be willing to talk to those you were taught to avoid/stop looking to bible for sermon
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2 TIMOTHY 3
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
No, it is not restricted to Mormons or JWs but to all who fall into this category: ...men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
So there is no misuse of the text whatsoever. Christians know that these two cults (and several others) do not hold to Bible Christianity or the true Gospel. But they are influencing many people who are not sure about what the Bible teaches. And they are growing at a rapid rate.
So there is no misuse of the text whatsoever. Christians know that these two cults (and several others) do not hold to Bible Christianity or the true Gospel. But they are influencing many people who are not sure about what the Bible teaches. And they are growing at a rapid rate.
So is this to promote extra-biblical revelation? Who on earth thinks its a good plan to seek outside of the word of God for their next sermon? Those who really do not believe in the power of the word of God to produce that which pleases God in the first place.
The gospel is to all men even those in other denominations. Only do not embrace their doctrinal errors. How many times did Israel follow after the gods of the nations round about them? The result? Captivity.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The gospel is to all men even those in other denominations. Only do not embrace their doctrinal errors. How many times did Israel follow after the gods of the nations round about them? The result? Captivity.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Ah, man! The stuff you missed just because of your youth. I surely hope you get to see one one day. A real one. A revival!
Looking for trouble? The evangelists headed for where the people most needed God -- the drug dens, the places in the park where homeless people lived, inside bars, out back of bars where people were vomiting or passed out, drug dens, bikers clubs, "lover's lane!" You name it, and wherever the worst of worse hung out evangelists would go. And we heard! And we followed!
Sure, most weren't really saved, and yet most who followed Jesus weren't really saved either. It's the ones who were that drove the church nuts.
Imagine an era where it was assumed going to church meant dresses and hats for the women, and at the very least a two-piece suit for the men. And then picture that group being crowded out by junkies, whores, bikers, hippies, and homeless. Far out, man! It was a sight most worthy of the Lord.
Paul went to Jerusalem after Jerusalem killed Jesus. What's with this worrying about looking for trouble. Aren't you living there now? (I've prayed for your living situation a couple of months ago.) God sends his people to the worst of the worse, because he saves the most foolish and the worst of the worse. He never said to avoid them.
I truly hope you live long enough to see a true revival. History suggests one happens about once every 70 years. The timing is right. I can so see you as one of the elders in your church by then looking shocked at who just showed up at the door! And, then getting a big goofy grin because you're fairly certain the Lord led that person there. (Meh. Let's be real. There is always this fear that maybe it wasn't the Lord. Maybe it was Satan. That's just part of life.)
Be prepared, because that's the advantage of youth. You are likely to be around the next time there is a true revival. AND you're going to be an elder by then. At least here is your advance warning. I don't think the elders and preachers back when I was a kid got the advance warning memo. lol
Looking for trouble? The evangelists headed for where the people most needed God -- the drug dens, the places in the park where homeless people lived, inside bars, out back of bars where people were vomiting or passed out, drug dens, bikers clubs, "lover's lane!" You name it, and wherever the worst of worse hung out evangelists would go. And we heard! And we followed!
Sure, most weren't really saved, and yet most who followed Jesus weren't really saved either. It's the ones who were that drove the church nuts.
Imagine an era where it was assumed going to church meant dresses and hats for the women, and at the very least a two-piece suit for the men. And then picture that group being crowded out by junkies, whores, bikers, hippies, and homeless. Far out, man! It was a sight most worthy of the Lord.
Paul went to Jerusalem after Jerusalem killed Jesus. What's with this worrying about looking for trouble. Aren't you living there now? (I've prayed for your living situation a couple of months ago.) God sends his people to the worst of the worse, because he saves the most foolish and the worst of the worse. He never said to avoid them.
I truly hope you live long enough to see a true revival. History suggests one happens about once every 70 years. The timing is right. I can so see you as one of the elders in your church by then looking shocked at who just showed up at the door! And, then getting a big goofy grin because you're fairly certain the Lord led that person there. (Meh. Let's be real. There is always this fear that maybe it wasn't the Lord. Maybe it was Satan. That's just part of life.)
Be prepared, because that's the advantage of youth. You are likely to be around the next time there is a true revival. AND you're going to be an elder by then. At least here is your advance warning. I don't think the elders and preachers back when I was a kid got the advance warning memo. lol
hmm read it again 
no one said extra Biblical revelation. No one is saying to seek outside of the word of God for thier next sermon.
what the context is : Pastors who God has promoted and have over 500 or more members of sunday vistors , look to speak a good sermon instead of speaking what God gives you. Now the person who was speaking is aman of God and was edifying younger pastors to NOT get a Big head or allow the minstery to become your god. I do not use the word of for my next sermon to make a cd or tape I seek to hear from God through His word and ask HIM< what does HE want me to say. I do not look to preach good sermons but look to obey God and Preach srmons that do good.
no one said extra Biblical revelation. No one is saying to seek outside of the word of God for thier next sermon.what the context is : Pastors who God has promoted and have over 500 or more members of sunday vistors , look to speak a good sermon instead of speaking what God gives you. Now the person who was speaking is aman of God and was edifying younger pastors to NOT get a Big head or allow the minstery to become your god. I do not use the word of for my next sermon to make a cd or tape I seek to hear from God through His word and ask HIM< what does HE want me to say. I do not look to preach good sermons but look to obey God and Preach srmons that do good.
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Avoiding people? Hmmm.
Fundamentalist secondary separation has caused great harm.
I used to hear 1 Corinthians 5:10 preached by several as if it were a warning that associating with the lost would cause God to "take us out of this world." That is one gravely misused text that has caused me to appreciate and seek proper context.
We cannot be salt to the world, and light to the world (Matthew 5:13-14) if we isolate and insulate ourselves from the lost.
This text would be difficult to heed if we are to avoid the lost: 1 Peter 3:15.
I happen to work around lots of lost people, and lately have had opportunity to witness to several of them the Gospel of Christ. I know, "Calvies" don't witness, right?
As far as the "sermon" thing, that's a touchy subject. The mere mention of a Biblical point to some is a sermon and they can become antagonistic about mentioning that. I try to avoid a person in that state of mind and pray for a good opportunity.
We do not always have to mention Scripture to the lost, why not just have general conversation and seek good opportunity and an open door of God's leading to go deeper in witness? Years ago I knew a guy who would hunt down the newly hired people at work and hit them between the eyes with the Gospel as soon as he found them. Not very wise imho.
Funny thing here, God tells us to avoid those who cause division &c, those within the body, obviously; Romans 16:17.
Fundamentalist secondary separation has caused great harm.
I used to hear 1 Corinthians 5:10 preached by several as if it were a warning that associating with the lost would cause God to "take us out of this world." That is one gravely misused text that has caused me to appreciate and seek proper context.
We cannot be salt to the world, and light to the world (Matthew 5:13-14) if we isolate and insulate ourselves from the lost.
This text would be difficult to heed if we are to avoid the lost: 1 Peter 3:15.
I happen to work around lots of lost people, and lately have had opportunity to witness to several of them the Gospel of Christ. I know, "Calvies" don't witness, right?
As far as the "sermon" thing, that's a touchy subject. The mere mention of a Biblical point to some is a sermon and they can become antagonistic about mentioning that. I try to avoid a person in that state of mind and pray for a good opportunity.
We do not always have to mention Scripture to the lost, why not just have general conversation and seek good opportunity and an open door of God's leading to go deeper in witness? Years ago I knew a guy who would hunt down the newly hired people at work and hit them between the eyes with the Gospel as soon as he found them. Not very wise imho.
Funny thing here, God tells us to avoid those who cause division &c, those within the body, obviously; Romans 16:17.
Bigger secret. It works. Reformed churches are growing fast. Fundamentalist churches are on the decline.
well when you see them approaching you've immediately got something in common;
the idea that the other thinks they know Jesus, but is fundamentally completely wrong about Him.
like Ricky & Nehemiah said, this means probably both of you have a shared goal: to prove each other wrong.
hmm why does this sound so familiar lol
but i think there's something better here, too. when one of those missionaries comes to your door, you've got a stranger who's not only willing to talk about Jesus, but who ((presumably)) wants to. there's no 'trying to figure out a way to bring Him up' -- He's the whole pretext of your interaction, isn't He? so go for it! forget about trying to rehearse all the counter-arguments to what you know about their institutional doctrines. just talk about Christ, and nothing but Christ.
that's what i did with the mormons. the JW, God seems to send while i'm away, apparently willing that my wife talk to them instead. she says she's apparently blacklisted now, because last time she started talking to one an elder one hurried down the driveway, grabbed them by the arm and led them over to the next house instead. guess they've got the whole 'shouldn't talk to' thing going on, themselves
the idea that the other thinks they know Jesus, but is fundamentally completely wrong about Him.
like Ricky & Nehemiah said, this means probably both of you have a shared goal: to prove each other wrong.
hmm why does this sound so familiar lol
but i think there's something better here, too. when one of those missionaries comes to your door, you've got a stranger who's not only willing to talk about Jesus, but who ((presumably)) wants to. there's no 'trying to figure out a way to bring Him up' -- He's the whole pretext of your interaction, isn't He? so go for it! forget about trying to rehearse all the counter-arguments to what you know about their institutional doctrines. just talk about Christ, and nothing but Christ.
that's what i did with the mormons. the JW, God seems to send while i'm away, apparently willing that my wife talk to them instead. she says she's apparently blacklisted now, because last time she started talking to one an elder one hurried down the driveway, grabbed them by the arm and led them over to the next house instead. guess they've got the whole 'shouldn't talk to' thing going on, themselves
i've got a bit of a different look at this than what i've been reading in the thread, that goes with what i posted above.
the Bible isn't about me, it's about God. when a person goes digging in it for a sermon to preach to a congregation, they way more often than not ((if sermons themselves are anything to go by)) are looking for their congregation in the Bible so they can tell them about it for 20 minutes the following weekend. tell them what to do and how to act. tell them the Bible says so, here and here and here. but the Bible is about Christ - all of it is testifying about Him. it's not about me, and it's not about your congregation. it's not even about your pastor.
'find yourself in the Bible' -- yeah, the blind, the stupid, the one getting it all wrong, the one who needs somebody to swoop in and fix it all. that's me in the Bible. but life is knowledge of Him. looking in the Bible and trying to find what to tell your congregation to do next week gets you the next chapter of a self-help book... that draws crowds and puts money in the offering plate i guess. good business model; a lot of people are making a lot of money this way.
you can look in the Bible and try to find what the JW's or the LDS or ((insert other forum member here)) have all wrong, too -- and that probably gives you plenty to fill up 15 or 20 minutes worth of oratory with too. but what we probably ought to actually be doing is looking in the Bible for Jesus Christ, talking about Jesus Christ, revealing Jesus Christ, magnifying Jesus Christ, lifting Jesus Christ up like a polished bronze serpent on a tall staff. let Him convict the heart and show the feet which way to go -- stop looking in the Bible for sermons, and start looking in it for the Messiah, on every page: listen to what God is telling you in it, because He's not telling you about "you" or "your congregation" in scripture; He's telling you about His salvation; about His Son sent into the earth to redeem and give life to the dead.
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