Baptismal Regeneration of Infants

[Vernon]

So, you don't believe in an age of accountability?

Yes, I believe in the age of accountability, I also believe that infants of Christians receive a blessing and we give them to our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. When they come of age (as individuals) between 13 and 19, then they must make a choice, to follow Christ or to follow the world. If they choose to follow Christ then they receive the laying on of hands by believers and receive the Holy Spirit. They are then released from our stewardship and are given to God and we have fulfilled our duty.

If if they fall away (God forbid) , their blood is not on us, Christ have mercy, but on their own , Christ have mercy.

Christ be with you always. Amen.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Children are protected by their believing parents . . . even if one is an unbeliever.

For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the [believing] wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the [believing] husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. 1 Cor. 7:14

until the child comes of an age to make a decision for themselves.

oops read the vote wrong - my vote should have been - no it is not valid

 

[directline2iam]

Do you run out and get baptised everytime you learn something new in His wordor does Jesus need to come back and die on the cross again every time you judge unrightfully.
what was going through my mind at that time?
Why don't you ask the Spirit He was there.
Just as a child has faith (total dependance) he will. be fed and cleaned the child's spirit also has this same dependence (faith) that God will fed his soul and clean his soul and faith for that next breath of air that God allow him to have.
if you weren't at my baptism you really don't have JACK to say about it but if you don't understand or don't like it tell it to God but don't ever annd i repeat EVER tell me that I'm not baptized into the kingdom of God because the water + the Spirit are a wittness to it and yoou are childish to think otherwise.

 

[tribesman]

Here is a well-written post about the reformers view of baptism. For those who are interested:

Just and Sinner: Luther and Calvin on Baptism

 

[Vernon]

Children are protected by their believing parents . . . even if one is an unbeliever.

For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the [believing] wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the [believing] husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. 1 Cor. 7:14

until the child comes of an age to make a decision for themselves.

oops read the vote wrong - my vote should have been - no it is not valid

your vote was true , Christ be with you always.

 

[crossnote]

Here is a well-written post about the reformers view of baptism. For those who are interested:

Just and Sinner: Luther and Calvin on Baptism

As I understand it Calvin did not believe in Baptismal regeneration, but rather infant baptism was an entrance into the covenant community.
Those that try to equate infant baptism with circumcision cannot claim infant regeneration.

With Lutheranism, there is no guarantee that the infant 'exercised' faith especially when the infant grows up a scondrel and dies rejecting Christ.

 

[Vernon]

As I understand it Calvin did not believe in Baptismal regeneration, but rather infant baptism was an entrance into the covenant community.
Those that try to equate infant baptism with circumcision cannot claim infant regeneration.

With Lutheranism, there is no guarantee that the infant 'exercised' faith especially when the infant grows up a scondrel and dies rejecting Christ.

Certainly infant baptism does not guarantee salvation, just as infant circumcision did not equate to salvation. Luther from his own words must rely on the mercy of God for salvation. Just as we all must rely on the mercy of God.

Christ be with you always.

 

[crossnote]

Certainly infant baptism does not guarantee salvation, just as infant circumcision did not equate to salvation. Luther from his own words must rely on the mercy of God for salvation. Just as we all must rely on the mercy of God.

Christ be with you always.

Fine then, where do you see infant baptism guarantees infant regeneration?

 

[crossnote]

Luther's smaller catechism...

It is not the water indeed that does them, but the word of God which is in and with the water, and faith, which trusts such word of God in the water. For without the word of God the water is simple water and no baptism. But with the word of God it is a baptism, that is, a gracious water of life and a washing of regeneration in the Holy Ghost, as St. Paul says, Titus, chapter three: By the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost, which He shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ, our Savior, that, being justified by His grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. This is a faithful saying.

In other words without the Word we have only water.
But one can be regenerated by only the Word!
So if all the above is true, why not just speak the sure Word to the infant?

Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
(Jas 1:18)

Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
(1Pe 1:23)

 

[Vernon]

I see it from scripture which teaches that baptism is for the remission of sins ( this is not to say God is placed in a box ) , God can forgive or condemn who ever He pleases. But for those of us who believe in original sin , baptism delivers infants from the curse of Adam.

I know and understand your position and I know that God saves infants who have not been water baptized, but I believe that Christians should water baptize their children in obedience to to teaching of Jesus Christ.

I am not a dogmatic Christian, but I only seek and pray for the salvation of all mankind.

Christ be with you always.

 

[dcontroversal]

You should study more and leave comments less. Your understanding of faith and water baptismis very SHALLOW. no pun intended.

A lot deeper than some infant who got nothing but wet with no practical biblical application whatsoever at all.........!

 

[Nautilus]

I have no personal qualm with infant baptism as its something parents like to do. Everytime I've seen it it's the parents promising to raise their child by biblical standards. I still think everyone at some point should choose to be properly baptized when they decide to follow Christ though.

 

[Chica]

Getting wet and being immersed are two different things.........!

True. Why was Jesus baptized in the Jordan R-I-V-E-R

Why did Phillip take the Ethiopian eunuch D-O-W-N I-N-T-O T-H-E W-A-T-E-R.

The word baptism is the English form of the Gk. baptismos. The verb from which this noun is derived--baptizo-- is believed by some scholars to mean "to dip, immerse". But some believe that meaning is not the most exact or common but rather a meaning that is secondary or derived.

From the example of Jesus and the eunuch I think baptizo does mean to dip or immerse.

 

[MarcR]

Suffer the little children to come onto Me for of such (FAITH) is the kingdom of God.
plain english spoken by God Himself.
Only a fool would prevent the remission of sins to any person God has placed on the earth.
Do you honestly believe the Gospel of the kingdom of God is only for human understanding and foget the SPIRIT OF GOD and WHAT THE WORD FAITH MEANS?
You better read the passage over again and again and come to the realization that you aren't God and God alone decides who is welcome
in His kingdom.
And stop preaching another gospel. When the apostles including John baptised THEY DIDN'T ASUME ANYTHING they did as they were commanded.

When we in faith acknowledge Jesus as Lord, and accept his sacrifice on the cross as payment for our sin; we are reborn and the Holy Spirit indwells us; at which point we belong to Jesus.

Until a child understands his/her need for Salvation and understands the choice involved in acceptance; Jesus claims them as His own without a choice.

Not having first believed, Baptism is meaningless! Baptism plays NO ROLE in Salvation!

 

[SarahM777]

When we in faith acknowledge Jesus as Lord, and accept his sacrifice on the cross as payment for our sin; we are reborn and the Holy Spirit indwells us; at which point we belong to Jesus.

Until a child understands his/her need for Salvation and understands the choice involved in acceptance; Jesus claims them as His own without a choice.

Not having first believed, Baptism is meaningless! Baptism plays NO ROLE in Salvation!

But didn't that whosoever believes in Him shall be saved and didn't Jesus say this also

Mark 9

[SUP]42 [/SUP]“If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them if a large millstone were hung around their neck and they were thrown into the sea.

Jesus says very clearly that little children can believe in Him. Who is it that causes one to be born again? Is it man or the spirit? And what John the Baptist? Was he filled with the Holy Spirit before he was born? And can God do that work in other children before they born also?

And where scripture ever say a little child CAN NOT BE BORN AGAIN? Chapter and verses please.

 

[SarahM777]

Not having first believed, Baptism is meaningless! Baptism plays NO ROLE in Salvation!

Are we really asking the right question? Shouldn't the real question be if one refuses to be baptized do they really believe?
Is it a faith that believes and does is what saves us or is a faith that DOES NOTHING actually UNBELIEF?

Are we asking the right question on Mark 16 when Jesus says this

16"He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.

Is Jesus really saying that it's baptism that saves or is Jesus saying the VERY SAME THING James says? And Jesus is saying that it's an ACTIVE faith that does,that saves and ANYTHING ELSE IS UNBELIEF?

 

[p_rehbein]

Maybe there should be a Poll to see which is more important to salvation?

Baptism in the precious blood of Jesus Christ

Water baptism

I wonder which of these was for the forgiveness of sin? I wonder which of these washes us whiter than snow? I wonder which of these allow us to be called the children of God? I wonder which of these sanctifies us? I wonder which of these allows us to be justified by God?

 

[oldthennew]

Baptism is a Commandment in the scriptures, 'repent and be baptized and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.'

Jesus Christ tell us to go into all nations Baptizing, etc.

this is such an important doctrine because, we are 'buried with Christ into His death upon Baptism', Rom.6.

the implication/truth is, that through His death, we become 'dead to the Law', but the Law does not become dead to us'.
JAMES 2:11.
For He who said, do not commit adultery, also said, do not murder. Now if you do not commit adultery,
but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the Law.

another important point is, that if we do not REPENT and be baptized, we cannot receive the Holy Spirit -
and the Holy Spirit is the surety or guarantee of Eternal Life.

May we all follow the examples that our heavenly Father has given to us in His Holy Word.

 

[ember]

You started it!



I did not enjoy my time at the changing station.............glad they grow up quickly.

and you took it over the edge where it plunged to its demise...

 

[ember]

But didn't that whosoever believes in Him shall be saved and didn't Jesus say this also

Mark 9

[SUP]42 [/SUP]“If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them if a large millstone were hung around their neck and they were thrown into the sea.

Jesus says very clearly that little children can believe in Him. Who is it that causes one to be born again? Is it man or the spirit? And what John the Baptist? Was he filled with the Holy Spirit before he was born? And can God do that work in other children before they born also?

And where scripture ever say a little child CAN NOT BE BORN AGAIN? Chapter and verses please.

this is about infant baptism...you know, before a child can even speak?