was baptised with all his family! Yes, but from a careful examination of the passage (Read Acts 16:30-34) we observe the following:
1. Paul's instruction was first, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household". (Acts 16:31). Believing on Jesus had to precede water baptism.
2. Paul then preached to the whole household the word of the Lord. (Acts 16:32). There had to be a foundation for faith in Jesus. All the household heard the word of the Lord.
3. There were fruits of repentance. "And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their stripes." (vs 33)
4. Next they were all baptised. It says nothing of babies here. Rather, in verse 34, it says, "having believed in God with all his household." It is clear then that ALL BELIEVED before they were baptised. Since babies cannot believe, it is clear that here is no example of the baptism of babies. We see rather a model for the salvation of whole households. This is the way God would like to work today!

In the first and most significant day of the church, Peter, having preached the gospel to the people, was asked, "What must be do?" And the response?
"Repent, and let every one of you be baptised in the name of the Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2:38). Repentance had to precede baptism. And clearly, faith in Jesus also preceded this baptism, since no-one would have allowed himself to be baptised in the controversial name of Jesus if he did not indeed believe the message of Peter and put his trust in Jesus for salvation.
Once again we see that repentance and faith preceded baptism. The same thing can be seen in all the following passages from the book of Acts:
Acts 8:12,13: The conversion of the Samarians.
Acts 8:37 The Ethiopian eunuch
Acts 9, Acts 22:8,16 The conversion of Saul (Paul).
Acts 10:44-48: The conversion of Cornelius, his relatives and close friends. *
Acts 16:31-34 The conversion of the Philippian jailor and his household

 

[p_rehbein]

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Acts 19:1-6 The case of the Ephesian disciples.
* In the case of Cornelius, we can know that these people believed the message of Peter about Jesus, since God sovereignly poured the Holy Spirit out upon them and they were baptised in the Holy Spirit. These people, especially Cornelius were already god-fearing people and obviously God had prepared their hearts to receive the Holy Spirit. Other Jewish believers recognised what God did as proving that these Romans had been granted "repentance unto life" (Acts 11:18). It is clear from this passage that someone who is genuinely baptised in the Holy Spirit is a candidate also for water-baptism. The order of baptisms is not consistent in the Bible. It is possible to be baptised in water before being baptised in the Holy Spirit. The reverse is also possible.
As we have begun to see, Christian water baptism means a dedication to fulfil all righteousness (Matthew 3:15). It is the biblical expression of a commitment to die to the world, the flesh and the devil and live for God alone.
It is a death, burial and resurrection. (Romans 6:4; Colossians 2:11,12). Death to the old nature, the old ways, habits and lifestyle. Burial of all these things. A new life in the power of the Holy Spirit. This is what baptism is about.
It is identification with Jesus Christ, and a recognition of Him as
your master and you as his disciple (Matthew 28:19). It means you commit yourself to obey Jesus Christ. If you have never been baptised in water as a believer and you do not want to be, it shows that you are either ignorant of the nature and meaning of water baptism, or that, more simply, you do not wish to humble yourself and obey the Lord Jesus Christ. Water baptism is a separation between the old life of disobedience and the new life of obedience through the Spirit.
Water baptism is commanded. Jesus commanded it (Matthew 28:19, Mark 16:16). Peter commanded it. (Acts 2:38). "And he commanded them to be baptised in the name of the Lord." (Acts 10:48). We see that the apostles acted with far greater authority than the average preacher of today in this regard. This is because they knew it was the Lord's will for those who believed to be baptised. Paul baptised believers (Acts 19:1-5), and he himself was commanded to be baptised (Acts 22:16). Even Jesus Himself submitted to baptism. (Matthew 3:13-17). If you wish to be a disciple of Jesus and have never been baptised as such, NOW is the time for you to DO IT. Find a mature Christian who is willing to baptise you.

Baptism in water also shows forth the idea that our sins are washed away. (Acts 22:16; Acts 2:38). Just as baptism is a washing, it declares to the world that our sins have been washed away. In itself it does not wash away our sins, but only inasmuch as it expresses our faith in the working of the blood of Jesus, shed for us (Ephesians 1:7; Colossians 1:14). It is the blood of Jesus that does the real purifying work. Baptism shows forth not only a death, burial and resurrection in Christ, but also a washing away of our sins through the blood of Jesus.

 

[p_rehbein]

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IN WHAT NAME ARE WE TO BE BAPTISED?
Jesus commanded that disciples be baptised in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19). All things we do are to be done in the name of the Lord Jesus, however (Colossians 3:17). The early church baptised in the name of Jesus Christ (Acts 2:38), in the name of the Lord (Acts 10:48), in the name of the Lord Jesus (Acts 19:5). How do we reconcile this? Not once is the same wording of the name used in these passages! The answer is simple. All these names have one and the same significance. It shows we are baptised in the name of Jesus, not simply in the "name of God". Jesus, or the Son, must be recognised in the wording of our baptism. The Scriptures confound any attempt to impose a formula of wording for baptism. This is because water baptism was never intended to be something merely formal, but rather a real identification INTO a person - Jesus Christ. God did not want all this arguing about how to say the name in baptism.

If you are not baptised with the words "In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ" your baptism is not valid. You must then be re-baptised with this formula.
This false doctrine is popular especially amongst those who deny the doctrine of the Trinity and believe that Jesus is at the same time the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. We have seen that throughout the book of Acts the wording of the name is different. The emphasis is not on a formula of words, but a person. Since it is argued that the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit is the name of the Lord Jesus Christ what difference does it make which form is used? And if we baptise as Peter did in the name of the Lord Jesus, does that mean we have failed to baptise in the name of the Holy Spirit, as Jesus commanded? All this doctrine is rooted in a foolish argument about words, which promotes division and strife, rather than the faith and love which is in the Lord Jesus.

 

[p_rehbein]

Now, as to Acts 2:38............let me offer my opinion/understanding........

........repent and be baptized for the forgiveness of sin............

Why is one being baptized? (and, in this instance I am speaking of water baptism)

Consider this:

........repent and jump for joy for the forgiveness of sin............

Is one jumping for joy to have their sins forgiven or are they jumping for joy because their sins were forgiven when they repented? Now apply this to Acts 2:38............is one being water baptized to have their sins forgiven, or are they being water baptized because their sins were forgiven when they repented?

Water baptism is an act of obedience.............as such, it is a work, there is no work of man worthy of the forgiveness of sin.

 

[notuptome]

Any reasonable discussion of baptism must be founded on which word is being used in the text. Commonly bapto and baptizo are used in the manuscripts. Inconvenient though it may be it is key to determining if we are speaking of water or Holy Spirit baptism. There are occasions where it is clear in the context that we are speaking of water baptism and where we are speaking of Holy Spirit baptism. In every case we must determine which we are looking at to understand correctly the text in question.

Acts 2:38 is speaking of Holy Spirit baptism not as some suppose water baptism. The word baptizo is to dip repeatedly or to submerge as a ship. If one is submerged as a ship they will drown.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[SeaBass]

While I hesitate to do this, I will start this thread............but I warn you the opening statement/comment is quite long, and I fear few will do more than "cherry pick" a point or two from it to contest.........but, I suppose that is to be expected.

Concerning Baptism
In Ephesians 4, Paul writes……..
1) I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, 2 .) With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; 3 .) Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 .) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 .) One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 .) One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. 7 .) But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
Yet, we know from other Scriptures, that there are three baptisms spoken of. Their being: blood baptism (baptized in the precious blood of Jesus), water baptism, and Holy Spirit baptism.

The NT speaks of about 6 ot 7 baptisms, but a study of the NT shows that just one of those baptisms is now in effect, Eph 4;4,5. That one baptism which is an immesion in water, Acts 8:38, administered by humans, makes one a disciple, andlasts till the end of time, Mt 28:19,29, it's commanded, Acts 2:38, it saves, 1 Pet 3:21 and is in the name of Christ, Acts 2:38; Acts 10:47,48.

Matthew 3:11) I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

John was simply announcing baptisms that he baptized with and that Christ would baptize with, John was not promising any of these baptism to any particular people today.

Matthew 28:19) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 .) Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen
Acts 9:15) But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

THis is Christ's baptism of the great commission, the one baptism of Eph 4:4,5, which is human administered water baptism, makes one a disciple, that is to be taught, and lasts till the end of time.

16 .) For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.
17 .) And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
18 .) And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.
Acts 2:38) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 .) For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.

Acts 22:16 "And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on his name."
Saul therefore was not saved until his sins were washed away in water baptism.

John 4:1) When therefore the LORD knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,
2 .) (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)

Jesus did not baptize anyone personally but did baptize in the since He gave His authority tothe disciples to baptize.

1[SUP]st[/SUP] Corinthians 12:13) For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

This is Paul speaking of the Corinthians being born again per Jn 3:5:

Jn 3:5-------------Spirit++++++++++++water>>>>>>>>>>>>>in the kingdom
1Cor12:13------Spirit++++++++++++baptized>>>>>>>>>>>inthe body


Harmonizing verses we clearly see the Corinthians were WATER BAPTIZED. Paul baptized some of the Corithians himself, 1 Cor 1:14,16. Since there is just ONE baptism per Eph 4:4,5 then we have the human administered (by Paul) water baptism of Christ's great commmission that saves.

Acts 11:15) And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.

The Holy Ghost fell upon the Gentiles but it had nothing to do with their personal savlation. God did this to prove to the Jews salvation was also meant for those "unclean" "dog" Gentiles as the Jews thought of them:

God:
-sent an angel to Cornelius teling him to send for Peter who wold tell Cornelius what he ought to do
-Sent Peter a vision that Gentiles were clean, not unclean as the Jews thought
-God baptized the Gentiles with the HS.

In Acts 11 Peter told the Jews in Jerusalem these things God did and the result of God doing these things: "And when they (Jews) heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then to the Gentiles also hath God granted repentance unto life."

Acts 10:35 the Gentiles would have to "work righteousness" to be accepted with God. The Gentiles were commanded to be water baptized and were working righteousness when they obeyed Peer's command to be water baptized having sins remitted and accepted with God.

 

[notuptome]

The NT speaks of about 6 ot 7 baptisms, but a study of the NT shows that just one of those baptisms is now in effect, Eph 4;4,5. That one baptism which is an immesion in water, Acts 8:38, administered by humans, makes one a disciple, andlasts till the end of time, Mt 28:19,29, it's commanded, Acts 2:38, it saves, 1 Pet 3:21 and is in the name of Christ, Acts 2:38; Acts 10:47,48.



John was simply announcing baptisms that he baptized with and that Christ would baptize with, John was not promising any of these baptism to any particular people today.


THis is Christ's baptism of the great commission, the one baptism of Eph 4:4,5, which is human administered water baptism, makes one a disciple, that is to be taught, and lasts till the end of time.



Acts 22:16 "And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on his name."
Saul therefore was not saved until his sins were washed away in water baptism.





Jesus did not baptize anyone personally but did baptize in the since He gave His authority tothe disciples to baptize.



This is Paul speaking of the Corinthians being born again per Jn 3:5:

Jn 3:5-------------Spirit++++++++++++water>>>>>>>>>>>>>in the kingdom
1Cor12:13------Spirit++++++++++++baptized>>>>>>>>>>>inthe body


Harmonizing verses we clearly see the Corinthians were WATER BAPTIZED. Paul baptized some of the Corithians himself, 1 Cor 1:14,16. Since there is just ONE baptism per Eph 4:4,5 then we have the human administered (by Paul) water baptism of Christ's great commmission that saves.




The Holy Ghost fell upon the Gentiles but it had nothing to do with their personal savlation. God did this to prove to the Jews salvation was also meant for those "unclean" "dog" Gentiles as the Jews thought of them:

God:
-sent an angel to Cornelius teling him to send for Peter who wold tell Cornelius what he ought to do
-Sent Peter a vision that Gentiles were clean, not unclean as the Jews thought
-God baptized the Gentiles with the HS.

In Acts 11 Peter told the Jews in Jerusalem these things God did and the result of God doing these things: "And when they (Jews) heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then to the Gentiles also hath God granted repentance unto life."

Acts 10:35 the Gentiles would have to "work righteousness" to be accepted with God. The Gentiles were commanded to be water baptized and were working righteousness when they obeyed Peer's command to be water baptized having sins remitted and accepted with God.

Classic example of one who is teaching something they know nothing about. Wrong in every point. Fatally flawed hardly begins to describe it.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[parablepete]

I believe between the both of you. You have done an exlentcent job of teaching that baptism saves and is for us today.

P_rehbein are you a memeber of the RCC?

 

[SeaBass]

Classic example of one who is teaching something they know nothing about. Wrong in every point. Fatally flawed hardly begins to describe it.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

There was many points I responded to, please pick out one that I was wrong about and biblically prove to me why I was wrong. If I am wrong, I do want to be right.

 

[notuptome]

There was many points I responded to, please pick out one that I was wrong about and biblically prove to me why I was wrong. If I am wrong, I do want to be right.

I already said all of them. I do not believe you have any interest in knowing but only in telling. Baptismal regeneration is heretical and unbiblical. Your history of such teaching places you outside the body of Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[ji]

ignore the cherry pickers,..

"Yet, we know from other Scriptures, that there are three baptisms spoken of. Their being: blood baptism (baptized in the precious blood of Jesus), water baptism, and Holy Spirit baptism." - your words.

what is blood baptism?i didn't understand the blood baptism,That's the only thing that i didn't understand here,are you talking about Holy Communion?is it salvation?

 

[dcontroversal]

I already said all of them. I do not believe you have any interest in knowing but only in telling. Baptismal regeneration is heretical and unbiblical. Your history of such teaching places you outside the body of Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Amen and I agree....

 

[p_rehbein]

I believe between the both of you. You have done an exlentcent job of teaching that baptism saves and is for us today.

P_rehbein are you a memeber of the RCC?

either you did not read my commentary................or you completely misunderstood........dunno which........at no time have I stated that "water baptism" saves...........

and, apparently you are unable to read my "tag lines" below my post........or you wouldn't be asking such a question as to which church I attend............just saying............

 

[p_rehbein]

ignore the cherry pickers,..

"Yet, we know from other Scriptures, that there are three baptisms spoken of. Their being: blood baptism (baptized in the precious blood of Jesus), water baptism, and Holy Spirit baptism." - your words.

what is blood baptism?i didn't understand the blood baptism,That's the only thing that i didn't understand here,are you talking about Holy Communion?is it salvation?

thanks...........good question.............consider this..........(and, btw, I place my faith and trust in the precious blood of Jesus Christ for IT is what covers our sin, and allows us to be worthy of being called children of God......water can not do that)
The Precious Blood of Jesus

1. Leviticus 17:11, 14 (cp. Deuteronomy 12:23) “For the life of the flesh
is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an
atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement
for the soul…. For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life
thereof …”
2. Hebrews 9:22 “Without the shedding of blood, there is
no remission of sins.”
3. 1 John 1:7″… the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth
us from all sin.”
4. Revelation 1:5 “… Unto him that loved us, and washed us
from our sins in his own blood.”
5. Exodus 12:13 “… and when I see the blood, I will pass over
you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you,
when I smite the land of Egypt.”
6. Revelation 12:11 “And they overcame him (Satan) by the blood
of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony …”
7. Hebrews 9:14 “How much more shall the blood of Christ, who
through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God,
purge your conscience …
8. Hebrews 10:19, 22 “Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter
into the holiest by the blood of Jesus … Let us draw near with a true
heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an
evil conscience …”
9. Hebrews 13:12 “Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify
the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.”
10. Romans 3:24-25 “Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;”
11. Romans 5:9 “Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.”

 

[SeaBass]

I already said all of them. I do not believe you have any interest in knowing but only in telling. Baptismal regeneration is heretical and unbiblical. Your history of such teaching places you outside the body of Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Just saying one is wrong proves nothing....saying and proving are two completely different things. So do you have any proof?

 

[p_rehbein]

Just saying one is wrong proves nothing....saying and proving are two completely different things. So do you have any proof?

May I ask what "standard" you use to determine what is right/wrong and/or "proved?"

Read your comments concerning my OP, and as far as I can see, you simply took other Scriptures and used them to support your interpretation of Scriptures to fit your ideology..........so, simply taking an opposing view from a OP is not "proving" anything either is it? Well, other than a disagreement of Scriptural understanding.

To champion water baptism is to make of no avail the precious blood of Jesus Christ in my opinion. Water is JUST water.

 

[Alligator]

Classic example of one who is teaching something they know nothing about. Wrong in every point. Fatally flawed hardly begins to describe it.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

its funny that you didn't provide a single reference or any kind of intelligent response.

 

[SeaBass]

May I ask what "standard" you use to determine what is right/wrong and/or "proved?"

Read your comments concerning my OP, and as far as I can see, you simply took other Scriptures and used them to support your interpretation of Scriptures to fit your ideology..........so, simply taking an opposing view from a OP is not "proving" anything either is it? Well, other than a disagreement of Scriptural understanding.

To champion water baptism is to make of no avail the precious blood of Jesus Christ in my opinion. Water is JUST water.

From my post #11:

"please pick out one that I was wrong about and biblically prove to me why I was wrong."

The bible is the standard of proof.


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God chose water baptism as the means by which He saves, God made water baptism the point where Christ's blood washes away sins:

Rev 1:5 John said "...and washed us from our sins in his own blood"

Where did Christ shed His blood that washes away sins?

Jn 19:34, in His death.

So man must have access into Christ's death to have His blood wash away sins.


And what in Rom 6:3-6 did Paul say puts one into the death of Christ??????????

3-Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

4-Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5-For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

6-Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.



By NO COINCIDENCE baptism is what puts one into the death of Christ where His shed blood is found.


Faith only only does nothing and certainly does not put one into Christ's death.