Behaving (un)correctly and Salvation

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Jesus4ever

Jesus4ever

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Hey, dear brethen!

I´ve been thinking about a subject in specific, because I want to be prepared to answer correctly if someone asks me the following question:

- "If good works won´t get you Heaven and bad ones will surely lead you to hell, what´s the point of having the first ones?".


My answer to this question:
- Only a genuine faith in Jesus Christ and true love in Him will lead us to (thanks to Him) walk and act like He is and tells us to be. That knowing, of course, that we will still sin, inevitably. However, "faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone." Plus, if one claim to be christian and then act opposite to His commandments and teaching, we behave like hypocrites and must verify is we really really christians or not.


However, many times, people with whom I share the Gospel with, point inevitably two views to explain why they don´t believe in God:
- 1) "If God exists why is there so many suffering in the world?"
- 2) "Why are you saved thought faith and not works? That would imply that a righteous atheist that had behaves better than some christians will go to hell, and those christian would still be saved?"

Honestly, I do understand why these people ask this questions, but honestly I´m having a harder time to explain the 2) instead of 1).

What would be your take on explaining to an unbeliever the 2) question?



Blessings!
 
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FreeNChrist

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Jesus4ever said:
Hey, dear brethen!

I´ve been thinking about a subject in specific, because I want to be prepared to answer correctly if someone asks me the following question:

- "If good works won´t get you Heaven and bad ones will surely lead you to hell, what´s the point of having the first ones?".


My answer to this question:
- Only a genuine faith in Jesus Christ and true love in Him will lead us to (thanks to Him) walk and act like He is and tells us to be. That knowing, of course, that we will still sin, inevitably. However, "faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone." Plus, if one claim to be christian and then act opposite to His commandments and teaching, we behave like hypocrites and must verify is we really really christians or not.


However, many times, people with whom I share the Gospel, point inevitably two points to explain why they don´t believe in God:
- 1) "If God exists why is there so many suffering in the world?"
- 2) "Why are you saved thought faith and not works? That would imply that a righteous atheist that had behaves better than some christians will go to hell, and those christian would still be saved?"

Honestly, I do understand why these people ask this questions, but honestly I seem to have a harder time to explain the 2) instead of 1).

What would be your take on explaining to an unbeliever the 2) question?


Blessings!
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"Good" dead people are still dead people.
 
PrynceNY

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Well regardless of how righteous an atheist may be & their good works that doesn't wash their sins away. They still are required to repent for their sins & accept Christ as Lord. If they don't they will have to pay for their own sins and no amount of "good works" can do that. The fall of man is why there's suffering in the world. Notice how they always blame God for the bad things of the world & don't acknowledge him for the good. The scriptures mention their eyes being blinded & hearts harden.
 
posthuman

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Jesus4ever said:
- 2) "Why are you saved thought faith and not works? That would imply that a righteous atheist that had behaves better than some christians will go to hell, and those christian would still be saved?"

Honestly, I do understand why these people ask this questions, but honestly I´m having a harder time to explain the 2) instead of 1).

What would be your take on explaining to an unbeliever the 2) question?
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so that no one may boast, and all glory belongs to God.
because salvation is a redemption, not a reward - a windfall, not a wage - by God's mercy, not by the effort of men.

For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all.
(Romans 11:32)

It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God's mercy.
(Romans 9:16) ​
 
Utah

Utah

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No such thing as a righteous atheist. They don't acknowledge God, thereby calling God a liar and refusing His saving grace in Jesus Christ.
 
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popeye

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Utah said:
No such thing as a righteous atheist. They don't acknowledge God, thereby calling God a liar and refusing His saving grace in Jesus Christ.
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If he does not exist,they literally attack a non existent phantom.

Then claim superior intelligence.
 
Utah

Utah

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popeye said:
If he does not exist,they literally attack a non existent phantom.

Then claim superior intelligence.
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Its astounding, isn't it, brother? You just can't make this stuff up!
 
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jerry2465

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Why do good instead of bad:

because you will know them by their fruits (mat 7:16) and we are commanded to love everyone, even our enemies (mat 5:43-48). You can't do bad deeds and still be showing love to everyone, because someone is being wronged if you think about it. Bad behavior is typically sinful which is contrary to the will of God.

"If God exists why is there so many suffering in the world?"

Because sin is in the world, we live in a broken world, but has that person ever stopped to think about why there is GOOD in the world? God is patient and long suffering, he sends sun and rain (and other blessings) to the righteous and unrighteous alike (mat 5:45). He gave people his all when he sent his son to die, his greatest most valuable thing that he could possibly send, just so everyone even atheists could have life.

"Why are you saved thought faith and not works? That would imply that a righteous atheist that had behaves better than some christians will go to hell, and those christian would still be saved?"

its not only implied, but its solid scripture. Jesus is the "door" he is the only way to the father, so behavior is irrelevant, however a Christian is required to repent and turn to God, so as mentioned above, there is no such thing as a righteous atheist, because righteousness is acquired by the blood of the lamb, Jesus
 
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JesusRules1

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Jesus4ever said:
However, many times, people with whom I share the Gospel with, point inevitably two views to explain why they don´t believe in God:
- 1) "If God exists why is there so many suffering in the world?"
- 2) "Why are you saved thought faith and not works? That would imply that a righteous atheist that had behaves better than some christians will go to hell, and those christian would still be saved?"
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1.There is suffering because we do not get it like the garden of Eden,because of the sin of the world,and people make bad choices,and people do not care about the poor as God wants them to do,but everybody can cry out to God,and nothing is preventing them from doing it,so no matter the problems everybody can turn to God,which is what really matters.

2.God told Israel it is because of their sins,and iniquities,that separate them from Him.God hates sin.God hates sin so much that He laid down His human life to give us salvation,and His Spirit,so we can overcome sin,and act like Christ,for a Spirit led life will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh,and then those that are saved can sin and it does not affect their relationship with God,but the world will be in trouble for it.

That does not make sense.

Rev 3:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
Rev 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
Rev 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Jesus said here that He did not find their works perfect before God,and they had to repent of it.

Paul was speaking from the perspective of the flesh,not saved by works but turn to Christ.

James was speaking from a spiritual perspective,faith without works is dead,justified by works and not faith alone,being led of the Spirit.

If the world will be in trouble for their sins,how much more will a person that claims to be with Christ be in trouble for their sins,which the Bible says if we sin wilfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth,there is no more sacrifice for sins,which if we hold unto a sin that we do not want to get rid of then the blood of Jesus cannot wash it away.
 
Jesus4ever

Jesus4ever

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Something it can be really frustrating to share the Gospel with them. Gladly, many of them end up finding Jesus!
 
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